<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
for waht * do i have selinux enabled?
<hno>
Fedora needs it. Probably some other distros as well.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
If anyone will say fedora, his a*s wont like the result
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Its like ubuntu now
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
First ubuntu
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Then mint
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Now fedora
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<hno>
You obviously don't know Fedora.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I am a old Debian/Gentoo sysadm
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Who also have experience with OpenBSD, and thinks of moving onto FreeBSD
<hno>
Debian and Fedora have a lot in common.
<techn__>
poke hansg/hno if you want to know of fedora :p
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Nothing with you dirty fedora
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
You dont know debian good enough.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
To compare it with fedora
<hno>
I do.
<techn__>
hansg is pushing fedora images for a10/a13 and a10s
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Doesnt look like it
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
just go away, you RPM based alien
<techn__>
:D
<hno>
Heh. you donät understand what Debian and Fedora is.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Sources are the live, and may everyone who says its not lose it
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
i am several years experience with debian sir
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
And quite a good experience with gentoo
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
"you dont know the life, go away"
<hno>
are you a debian contributor? What are the values of Debian?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
well, i am a debian user. Who from time to time thinks of starting to do deb's
<aexl1>
alright guys. its been fun. good night everybody bye bye.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
So i see you are a debian contributor
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
aexl1, Nooo!!! dont go away
<techn__>
aexl1: gn.. I'll go sleep too :)
<aexl1>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: sry
<techn__>
bye
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
i should be "dead-asleep" several hours ago
<aexl1>
techn__: good night
<rz2k>
distro fun on #linux-sunxi...
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
yet, i am here
* rz2k
back to integrating mtd from mainline to 3.4
<hno>
rz2k, yes. Should have made popcorn.
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<rz2k>
thanks mtd folks for not thinking that oob can be 640b in 3.4 times
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
rz2k, running small kittens through LHC on #linux (rusnet)
<rz2k>
руснет умер
<rz2k>
прими это
* hno
wonders if that's worth translating...
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Руснет жив. Но меня забанили
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Ноу!
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
No!
<rz2k>
hno: I said that our russian main IRC network is dead
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Its not
<Turl>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: kittens through the large hadron collider? that's gonna generate a black hole that's gonna consume all the cat videos on youtube
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Its just me being banned
<hno>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE, I wonder why...
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oh stop lying, you dont
<Turl>
I just noticed whatever russian font I'm using, it's pretty :)
<rz2k>
hno: dont wonder, it was always about banning everyone
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Internet over tachyons, only on RusNet
<rz2k>
delinking server, k-lines for veryone
<rz2k>
and other fun
<rz2k>
hope they die someday completely
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Just a net to get redirected to "man's"
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
or even worser
<rz2k>
hno: if you want to talk about mtd, I have couple of questions, may I pm you?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Its the english internet where trolls get surrounded and burned on fire
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
But in russian internets its 4chan like. You get surrounded with all you carefully picked facts
<hno>
rz2k, take it here.
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<rz2k>
hno: I dont understand how in yuq's and your mtd stuff the reading of big pages are done. yuq says that you need to run READ0 two times to have a big page, but standard MTD driver doesnt know about that, right?
<rz2k>
and the READ0 routine in his driver also seems to ignore that
<rz2k>
slapin said to me that MTD from 3.10+ is needed
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<rz2k>
because of OOB stuff and etc, but I didnt get much out of him :p
<hno>
rz2k, sorry, i don't quite remember the details at this hour. But 3.4 MTD is not capable of handling those chips, not even detecting them proper.
<rz2k>
yeah I noticed, my nand suddenly got 8giB
<rz2k>
I got it detected right in 3.4 by patching stuff by hand
<rz2k>
but still have OOB/ECC errors everywhere
<hno>
slapin_n1 has been trying to get u-boot mtd layer updated, but it's a huge task.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
whahaha! I have found why my TS didnt work!
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
[ 13.337] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
<hno>
rz2k, OOB/ECC needs to be handled by hardware. And yuq driver is not doing the randomizer part correctly from what I remember.
<hno>
needs to be seeded differently on each block.
<rz2k>
do you have an example/datasheet/reference code from AW about that so I could hack it in the correct_ecc function?
<hno>
The controller will happily do a full NAND block DMA transfer if you ask it, divided in ECC sectors.
