stebalien changed the topic of #ipfs to: Heads Up: To talk, you need to register your nick! Announcements: go-ipfs 0.5.1 and js-ipfs 0.43.1 are out! Get them from dist.ipfs.io and npm respectively! | Also: #libp2p #ipfs-cluster #filecoin #ipfs-dev | IPFS: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | Logs: https://view.matrix.org/room/!yhqiEdqNjyPbxtUjzm:matrix.org/ | Forums: https://discuss.ipfs.io | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0
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<Daniel0011[m]> Go is awesome
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<mrus> trying to make a site available on ipfs but I can't seem to be able to retrieve it through https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipns/<domain>. Does anyone know how I could debug this issue?
<mrus> TCP port 4001 is open, TXT on the domain was set, site has been up and running (incl. ipfs daemon) for ~2 days now, still not available
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<ipfsbot> @system posted in js-ipfs 0.44.0 released - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/js-ipfs-0-44-0-released/8041/1
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<swedneck1> mrus: it'll be easier to help if you tell us the domain
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<mrus> swedneck1: didn't want to make it look like advertising, heh :) that's the actual url http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipns/xn--gckvb8fzb.com
<swedneck1> ah, i would bet my butt that's the punycode causing issues
<swedneck1> try moving the txt record to _dnslink.マリウス.com
<swedneck1> that could also be the problem
<mrus> ah, I remember I saw a couple of resources online that used _dnslink.. I wondered why, because afaik the documentation doesn't tell.. at least I couldn't find an explanation
<swedneck1> oh never mind
<swedneck1> it does work
<mrus> it does?
<mrus> here it times out
<swedneck1> try again
<mrus> I am.. waiting waiting waiting... timeout.
<mrus> browser keeps loading
<swedneck1> on ipfs.io?
<mrus> on ipfs and your gateway.. both time out
<mrus> hm... is it possible that ISPs block IPFS?
<swedneck1> highly doubtful
<swedneck1> also im gonna go smack my server so it starts working again..
<mrus> super weird... I can't get it to load in the browser but I tried it from the CLI now and it resolves as 3xx
<swedneck1> there we go
<mrus> but, nice, thanks for checking, so it looks like it's working and it's just some browser issue here
<swedneck1> 3xx?
<mrus> 302 Found
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<mrus> because I didn't add the / at the end
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<mrus> nevertheless even from the CLI the requests takes 60.77s to complete and return the 302 (not following the redirect)
<swedneck1> what exactly are you running in the terminal?
<mrus> curl
<swedneck1> the full command?
<swedneck1> it takes me about a minute to resolve the ipns
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<mrus> this takes over a minute
<mrus> tried it multiple times now because I thought maybe it's just the first call that takes longer
<swedneck1> huh, it's instant for me
<swedneck1> kind of sounds like you just have general internet problems
<mrus> could be, I'm stuck on an island in the north atlantic ocean and I'm using a 4G connection
<mrus> will test it from an ssh server somewhere else
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<mrus> so, on a digitalocean droplet running in the NY region it's the same
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<swedneck1> try pinging things just to be sure
<mrus> works fine, 1. something ms latency
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<mrus> 0.04s for curl google.com
<swedneck1> no clue then
<mrus> pinging your gateway has 109ms latency
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<mrus[m]> didn't know this was a matrix channel btw :)
<swedneck1> heh
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<danilom> hi, im glad to see a lot of people here, still using IRC. I have a noob question: is it possible to have a static never change CID for a single text file shared, but have the possibility to modify the text file, and cid no change? thanks
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<swedneck1> i think most people here are actually on matrix or discord lol
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<danilom> i see
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<danilom> But in official site, first option is IRC
<swedneck1> the platforms are all bridged
<swedneck1> this message was sent from a matrix client
<danilom> you mean riot?
