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<_whitenotifier> [Glasgow] whitequark closed pull request #154: glasgow.applet: use has_required_tools. - https://git.io/fjxAD
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<_whitenotifier> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] emilazy 2ab1831 - glasgow.applet: use has_required_tools.
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<_whitenotifier> [libfx2] whitequark created branch travis-synth - https://git.io/fjAQS
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<whitequark> er
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<whitequark> what the hell did i just do
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<jer__> hi everyone
<jer__> is now a good time to get into building one of the C1 rev boards?
<jer__> or is there a new version in the pipeline?
<jer__> Also the cost of the FX2 makes me sad :(
<electronic_eel> jer__: I'd consider it a good time to build revC1 now. revC1 is stable and we didn't find any problems with it yet
<electronic_eel> revD development hasn't started, so it might be ready in a year or more
<tnt> even the C0 was pretty good and could be reworked to fix the small issues it had. So building a C1 should be pretty safe.
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<marcan> electronic_eel: revD should be "easy" to build in the sense that it's just revC1 with a different FPGA package, copypasta of parts, and one or two extra bits to make it work
<marcan> so hopefully it won't take a year
<marcan> tnt: not all of them (the PLL thing)
<marcan> (revC0 has some restrictions on PLL usage that revC1 lifts)
<marcan> (also the SYNC thing)
<electronic_eel> marcan: but we want a proper addon-interface for revD and come up with a i2c bus isolator solution for that
<marcan> yes, that's basically the only new thing for revD
<marcan> i2c shenanigans
<tnt> Where are the ECNs ? I can't find them anymore ...
<tnt> nm, found them ... I thought there were in the repo itself as markdown.
<electronic_eel> I'd also wait with revD layout until the production run of revC1 from esden is delivered and people had a bit of time to play with it, so any issues or improvement ideas from them could be incorporated into revD
<tnt> I'm a bit confused as to what the PLL thing really is ... it seems to only restrict some very specific cases.
<tnt> I mean, you have to want to use both PLLs both with clock inputs other than CLKREF, but you still want to use CLKREF for something else.
<tnt> The fact you can't use both PLL outputs because CLKIF uses that IO site seems like a bigger limitation ...
<jer__> esden: if you need a beta tester, ;)
<jer__> happy to pay
<electronic_eel> jer__: getting cold feet after you saw the tiny footprints? ;)
<jer__> well to be honest
<jer__> im mostly concerned about the BGA
<jer__> I normally use high bismuth solder for my prototypes
<JJJollyjim> ^
<jer__> so all of my gear is set for much lower temperatures
<jer__> but with the BGA the balls are provided, so I don't get to choose the alloy :(
<jer__> i really need to finish building my vapour phase oven i guess
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<whitequark> 11:10 < tnt> I mean, you have to want to use both PLLs both with clock inputs other than CLKREF, but you still want to use CLKREF for something else.
<whitequark> 11:11 < tnt> The fact you can't use both PLL outputs because CLKIF uses that IO site seems like a bigger limitation ...
<whitequark> this is related
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<whitequark> in theory you can flip the direction of CLKIF so that you use both PLL outputs
<whitequark> then you'd use the other CLKREF input and route it to CLKIF as output through fabric
<whitequark> and use both PLLs unrestricted
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<tnt> "in theory" ... because that changes all the IO timings, so I'm curious to see if anyone would actually do that.
<whitequark> tnt: well, hardware is forever
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<_whitenotifier> [Glasgow] electroniceel opened pull request #155: applet.internal.benchmark: add latency benchmark - https://git.io/fjpT2
<_whitenotifier> [Glasgow] whitequark closed pull request #155: applet.internal.benchmark: add latency benchmark - https://git.io/fjpT2
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<_whitenotifier> [GlasgowEmbedded/Glasgow] electroniceel 21641a1 - applet.internal.benchmark: add latency benchmark
<_whitenotifier> [Glasgow] whitequark commented on pull request #155: applet.internal.benchmark: add latency benchmark - https://git.io/fjpTr
<gruetzkopf> aaah, wq twitter mentions always lead to followers...
<whitequark> is that bad
<gruetzkopf> nah. they'll spawn anyways
<gruetzkopf> (some of those people apparently also understand bad german ISDN jokes)
* hellsenberg just remembered they were meant to upload a few things
<ar> whitequark: because of that thread i now got hit with nostalgia. thanks
<ar> those were fun times.
<whitequark> which thread
<whitequark> remember i have the attention span of a cat
<ar> whitequark: oh. the two sub-threads - one ending with me writing very bad C; one with devs at the same company making questionable, but somewhat understandable, design decisions about storing raw java objects, without any serialization, in database
<whitequark> oh, i never made the connection
<whitequark> between usernames