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<electronic_eel> whitequark: do you plan to populate the lvds connector by default when producing the first Glasgows?
<whitequark> electronic_eel: it's a pain in the ass to populate it yourself
<whitequark> and easy to do in mass production
<electronic_eel> hmm. I just added the courtyards around the mounting holes (https://github.com/electroniceel/Glasgow/tree/mounting-holes)
<electronic_eel> I found that one pad of the lvds connector might conflict
<whitequark> mmmh
<whitequark> shouldn't we just use smaller washers then
<whitequark> if any
<whitequark> it's really designed for posts
<electronic_eel> It is pad 2 of the lvds (3V3)
<electronic_eel> do you see a problem changing 1 and 2, so 1 becomes 3V3 and 2 GND
<whitequark> uh, yes.
<electronic_eel> then they at least don't short out
<whitequark> people have C0 devices already
<electronic_eel> hmm, that is a problem
<whitequark> if it was mechanically incompatible that'd have been fine, i think
<whitequark> but silently swapping two power pads is a big no
<electronic_eel> yes, I understand that
<electronic_eel> then you'd have to use nylon washers, at least for this connector
<whitequark> or just smaller washers.
<electronic_eel> I think this is fine as they put less pressure on the board
<whitequark> or no washers.
<electronic_eel> washers distribute the pressure over a larger area, so I think it makes sense to use some
<electronic_eel> especially if you put standoffs in the holes and screw addon boards into them
<whitequark> the mechanical holding force of the shrouded connectors is immense
<whitequark> most addon boards wouldn't need anything other than that, i think
<whitequark> i do have an addon board like that and it is a serious effort to extract it
<whitequark> actually if you used 4 connectors on revD i'm not sure how you would even unplug it
<whitequark> almost needs a tool
<electronic_eel> I think I'll just leave the lvds connector as it is. But the rest of my changes still makes sense I think.
<whitequark> sure
<_whitenotifier-9> [Glasgow] electroniceel opened pull request #132: Increase mounting holes, add courtyards around mounting holes, move conflicting resistors - https://git.io/fj3Ow
<_whitenotifier-9> [Glasgow] whitequark closed pull request #132: Increase mounting holes, add courtyards around mounting holes, move conflicting resistors - https://git.io/fj3Ow
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] whitequark pushed 3 commits to master [+1/-0/±3] https://git.io/fj3Or
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] electroniceel 956ab14 - create footprint for 3.5mm mounting hole with courtyard
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] electroniceel 4289cd5 - revC1: increase mounting hole size from 3.2mm to 3.5mm, add courtyard space around
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] electroniceel 95e1c26 - revC1: move R5 and R6 out of the mounting hole courtyard
<electronic_eel> thanks for merging. Let's hope marcan didn't begin with the other layout changes and has a lot of conflicts now
<_whitenotifier-9> [Glasgow] Error. The Travis CI build could not complete due to an error - https://travis-ci.org/GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow/builds/522999981?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
<_whitenotifier-9> [Glasgow] electroniceel commented on issue #130: Change regulator from MIC5355-S4YMME - https://git.io/fj3OP
<whitequark> yeah i'm pretty sure we should just use smaller washers
<whitequark> there's no fixed M3 washer size anyway
<electronic_eel> the regular ones are iso 7090
<electronic_eel> or DIN 125 B
<whitequark> yeah, there's a standard size
<whitequark> but in practice you can get them in a lot of different sizes
<electronic_eel> yes, you can of course get different ones
<whitequark> we may want to add a comment on the layout suggesting this
<electronic_eel> hmm, don't know if anyone is looking there for this kind of information
<electronic_eel> maybe better in the regular documentation, though it is a bit sparse for now
<whitequark> either schematic or layout...
<whitequark> and probably some other section that indicates where to look. or duplicates that. but duplicated info is hard to keep in sync
<electronic_eel> yeah, then layout
<electronic_eel> you go looking there when you do mech cad and want the exact positions of the screw holes and so on
<whitequark> yep
<electronic_eel> when thinking about the text to put in the layout, I don't think we should specify a specific washer size, but just warn of possible conflicts with the lvds connector
<whitequark> we could specify the maximum washer size that doesn't conflict
<electronic_eel> but if you properly calculate that it depends on the outer diameter of thread of the screw
<whitequark> sure
<whitequark> M3
<electronic_eel> and the diameter of the inner hole of the washer...
<electronic_eel> self tapping screws have different thread sizes, 2.9mm is common for example
<electronic_eel> and someone in the us might want to use their unc/unf stuff
<whitequark> hrm
<electronic_eel> whitequark: how about this: https://postimg.cc/jw61xwFs
<whitequark> works
<electronic_eel> ok, will make a push req
<_whitenotifier-9> [Glasgow] electroniceel opened pull request #133: revC1: add caution text about screw & washer conflicts to drawings layer - https://git.io/fj33g
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<_whitenotifier-9> [Glasgow] whitequark closed pull request #133: revC1: add caution text about screw & washer conflicts to drawings layer - https://git.io/fj33g
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] whitequark pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fj33w
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] electroniceel 42d4637 - revC1: add caution text about screw & washer conflicts to drawings layer
<marcan> electronic_eel: I did not, no merge issues :)
<marcan> going to look into it shortly, after a bit of food
<marcan> and yeah the LVDS connector was always kind of baaarely shoved in there
<marcan> should've thought of something before C0, but too late now
<marcan> but most people can just use no washers tbh
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<electronic_eel> marcan: the space for the lvds connector is really tight there
<electronic_eel> one solution I could think of is to reduce the pin count, like to 42
<electronic_eel> but although 42 is always the answer, I don't know if they make connectors this size
<marcan> yeah, the only problem now is that as wq said, C0 is already out there
<marcan> tbh, I think the current screw clearance is just about okay
<marcan> there isn't a terribly good reason to use washers wider than the plating on the holes in C0
<marcan> or even to use washers at all
<whitequark> yeah
<marcan> I think we can file this under "nice to have, do it right for revD, do our best for revC"
<electronic_eel> yes
<electronic_eel> just be careful when placing the vio leds
<marcan> yeah, the courtyard you added is going to be great for that
<marcan> if I can't fit them in they might go on the inner edge
<marcan> but they're probably OK in the inner corner
<electronic_eel> yes, inner corner is fine by me - I just feared they don't pass your aesthetics test there ;)
<marcan> as long as they're symmetric that's fine :-)
<marcan> dealing with the silkscreen is going to be a PITA though
<marcan> but I'll work something out
<electronic_eel> yes, the silkscreen. But I have confidence in you
<marcan> something something move the RN6 label to the left of the network, do something about C83 from the other side, stuff those 3 refids where RN6 was
<marcan> maybe
<electronic_eel> damn, looks like I saw a bug in my changes: the silkscreen label for the mounting holes are visible
<electronic_eel> I thought I had them disabled
<electronic_eel> the MK4 label conflicts with C30
<marcan> I'll fix that up, np
<electronic_eel> thx
<electronic_eel> ahh, I was looking at the wrong branch
<electronic_eel> the one that was checked in is correct
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] marcan pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fj3nX
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] marcan 66ed85e - revC1: relocate VSENSE divider silkscreen away from screws
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] marcan pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fj3nD
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] marcan 455da15 - revC1: relocate VSENSE divider silkscreen away from screws
<marcan> whitequark: what color for the port power LEDs?
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<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] marcan pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fj3nA
<_whitenotifier-9> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] marcan 2dff08f - revC1: fix fab layers
<marcan> whitequark: going to sleep, should be able to wrap this up tomorrow evening
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