<ChrisLane> Anyone know what the thinking is behind having two different systemd socket units for ipfs-go? Seems to me that you'd only be able to use one or the other
<swedneck1> riot is one of many matrix clients
<tilapiabtc[m]> ok i see same thing here in riot or IRC
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<JakeHemmerle[m]> Does anyone know if there’s a github-like program to manage git repos hosted on IPFS? Specifically for handling stuff like PRs
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<hsn> yes
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<revolunetDiscor4> > hi, im glad to see a lot of people here, still using IRC. I have a noob question\: is it possible to have a static never change CID for a single text file shared, but have the possibility to modify the text file, and cid no change? thanks
<revolunetDiscor4> Danilom#0000 you should check IPNS https://docs.ipfs.io/guides/concepts/ipns/
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<danilom> thanks revolunetDiscor4
<RubenKelevra[m]> mrus: so your page loads, but the other resources doesn't is there a reason why you don't just use relative paths from the root of the URL instead of a cdn domain?
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<mrus> RubenKelevra[m]: that's a bug right now. The published page should actually have gateway.ipfs.io as site-root, but it seems like either my deployment is broken or the dns doesn't IPFS doesn't show the latest version available.
<mrus> RubenKelevra[m]: haven't figured out how to make Hugo build relative paths automagically, hence the gateway.ipfs.io trick is the best I could come up with so far
<RubenKelevra[m]> mrus: do you use pubsub?
<RubenKelevra[m]> a well, ignore that question, you use an /ipfs/ path, not IPNS
<mrus> RubenKelevra[m]: actually I use IPNS :/
<mrus> my site generator's config right now says `baseURL: "https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipns/xn--gckvb8fzb.com"`
<mrus> and nope, not using pubsub.. should I?
<RubenKelevra[m]> definitely.
<RubenKelevra[m]> mrus: start the daemon with `--enable-pubsub-experiment --enable-namesys-pubsub`
<mrus> nice
<mrus> > In the near future, IPNS records will be pushed over pubsub, allowing lightning fast updates of peers’ IPNS entries
<mrus> I see..
<mrus> thanks for the hint!
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<hyperfekt> Does anyone know if IPFS / IPLD has any solution for block metadata? Licenses like GPL require products of a work to carry a reference to the license. Otherwise anyone sending a block that doesn't already contain a license (like part of a binary, or a file from a repository where the license is specified only in the root) would be in violation of such licenses.
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<hyperfekt> Maybe I misunderstand the GPL and this is not an issue.
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<hyperfekt> I see IPFS objects have links, are they used for this purpose?
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<Acacia> an IPFS address can be a folder with files and other folders inside
<Acacia> but what you describe is also possible outside of IPFS
<Acacia> I'm not a lawyer but I don't think it matters
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<Acacia> hey here's something I thought up, can an /ipfs/ address contain /ipns/ addresses? Let's say I have a folder with the address /ipfs/QmSomething. Can it point to a file with the address /ipns/QmSomething? This could be useful for instance to have a mutable fileshare that other people can commit to with their own mutable area.
<RubenKelevra[m]> hyperfekt: normally you won't share a block or an object, but a folder, which can carry for example a filename. Those folders can just contain a LICENSE file, like git does.
<RubenKelevra[m]> You won't add a link in git to a license, just because each file of the project is under this license
<RubenKelevra[m]> Acacia: no it cannot
<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: but there is nothing preventing anyone from sharing a CID to an object that does not include a license, and it might just happen that i serve just that part to someone, no?
<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: git has the difference that in general you can only request an entire tree i think, unless explicitly enabled in the server config
<RubenKelevra[m]> sure, but you could do the same with a HTTP-Server, just point the URL to an image of a website and you would avoid that the other side will get the license information shown on the website itself.
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<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: HTTP servers will usually allow you to view a greater scope though, so you can discover the license on your own. There is no way to do that from just a CID.
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<RubenKelevra[m]> you mean like http://cdn.cloudflare/295298/238025802.jpg lets me explore the website example.org where the image is included?
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<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: That's why I said usually. I would like to think those are not in violation but I would really like something more to go on than 'someone is doing it so I guess it must be fine'.
<RubenKelevra[m]> It's not really usual to have everything below one domain anymore. For example, which license has this URL?
<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: I cannot know. But it is probably not under one that requires me to receive it.
