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<bfree> trying 3.10 I've hung at "Starting kernel ..." and is making me wonder if I need a newer u-boot (or sunxi-tools) then I have at (which were current as of 15th March) ... can anyone hit me with a cluestick?
<bfree> and yes, I was planning to build newer 3.4/u-boot/sunxi-tools packages once I had 3.10 (+emac) alive :-/
<Turl> bfree: how are you booting?
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<Turl> (ie, what commands does uboot run?)
<bfree> Turl: (and yes, I was off reading wondering about that also)
<bfree> for 02:40 local time I've already got far too many ideas running around my head about how that could be wrong or done differently ;)
<Turl> let me see
<Turl> bfree: is the dtb actually named 'dtb' ?
<bfree> yes dtb is sun4i-a10-cubieboard.dtb
<Turl> but is it named 'dtb' ?
<bfree> the long name being too much for fat
<bfree> (or well I still have the habit of just renaming to short names on fat), so yes, it is named dtb
<Turl> bfree: try putting 'earlyprintk' into the args, but that requires building with debug_ll on and sun4i selected on the uart choice
<Turl> given that you're doing a debian kernel it's most likely off
<Turl> bfree: did you enable the sunxi uart driver? (8250_DW)
<bfree> no ... so the question is did whoever put the sunxi support into debian do it ... checking now
<bfree> CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DW=y
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<bfree> Turl: a kernel rebuild to get into the earlyprintk can wait until tomorrow at this hour ;) was hoping someone would say: "you need a newer uboot" or "boot.cmd needs X for dtb", with or without "you idiot" appended. I should probably just come back fresh tomorrow, but thanks for looking!
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<Turl> bfree: one of the uboots had an issue with overwriting random memory
<Turl> I don't recall at which address though
<Turl> a newer uboot (like sunxi-current one) can't hurt I guess
<bfree> the addresses there are what I was using with script.bin (i.e. I'm loading dtb where I was loading script.bin, with locations for kernel and initrd unchanged)
<Turl> bfree: do you know what load addr was using when building the uImage?
<Turl> was used*
<bfree> sure, mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x40008000 -e 0x40008000 etc
<Turl> looks fine
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<hno> Turl, most versions except sunxi-urrent overwrites 0x50000000 + some when accessing MMC.
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<oliv3r> Turl: ERROR: Failure processing PNG image frameworks/base/core/res/res/drawable-xhdpi/textfield_multiline_focused_holo_light.9.png
<oliv3r> ERROR: Failure processing PNG image frameworks/base/core/res/res/drawable-mdpi/btn_toggle_on_normal_holo_light.9.png Found at pixel #9 along bottom edge.
<Turl> oliv3r: o.O is your filesystem corrupting random stuff?
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<Turl> cortex A12, interesting
<Turl> video decoder blocks from ARM too
* ssvb_ would prefer a fully reverse engineered cedarx over this thing :)
* ssvb_ has no interest in pirating videos (netflix is good enough)
<Turl> ssvb_: how is it 'anti piracy'?
<Turl> it won't accelerate nonDRM'ed video? :P
<ssvb_> I don't know, but I guess they are going to be hostile to open source and would do everything to make sure that nobody knows any details about this piece of hardware
<ssvb_> DRM and free software just does not mix
<Turl> fair point
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<ssvb_> and about the netflix part, I have playstation3 which handles gaming and movie playback, that's a gadget dedicated for this purpose
<ssvb_> I don't approve native closed source games in linux (humble bundle stuff) or any other closed source blobs on my computer
<ssvb_> having a dedicated computer for general purpose stuff and a dedicated gadget for gaming/movies solves the problem :)
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<slapin_n1> why do everybody wantd to boot from fat is beyond my understanding
<slapin_n1> *wants
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<bfree> slapin_n1: if that fat comment is for me, the wiki led me that way when getting started (and I didn't pickup any hints I could have just used extN then) and as I was using root on sata I've never bothered changing the uSD yet
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<Turl> slapin_n1: windows maybe?
