<swedneck[m]1>
as for matrix room: this room is just the automatically created IRC bridge, and there doesn't really seem to be anyone with admin privileges if i understand correctly
<pierce>
just scanned the article, but are they going to allow things like pinning, like infura, or just an alternative to the main ipfs gateway?
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<pierce>
swedneck: has it been like that for a while? I'm connecting via riot through the freenode bridge. Would be funny if there was a matrix room the whole time.
<swedneck[m]1>
i doubt they'd open themselves up to the legal shitstorm of allowing public pinning
<swedneck[m]1>
yeah that's the point, there is no proper room, only the freenode bridge
<voker57>
they just run a gateway with few custom things on it
<r0kk3rz>
their gateway verifier thing seems cooll
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<jfred[m]>
oh wow just saw the cloudflare gateway, that's awesome
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<bitpushr>
yeah that introduced me to ipfs
<bitpushr>
I have a question, is there a way to get the number nodes that has pinned a hash?
<r0kk3rz>
not exhaustively
<r0kk3rz>
but you can find nodes that have the hash
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<bitpushr>
is that the same as findproviders?
<r0kk3rz>
yes
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<kpcyrd>
congrats to the cloudflare gateway!
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<bitpushr>
basically once findproviders goes down to 0, the file is no longer on the network
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<r0kk3rz>
its distributed, so don't think of things in those terms
<r0kk3rz>
simply, you cant find any nodes with what you want
<r0kk3rz>
not that they dont exist
<bitpushr>
Sure
<bitpushr>
in my potential use case, we currently host a large file download server. We have community involvement and can solicit people to 'pin' a file to keep it around a long time.
<bitpushr>
I'm just curious if there is a way to see how many people have pinned that file before.
<bitpushr>
Maybe we will pin it for 2 years, something like that.
<r0kk3rz>
not pinned, merely that they currently have it
<bitpushr>
how long does it stay active on a node?
<r0kk3rz>
depends
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<voker57>
until gc runs and randomly decides that it needs to be cleaned
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<lgierth>
wow the cloudflare news are amazing
<lgierth>
we knew something was coming but the amount of awesomeness is shocking :)
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<lidel>
:D
<emunand>
lidel: cloudfflare news?
<emunand>
oh, just saw it
<emunand>
amazing
<jcgruenhage>
I hate it
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<jcgruenhage>
It takes a decentralized thing and says "Let's transfer it through the service that already offers ~~MITM-as-a-Service~~ DDoS Protection for way too many services!"
<swedneck[m]1>
i wouldn't be surprised if they're planning to replace their CDN's with IPFS nodes
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<lgierth>
gateways are an important step of the upgrade path to a decentralized web
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<lgierth>
view cloudflare's gateway as a public vote of confidence on the whole effort
<lgierth>
it puts more momentum behind it
<swedneck[m]1>
ah there you are lgierth, did you see my message about the matrix room?
<lgierth>
which teams at firefox and chrome can use to argue for more priority of implementation in browsers
<lgierth>
swedneck[m]1: yeah i'm gonna try and get admin today
<swedneck[m]1>
nice!
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<r0kk3rz>
lgierth: alternatively im squatting #IPFS:matrix.org
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<swedneck[m]1>
i'd be surprised if the matrix admin's wouldn't move that alias to the right room anyways
<r0kk3rz>
well right now #ipfs:matrix.org is aliased to the freenode bridge
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<lgierth>
r0kk3rz: how are you squatting #IPFS? are rooms in matrix case-insensitive?
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<r0kk3rz>
apparently so
<r0kk3rz>
case-sensitive i mean
<r0kk3rz>
its public, theres only a couple of people in there
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<jamiew>
jcgruenhage: what's the difference between Cloudflare's gateway and Protocol Labs' gateway?
<r0kk3rz>
i bet cloudflare has a lot more infra
<lgierth>
and automatic tls certs
<lgierth>
apart from that is nothing to centralize ipfs content
<lgierth>
it's just another brick in the upgrade path, and adds to the existing momentum
<lgierth>
*apart from that it does
<fiatjaf>
what is this "Connecting Your Website" stuff from cloudflare?
<r0kk3rz>
and another cache to prime for superseeding :)
<fiatjaf>
I'm already serving my site with IPFS and dnslinking to ipfs.io (using cloudflare for the domain management)
<jcgruenhage>
fiatja: you point a cname at their gateway, set up a dns link, click a button on their website and it will now be served with a valid ssl cert
<jcgruenhage>
So the people between you and cloudflare can't mitm the connection
<lgierth>
what's also really interesting is that they built a stackexchange archive on ipfs, with search
<lgierth>
"how does X work on ipfs?" always boils down to data structures
<r0kk3rz>
yeah... we need more abstraction layers
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<kpcyrd>
ipfs-as-a-nosql-database might be interesting. So you build your application like you're used to do it with mongodb and eventually you can decide to just open up your data set and seed it into ipfs.
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<fiatjaf>
kpcyrd, that would also solve database syncing to clients. instead writing the entire syncing protocol or using stuff like pouchdb you could just allow clients to agree on the hash (or accept it from some authoritative server) and download that
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<r0kk3rz>
its certainly possible, but your database engine really needs to be ipfs aware
<r0kk3rz>
taking mongodb and sticking the database file on ipfs isnt going to cut it