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<mack-> martian67: using master or beta3 and nvidia? I notice a driver update Jan 3.
<martian67> mack-, can you tell me if libreelec uses nouveau
<martian67> or nvidia propeitary
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<chewitt> martian67: add "ssh" to boot params and you force the SSH daemon to start
<martian67> ty
<chewitt> there should also be a local console on CTRL+ALT+F3
<martian67> yeah i checked for that
<martian67> didnt seem to be present
<martian67> do you happen to know which nvidia driver libreelec uses chewitt ?
<chewitt> we embed the nvidia 340.xx and 410.xx drivers
<martian67> is there any way to use nouveau?
<chewitt> with the appropriate driver chosen using PCI ID's
<martian67> my nvidia card is older than that needs the 304.xx drivers, or nouveau
<chewitt> nouveau can be done, but requires a self-build image and due to the lack of reclocking in the driver it almost certainly runs bad
<martian67> it has reclocking for 7xxx gpus
<chewitt> ahh.. how old is old?
<martian67> old.
<chewitt> so the challenge is that 304.xx doesn't support the newer versions of Xorg/mesa that we use
<martian67> yes, thats why i asked about nouveau
<chewitt> I forget which ABI breaks compatibility
<chewitt> until about 6-months ago it's fairly trivial to just change the version of the fallback 'legacy' driver in our build-system to 304.xx and create a working image
<chewitt> but since nvidia stopped maintaining 304.xx you need to revert other components to other versions
<martian67> yes hence id rather just use nouveau...
<martian67> because that sounds about as fun as hitting my face with a hammer a few dozen times
<chewitt> last time I attempted to use nouveau, performance with a GeForce 7300 was spotty at best
<chewitt> and that was a while ago
<chewitt> (that's the GPU in an old mk1 AppleTV)
<chewitt> https://github.com/LibreELEC/LibreELEC.tv/pull/3152 could be worth looking at
<martian67> hw accelerated video dosent even matter because 7xxx only supports mpeg2 anyways
<chewitt> as a rule .. whatever hardware you have that uses an old chip like that .. a Raspberry Pi will do a considerably better job
<martian67> cool, i dont want to run it on a raspberry pi...
<martian67> lets dispense with the "you're holding it wrong" itis
<chewitt> what is the hardware?
<martian67> i realize there are better options
<martian67> 7600 gts
<martian67> gs?
<martian67> some shit like that catnt check right this instant
<chewitt> no, what's the overall hardware. Old PC box, thin client?
<martian67> old laptop
<martian67> its fast enough to do 1080p with a software decode
<martian67> so idc about video decoding accel really
<chewitt> ^ this gives you K17
<martian67> interesting, thank you
<martian67> i dont really care too much about running newest kodi
<martian67> seems that they dont add many new features just make it laggier and laggier tbh
<martian67> thats a very helpful link
<chewitt> I'd disagree with that statement
<martian67> well features i care about i guess
<chewitt> there are a huge number of performance improvements in K18
<chewitt> but unsupported hardware is unsupported hardware
<martian67> i realize that
<chewitt> LE has never (ever) focussed on supporting old hardware
<martian67> i also understand its not libreelecs fault in any way
<chewitt> in fact quite the opposite
<chewitt> people confuse "lightweight" for "should be good on old recycled stuff" and that's far from the truth
<chewitt> ^ that's the total change required in the 8.2 branch
<chewitt> for 9.0/master you also need to revert to an earlier Xorg .. which might have other dependencies
<martian67> yeah that sounds quite ugly
<chewitt> If you're not fussed about K18 .. still to K17 and that img
<chewitt> s/still/stick
<chewitt> and (seriously) a Raspberry Pi + USB drive beats any old laptop + internal drive combo in a gunfight
<martian67> how is the rpi able to do HD playback anyways
<martian67> i thought the GPU in it was all propreitary junk
<chewitt> it has native hw decode
<martian67> that nobody got working for anything except mpeg2
<martian67> for h.264?