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<Turl> lkcl: moving fex -> dt shouldn't be hard, it just requires willingness from AW
<Turl> lkcl: but chinese companies are more fond of 'it works? shipit!' and 'if it ain't broken don't fix it'
<Turl> (most of them, that is)
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<ssvb_> slapin_n1: I guess any file system is a bit more user friendly than hardcoded locations on sd card
* Turl gets popcorn and keeps reading emails :P
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<ssvb_> :)
<Turl> I still don't get why luke insists that fex is superior
<slapin_n1> ssvb_: as processor doesn't gove a damn about file system, then there is no any reason to think there is any file system.
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<slapin_n1> no file system is better than pretending there is one
<ssvb_> the processor has a boot rom and may be aware of the file system
<slapin_n1> ssvb_: nonsence
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<slapin_n1> ssvb_: tl;dr
<slapin_n1> omap does have some knowledge of fs a\if you want to boot from sd, but just does linear reads
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<ssvb_> slapin_n1: in any case, I'm fine with any approach, as long as it is properly documented
<ssvb_> but the need to have specifically formatted sd cards is not very nice to the users
<Turl> esp. for windows users
<ssvb_> and also a reserved area which does not belong to any partition may be potentially damaged by some partition management tools
<ssvb_> something resembling FAT is more safe in this respect
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<slapin_n1> ssvb_: omap requires specially formated sdcard
<slapin_n1> windows users should suffer
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<slapin_n1> damn this sick 'lets be good to windows users' attitude
<slapin_n1> I don't think Linux bneeds more Windows users
<slapin_n1> from lots of Linux devices I have, only my Samsung TV understands my ext3 external USB drive
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<slapin_n1> they all are very good to Windows users being able to write to NTFS filesystems
<slapin_n1> this all is damn this attitude
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<slapin_n1> how can Linux community grow if Linux developers only care about Windows users, and forget about Linux users completely?
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<oliv3r> Turl: of course it's not corrupting anything randomly. if that where true, i'd be having errors constantly
<oliv3r> ssvb_: Turl: I think they use the 'turstzone' for the DRM stuff; e.g. a binary blob running at special priviledges doing ... god knows what
<oliv3r> not needed imo; especially since everything one downloads, is allready de-DRMed. And DRM is only usefull for those who pay and having the worst time to actually playback their crap
<oliv3r> slapin_n1: like tom tom, runs on linux, can't be used with linux :)
<oliv3r> Turl: if the FS is corrupting stuff; rm + repo sync should 'fix' it. if the exact same thing breaks; it must be broken ;)
<leowt> where do i get allwinner's android sdk?
<oliv3r> leowt: from allwinner; here you mostly find sunxi stuff ;) we do have the initial leechee u-boot + kernel though
<leowt> i am trying to get android to boot from SD card on a a13
<leowt> tried to follow auuer1 here but the kernel dont seem to load
<leowt> loading kernel… then reboots
<leowt> i never compiled a kernel for android without using android source
<leowt> can someone point me out how to?
<leowt> i mean, what should i change in .config to make it work in android
<oliv3r> our kernels are just regular (android flavored) kernels
<oliv3r> you never should need anything android specific to build a kernel
<oliv3r> should be as simple as download, cd <kernel> make menuconfig ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=<yourcrosscompilerprefix>
<oliv3r> we have sun4i_crane/nuclear_defconfig for that purpouse; it sets the default values so it's useable on android
<leowt> already compiled with a13_nucelar
<leowt> a kernel panic stops the boot
<leowt> going to paste that out
<leowt> sec
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<leowt> by the way, do anyone knows how to get scroll through screen using uart?
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<specing> leowt: by emulating a terminal
<specing> leowt: such as VT100
<oliv3r> i use screen for my uart-ing needs.