<swedneck1> fwiw images can have license metadata
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<swedneck1> when i export my photos in darktable i add a CC BY-SA license to them
<RubenKelevra[m]> hyperfekt: so where's the difference between this one and https://bafybeidkctkynepz7jgzqbiogxkaz43msz7pwlxotrct5zptm26pthrg6e.ipfs.dweb.link ?
<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: It is worrying to me that the GPLv3 specifically spells out that peer-to-peer propagation is exempt from acceptance, but only if it is solely a consequence of receiving it via peer-to-peer transmission. Which cannot be said for all users of IPFS.
<swedneck1> and of course a plaintext file can just have the license as a header
<RubenKelevra[m]> I think that's worth a discussion on the GPL side...
<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: I am not arguing that an of those are in violation, I am saying that I don't know that they're not and I would like to have more than a vague guess in one direction or the other.
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<RubenKelevra[m]> Clicking on the dweb.link above with the browser plugin do copy the file to the local harddrive and shares the file on a p2p network, without consent by the author of the file. Is that an issue, with the license? :)
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<hyperfekt> I feel like this question should already be answered somewhere (as you well pointed out, at the example of CDNs), but I do not know where.
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<swedneck1> the regular GPL doesn't apply to things served over a network
<swedneck1> this is precisely why the AGPL exists
<hyperfekt> swedneck1: it very much applies to things propagated over a network, though.
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<swedneck1> sure, if you download them and run the software
<hyperfekt> i think the difference with CDNs is that they can assume that in whoever's service they serve these files is capable of granting them a license to do so and has done so
<swedneck1> but not something that runs solely in the browser
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<swedneck1> gah, s/browser/server
<hyperfekt> i think that's where we're getting to the meat of the issue: what can constitute copyright infringement? because ultimately, that's what the GPL defines propagation as. and in very many countries seeding torrents very much does.
<RubenKelevra[m]> The GPL just requires you to share the license if you offer it to other people. So when you share a link, you're required to share that the file is under GPL and not your own work. But as long as computers talk to eachother, I don't think an license can be applied.
<swedneck1> if some software only runs on a server which you communicate with, the GPL does not apply
<swedneck1> presumably it does apply basically everywhere else
<hyperfekt> I am not talking about network interaction with GPLed software. I am talking about receiving parts of (products of) GPLed works.
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<RubenKelevra[m]> hyperfekt: as I said, the person behind the action of the download or sharing need to share the information about the license. A computer cannot violate a license on it's own. The owner of the computer does.
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<hyperfekt> RubenKelevra[m]: Do you have any source for that?
<RubenKelevra[m]> The person downloading, also doesn't violates the GPL
<RubenKelevra[m]> That's my interpretation of the GPL license
<RubenKelevra[m]> You need to share the license when you share the creative content.
<swedneck1> actually why don't you just email the FSF?
<swedneck1> they're pretty responsive
<RubenKelevra[m]> that's a create idea :)
<hyperfekt> swedneck1: Actually that might be the best way to clarify this, rather than each of us interpreting the GPL on our own and disagreeing a whole lot^^
<hyperfekt> swedneck1: Thanks for the suggestion, I didn't kniw of them being responsive.
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<swedneck1> well, don't hold me accountable to them being responsive, but they seem to be
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<mrus[m]> I'm really starting to think that IPFS gets blocked by ISPs... 🤔
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<aschmahmann[m]> mrus: have you tried doing an `ipfs name resolve` on that address?
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<mrus[m]> aschmahmann:
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<aschmahmann[m]> It takes me quite a while (51 seconds) to resolve that locally, I wonder if something else is going on.
<mrus[m]> same here as you can see.. little over one minute..
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<aschmahmann[m]> ya, DNSLink is generally pretty fast so I'm not sure what's going on. However, given the slow resolution speed I'm not necessarily surprised the gateway is having trouble resolving it
<mrus[m]> i believe those two have different reasons 🤔 the gateway issue really seems to be related to Vodafone using some network security (allot.com) which seems to be blocking the domain/ip or something.
<aschmahmann[m]> It seems to resolve on the gateway now that it's cached though
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