<chewitt> RPi hardware natively supports H.264
<chewitt> older variants needed a cheap license key for MPEG2
<chewitt> newer variants are fast enough to s/w decode without the license, but it still helps for setups that use MPEG2 for PVR features
<chewitt> newer variants are capable of sw decoding most HEVC content too
<chewitt> not high bitrate BR rips, but the stuff that's streamed
<martian67> interesting
<martian67> would have guessed the CPU was far too wimpy for that
<chewitt> there's some clever use of hardware resources on the board to make HEVC happen
<chewitt> because it has no native hw capabilities for that
<chewitt> but people running Kodi sells lots of RPi boards which puts $£€ in the pi foundation bank accounts and helps their educational mission
<chewitt> so their staff are very attentive to good Kodi performance
<chewitt> it's not the fastest or best-spec device, but that's never been a goal
<mack-> feedback loop. since Pi staff are attentive to kodi, the pi is well-supported by kodi/LE/etc software projects.
<mack-> since pi is well-supported, people buy them, so staff are attentive.
<chewitt> Yup
<chewitt> live stats update .. 76.9% of our userbase has an RPi
<chewitt> and it's consistently around those kinds of numbers
<mack-> and that much or more percentage of the support chatter on the forum/irc/etc are from Chinese boxes?
<chewitt> they cause a disproportionate level of support traffic
<chewitt> but that's the consequence of using old kernels with old drivers
<chewitt> and user self-inflicted wounds from installing to internal storage
<chewitt> but there's a plan for that, which is slowly progressing
<martian67> well rpi is one of the only actual long term _usable_ linux arm devices
<martian67> practically everything else has closed source drives that one day will stop being updated
<martian67> and then you are stuck, forever
<martian67> that plays no small part in its popularity imo
<martian67> it megasucks that arm in general is such a wasteland like that
<martian67> too many people happy with an absolutely pathetic status quoa
<chewitt> there's been a lot of movement in that direction in the last year
<martian67> i mean imagine if x86 was like that
<martian67> chewitt, yeah ive seen some movement on the allwinner/sunxi front
<martian67> mostly no thanks to allwinner...
<chewitt> x86 isn't a beacon of brilliance either
<martian67> its not, but at least you can reliably boot a generic distro *and* update it
<chewitt> it usually takes Intel several kernel iterations to support a GPU on their latest hardware
<martian67> thats a rare thing indeed in ARM land
<chewitt> and nvidia fail to follow common standards (which is why we will drop support)
<martian67> yeah nvidia and wifi vendors are really the only thing left in x86 land that is a pile of closed crap
<martian67> but at least nvidia supports their chips for a long time
<chewitt> right now we have allwinner, amd, amlogic, broadcom (rpi), intel, rockchip and samsung based SoC/GPU's working from a common codebase
<chewitt> ^ forgot NXP (iMX)
<chewitt> nvidia is a notable ommission (due to not following the same standards adopted by everyone else)
<martian67> does rockchip have open drivers
<chewitt> last years answer is 'no' .. this years is 'yes'
<chewitt> "lima" supports Mali utgard chips well now
<martian67> can you link me anything
<martian67> interested to read
<martian67> i know rockchip has some appealing SoCs
<chewitt> "panfrost" is not as mature (lots of bugs right now) but supports Mali midgard chips
<chewitt> Google "phoronix lima" and "phoronix panfrost"
<chewitt> boot is still the achilles heel for ARM boards; particularly cheap Android boxes with older u-boot and inferior hardware choices from cheap manufacturers
<chewitt> but things improve once you stop using legacy kernels
<chewitt> particularly on "board" devices where we can run mainline u-boot too
<martian67> yeah i know device tree has improved stuff a lot
<martian67> kind of amusing how much of a mess arm is in general to support
<martian67> its theoretically possible to have two arm cpus that share *no* instructions whatsoever
<martian67> haha
<martian67> where do i get wifi firmware files for libreelec
<martian67> are they packaged specially?
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<chewitt> martian67: they're embedded in the image (along with everything else)
<chewitt> but you can add to /storage/.config/firmware/ and reboot to overlay files to /usr/lib/firmware/ if something is missing
<martian67> thanks, got it figured
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<MaDMaLKaV> heh, saw a screenshot of the About android window for the device I was talking about yesterday, definitively a q201 2gb gigabit dtb should work
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<deadrom> hi
<deadrom> netflix on kazak build for s905w - possible?
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<butterfly> hi folks
<butterfly> update on wetek play from 8.95.002 to 3 still doesn't work, on reboot it says "no system or kernel in image"
<butterfly> any idea?
<butterfly> I don't want to redo my work around... install stable first and then update directly to the new beta
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<kantlivelong> ah so i wasnt crazy, my RK3328 boot panics werent just me
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