<oliv3r> screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
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<leowt> i am using as that i dont get scroll
<oliv3r> hipboi: ping
<leowt> is my terminal app
<leowt> is fixed
<leowt> =)
<leowt> so this is the full log
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<oliv3r> Turl: after rm -r frameworks; resyncing it barfs at exactly the same spot
<shineworld> leowt, screen don't scroll but there is a tip.
<leowt> shineworld: got it fixed by telling my terminal app to emulate a vt100
<shineworld> when you call screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 you have alto to go in the console menu items and click twice time to "Terminal -> Reset and Clear..."
<shineworld> at this point screen works perfectly
<leowt> can anyone help me out with the kernel boot error?
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<slapin_n1> leowt: dunno, but looks like bad hardware configuration
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<Turl> oliv3r: what is that spot again? :P
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<slapin_n1> can anybosy advice me some tasty A10-based netbook to buy at aliexpress?
<slapin_n1> I need fanless + normal keyboard to analyse this dump, laptops can't survive a hour in there
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<slapin_n1> mnemoc:
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<Turl> slapin_n1: drachensun probably can
<drachensun> slapin_n1: I have one sitting right here in fact, but I'm not sure if the supplier still sells them
<slapin_n1> drachensun: what was it bought as?
<slapin_n1> drachensun: I mean model or link
<bfree> does anyone have u-boot sunxi-current working with a dtb and initrd? I'm starting to go slightly mad here ;) once I add the initrd it falls over:
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<slapin_n1> bfree: where do you put your initramfs? what exact bootm command do you use?
<bfree> slapin_n1: currently using (as in what the last paste came from):
<Turl> bfree: at least you get output now :)
<bfree> Turl: yep, guess what uImage.ll is ;)
<slapin_n1> bfree: dtb works, but it seems that initramfs doesn't. is it tested well?
<slapin_n1> bfree: have you tested if it is not overwritten?
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<slapin_n1> bfree: try to make initramfs tell you something, or open some prompt to you
<slapin_n1> bfree: but I think it is corrupted
<Keeper2k7> hi
<slapin_n1> bfree: in memory, probably
<bfree> slapin_n1: those values are basically what I used for 3.4 and the initrd is pretty much the same size now as the 3.4 one (guess what uInitrd.sml is)
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<Keeper2k7> tell me where to take the user manual for A10S?
<drachensun> slapin_n1: I didn't get it on aliexpress, it was a response to a quote request
<bfree> a pretty much equivalent 3.4 (e.g. script.bin loaded instead where the dtb is going) works :-/ maybe the dtb means I need to use different addresses though?
<drachensun> slapin_n1: model was UMPC-1021
<drachensun> well this seems to be it
<Keeper2k7> Where can I get user manual for a10s?
<Keeper2k7> Turl: This datasheet, there is no description of the CPU registers
<Turl> Keeper2k7: if it's not there, chances are we don't have it
<Turl> Keeper2k7: the A13 and A10 user manuals may help you though
<aexl> lo. i've got debian running from µsd card class10. is it noticebly faster if installed on nand?
<Keeper2k7> Turl: A10 User Manual is compatible with the version of a10s?
<Turl> Keeper2k7: no, but most stuff is similar
<Turl> Keeper2k7: A13 should be more similar to A10s, but not the same in any case
<aexl> and has anyone noticed ?
<Keeper2k7> Turl: So user manual for a10s does not exist in the public domain?
<Turl> Keeper2k7: as far as I'm aware, no
<Turl> mripard_: ping ^
<Keeper2k7> Turl: It is a pity that there is no documentation of the CPU registers. thanks
<Keeper2k7> Turl: good luck
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<Turl> libv_: nice 6%
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<oliv3r> Turl: the sweet spot :p
<oliv3r> frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/public.xml:890: error: Public symbol drawable/zoom_plate declared here is not defined.
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<oliv3r> make: *** [/silo/build/galaxy_s2/android/system/out/target/common/obj/APPS/framework-res_intermediates/package-export.apk] Error 1
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<oliv3r> Turl: is the full make 2> log
<Turl> oliv3r: java -version
<Turl> ?
<Turl> um
<Turl> oliv3r: do you run your gentoo with -Ofast -funroll-loops -ffast-math -break-all-the-things by any chance? :)
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<mripard_> Turl: when I asked, I was told that I had to use the same datasheet as the A13
<oliv3r> that A10 mini laptop sounds nice; i'd wait for an A20 model with them being so close
<oliv3r> Turl: lOl ; no just pretty standard stuff
<oliv3r> Turl: javac -version
<oliv3r> javac 1.7.0_09
<oliv3r> CFLAGS="-Os -march=amdfam10 -pipe"
<bfree> mripard_: I've been stumbling over trying to get a debian 3.10+emac kernel booting with an initrd (and dtb). it falls over as soon as I add the initrd ... any clues/ideas? or a good .config for 3.10 to start from to try and narrow it down (and known good commands for u-bbot would also help my sanity)
<oliv3r> that's not so bad is it :p
<drachensun> oliv3r: I noticed there weren't many vendors for netbooks with A10s, it seems like the mini netbook market is getting smaller with each new generation of chips
<oliv3r> bree test some of the bins from
<oliv3r> those are rrandom binaries i put there for random purpouses; but it is a kernel with a built in initramfs
<oliv3r> i think i added the initramfs on that url too
<oliv3r> drachensun: shame really; while I agree it's a small market, i'm sure there's a market
<mripard_> bfree: it looks like your initramfs is not well generated
<Turl> bfree: I embed the ramdisk inside the kernel, never used the uboot one
<oliv3r> aexl: those arne't usermanual's though; stick with the A13, it should be cflose enough
<mripard_> how did you build it ?
<mripard_> (and yeah, I do the same thing than Turl :))
<aexl> Turl: right
<drachensun> oh yeah, I like em too, I'm hoping there will be an A20 offering, its just funny though how much a netbook resonates with programmers and a tablet resonates with everyone else
<aexl> s/Turl/oliv3r
<Turl> drachensun: they're out already there
<Turl> they have a funny name
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<drachensun> ah cool
<bfree> mripard_: my initial one was built by debian's normal initramfs-tools. I subsequently cut it back just in case it was a size thing, extracting it and: find . | cpio -0 -H newC | gzip > blah ... and e.g. mkimage -A arm -T ramdisk -C none -n uInitrd -d /boot/initrd.img-3.10-rc4-armmp /boot/uInitrd-3.10-rc4-armmp
<bfree> process works with 3.4
<oliv3r> A full 21% faster.!!
<oliv3r> libv_ our hero!
<mripard_> bfree: hmmm, to be honest, it's a setup I never tried, so there can definitely be a bug somewhere, but what happens if you set CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE to the "." directory you mention and build the kernel?
<bfree> I've not tried embedding the initramfs into the kernel ... considering I'm looking at debian packaging that's not really the aim ;) guess I'll be trying it though
<oliv3r> bree does the code i linked you work?
<oliv3r> well you got to test and eliminate first
<mripard_> bfree: oh, nice :)
<mripard_> but yeah, like oliv3r said, maybe it's just the rootfs itself that is not working at all.
<mripard_> well, not working with 3.10 that is.
<bfree> mripard_: is debian's incoming 3.10 + emac ;)
<mripard_> cool :)
<jelly-home> bfree: with debian's almostallmodyes?
<jelly-home> s/yes//
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<bfree> it would be "cool" if I could get it to boot something useful (e.g. root on nbd is what I'm trying) ;) as of now all I've got it to do is fall over without an initramfs for lack of a rootfs or die with an initramfs :-p
<bfree> jelly-home: yes, it's a full debian kernel ... + emac from net-next
<jelly-home> oh you even left all the superfluous flavors for armhf!
* jelly-home doesn't know which one to pick
<bfree> armmp is the one which should support sunxi
<bfree> and yes I built the full kitchen sink to make sure nothing else broke ... 24h (-2.5m) native compile time on the cubie :-o qemu-user-arm will get that down to maybe ~10h at a guess (not done the lot yet)
<oliv3r> Turl: anything usefull to say about ? I don't even understand the errors :S I can't imagine those files to be uploaded wrong :(
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<Turl> oliv3r: sounds like some binary on your computer is overoptimized and exposing a bug if you ask me
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<oliv3r> but what binary of my system is being used? Isn't the whole thing self-using? e.g. the compiler is included, libs are included
<oliv3r> only javac is from my system;' and that's actually a pre-compiled binary :p
<oliv3r> i'll try to find the command that scans those png's
<oliv3r> cause 'file *.png' says it's a perfectly happy png
<oliv3r> can't google for it either
<oliv3r> and then, i'll try to find the bug that causes the 32bit compiler to not find the libraries
<oliv3r> but this is a beast to do :)
<oliv3r> i find the android build system a little bit very messy
<Turl> no android sdk floating around right?
<oliv3r> not on my build box no
<oliv3r> on my desktop only
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<Turl> oliv3r: what does 'which aapt' say?
<oliv3r> /silo/build/galaxy_s2/android/system/out/host/linux-x86/bin/aapt
<mripard_> bfree: I have to go to bed, sorry, an early flight tomorrow, but let me know what is the outcome of your build
<oliv3r> /silo/build/galaxy_s2/android/system/out/host/linux-x86/bin/aapt: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not sd
<Turl> oliv3r: mine is 32b
<Turl> oliv3r: maybe sth that only exposes itself on 64b? :)
<oliv3r> well i forced 64 bit remember
<bfree> mripard_: don't worry ... and I will ... just easting now then I'll probably try embedding and initramfs ... sweet dreams ;)
<oliv3r> yeha but ... it's scanning a bitmap! :(
<Turl> oliv3r: diff pointer size and stuff
<oliv3r> ok'll go back to 32 bit and see if I can fix the include thing
<oliv3r> png_bytep ... i hate typedefs
<mripard_> bfree: bon appetit
<mripard_> and thanks
<hno> oliv3r, byte access is no problem for 64-bit.
<oliv3r> then why is it barfing :S
<oliv3r> and hi hno :)
<hno> hi oliv3r.
<hno> don't know.
<oliv3r> me neither :(
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<wingrime> some, strange, strange, african mail
<oliv3r> lol
<oliv3r> hey wingrime
<oliv3r> we got a jpeg trace
<wingrime> oliv3r: and what?
<wingrime> oliv3r: something interesting?
<oliv3r> wingrime: actually; that mail could be real
<oliv3r> just check the sender
<oliv3r> i've actually had a phone interview a few weeks ago
<wingrime> actualy google are recently unstable
<oliv3r> but the job was realy not interested for me
<wingrime> what job?
<oliv3r> they are looking for engineers
<oliv3r> that can talk a lot with companies
<wingrime> for that?
<oliv3r> how to integrate business apps with business
<oliv3r> write proof of concept code
<wingrime> google recently strange
<oliv3r> it's 20% code; 60% 'talking'; rest traveling
<oliv3r> it's mostly html/css/php work
<wingrime> oliv3r: evangelist?
<oliv3r> hmm?
<wingrime> oliv3r: this job like google promouter
<oliv3r> basically
<wingrime> oliv3r: crep
<wingrime> oliv3r: totlay
<Turl> wingrime: nice, a google offer
<oliv3r> that was the only reason why I conciderd it
<oliv3r> 'but it's google'
<wingrime> oliv3r: it like call seller at market , a selling manager or simular, cool name for low level stuff
<wingrime> like monkey with keyboard
<oliv3r> lol yeah
<wingrime> lets wait, untill they offer some more intersting
<oliv3r> well you can always talk to them, see what they have to say
<oliv3r> i mean, it IS google :)
<oliv3r> and if you are looking for a 40 hour/week job
<wingrime> oliv3r: I not sure I want leave my contry in recent time
<oliv3r> i think tehy want people to work reasonably 'lokally'
<wingrime> David McNeill <>
<wingrime> oliv3r: star fever
<wingrime> oliv3r: I think google send OVER900 mails
<wingrime> oliv3r: I don't know why thay want so much people
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<n01> oliv3r: we have something better than the rtc driver in sunxi-3.4 branch? that one is really crappy
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<n01> oliv3r: we have something better than the rtc driver in sunxi-3.4 branch? that one is really crappy
<oliv3r> n01: what do you mean
<oliv3r> sun4i or sun5i
<oliv3r> sun5i doesn't have an RTC :) they have some wrapper around an i2c device
<n01> oliv3r: I don't think the rtc driver for sun4i actually works
<oliv3r> it should
<oliv3r> well in 3.0
<oliv3r> i mean don't we need a working rtc to keep tiem
<n01> well the code is wrong, definitely
<n01> ok, nevermind, I'll try to do by myself :)
<oliv3r> that I fully belive
<n01> if(tm->tm_mon > 12){ ... switch(tm->tm_mon){ ... case 1: ... O_O
<n01> lol
<oliv3r> wow; amasing skill
<oliv3r> well
<oliv3r> the rtc keeps running
<oliv3r> so it could be, that you do the if; and then the timer has progressed
<n01> 1 month?!?!
<oliv3r> well what if tm->tm_mon is 12 now; e.g. december, it's 31st and 23:59:59
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<wingrime> oliv3r: you still want make Jpeg PoC?
<oliv3r> so you enter the function, 1 or 2 cycles pass
<oliv3r> it's not 00:00 - 01 - 01; HAPPY NEW YEAR!
<n01> :D
<oliv3r> so yeah, you do have to take that into account :)
<oliv3r> wingrime: check out cedarx-traces
<rz2k> anyone up for deletion of hackberry, marsboard and pcduino from "featured community hardware" from mainpage?
<oliv3r> anyway, without doing the RE myself; there's a lof of info i need :)
<oliv3r> rz2k: why?
<rz2k> zero community action from manufacturer
<oliv3r> true
<oliv3r> maybe a new header
<Turl> rz2k: I wouldn't mind personally
<rz2k> also I kinda hate that they use frontpage as their advert. place when commiting nothing to linux-sunxi itself
<Turl> rz2k: is olinuxino listed there?
<rz2k> yes in the opensource section
<rz2k> but they are opensource and ok
<wingrime> rz2k: I agree, just put it to "Simply supported"
<Turl> wingrime: there's a lot of supported devices not in there
<oliv3r> manufacturer unsupported
<wingrime> ok, I think We must make some 'matix' for hardware
<wingrime> openess
<wingrime> and support/not supported wifi
<wingrime> etc
<wingrime> is pcDuino have open pcb/schenematics ?
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<hno> Olimex is quite well connected with the community.
<wingrime> Turl: it realy like free adv
<wingrime> Turl: expectly for hackers boards
<wingrime> oliv3r: actualy where trace
<wingrime> itself
<hno> oliv3r, an RTC is only needed to keep time while powered off / hibernaed.
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<wingrime> wow i2c like i2c-mv64xxx.c
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<oliv3r> hno marsboard not so much
<oliv3r> hno: and across reboots
<oliv3r> i think android relies more on it with its suspends?
<oliv3r> wingrime: the Lenna_mjpeg.trace.log
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<Turl> oliv3r: for alarms too
<Turl> oliv3r: why does everyone use that picture of Lenna? :P
<oliv3r> because it's the 'official' test image :p
<oliv3r> it was used for the first imaging stuff
<oliv3r> so i found it ironic to use it aswell :)
<oliv3r> just before submitting; a nother review :) he did spot things that where allready fixed; not sure what to do with his probe comments, I don't like having 'returns' in the middle of functions; goto might not be the best solution either; but just returning half way is ugly imo
<Turl> oliv3r: weren't you using devm_ stuff though?
<Turl> that should autoclean after itself shouldn'tit?
<Turl> shouldn't it*
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