<rz2k>
(I'm having big trouble finding the datasheet for hynix found in olinuxino)
<hno>
The NAND reference code is in lichee-dev u-boot branch and sunxi kernel (any version)
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<rz2k>
i checked everything many times, my register work is completely 1:1 to sunxi block emulation
<rz2k>
I only fixed the chipselect to be more mtd like (mtd layer is sort of mad about chipselecting at each operation)
<rz2k>
also yuq's driver has interesting workarounds about weird places comparing to AW code, but those workarounds are just optimizations and looping everything
<rz2k>
I wonder how he got it working if random for ECC doesnt work
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<hno>
Any ECC seeding will work if you erase the NAND. It only matters if you want to be able to read what AW wrote.
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<hno>
and doing it wrong will jus tresult in slighlty shorter lifespan for your NAND data.
<rz2k>
the interesting thing is, I can actually ubiattach/format/mkvol/mkfs.ubifs/mount my mtd partitions, can even write/read from them
<rz2k>
if I reboot the board, I have ton of ECC errors
<rz2k>
basically everything is reported as 0xFf
<hno>
Maybe you are not handling blank pages correctly?
<hno>
the controller will report lots of ECC errors on those, and random data.
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<rz2k>
but.. how they are blank if I wrote to the desired page my data and was able to get it back (i also disabled various caching and dropped caches using /proc, so it is not a cached stuff).
<rz2k>
i might lack needed knowledge about nand workflow :/
<hno>
if you have written to the page then it's not blank.
<hno>
but ubi scans the whole nand after reboot.
<rz2k>
yes I read ton of ecc on ubiattach
<rz2k>
then on mount I have 0xFF as first ubi PEB and it obviously is wrong
<rz2k>
s/ecc/ecc errors/
<hno>
i do not know
<rz2k>
I saw an ecc controller routine that had all 0xFF reads ignored
<hno>
blank pages needs the be handles special. When you see a page with lots of errors you need to try again with randomizer & hw ECC disabled to check if it's a blank page.
<hno>
configure the usb0 interface on the host/desktop side as per how you configure a network interface in your preferred desktop OS.
<hno>
no different from eth0 other than the name..
<hno>
and if you get no usb0 interface then make sure you have usb networking support enabled in your desktop kernel, which based on your statements earlier I guess you have disabled.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
but its in a completely different wiki
<hramrach_>
but I did not ned any special argument
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
btw, i am toldnd you are responsible for default kernel settings>
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
is that correct?
<hramrach_>
I wrote a patch that adds much more stuff to the defaul config because there are pepole coming all the time saying they plugged X into their a10 device and it did not work
<hramrach_>
but the pathces are not merged soo
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
My question: Who exactly do you think got a amiga HDD that they maybe willing to connect to a tablet?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Or even a minix one
<hramrach_>
minix is still alive
<hramrach_>
as for amiga you see that there are people who have some ;-)
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I know
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
But who exactly wanna use amiga drives on his A10?
<hramrach_>
I don't really care about partition type section. Did not touch that since it looked reasonable
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Il eat my A10 if there are any in this channel
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Without water
<hramrach_>
I don't know what interface amiga drives are
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Who uses Rio Karma with it?
<hramrach_>
if they are IDE you can just plug them using an adaptor
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Who attaches Sun hdd to A10?
<hramrach_>
Anyone who has also a Sun
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Way too much humor for me. Atleast for today
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Why dont you switch on all the drivers
<hramrach_>
is Rio Karma a mass storage quirk?
<hramrach_>
they are just all enabled
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Using A10 in nuclear ICBM seems more possible than anyone willing to use amiga partitioning layout on their A10
<hramrach_>
because then someone comes and asks why can I connect my half-broken thumb drive to my desktop but not a10?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Cant you just use "make linux-config"????
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
if you want something, configure the kernel for it
<hramrach_>
no. First the defconfigs are for pre-built kernels. Second there are inter-depndencies which prevent you configuring some options easily.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I had this sickness of "What if il need to move this kernel to a Alpha computer? What if il need support for this extremely rare circuit? And have no possibility of recompiling the kernel (for unknown reasons)".
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Its gone now
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
maybe thats becouse i am a gentoo admin...
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Yet thats how i see it
<hramrach_>
Who would want to connect an amiga formatted drive to a PC?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Who wound want it at embedded system
<hramrach_>
yet it is set in the Debian amd64 kernel
<hramrach_>
the a10 is no more embedded than a netbook. there are actual netbooks and devboards with a10 out there
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
They DO support launching nuclear ICBM. So not a example
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
If someone DO know what is Amiga. What is linux. And somehow got to linux-sunxi. I cant belive he cant configure a kernel
<hramrach_>
the defconfig is for 'download this image and try if it works with that'
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Well, as i sad yesterday. I will soon fork it, and add blackjack and sluts
<hramrach_>
since the current defconfig has no drivers it is useless in tha regard
* Yaku321
wants a 512mb memory extention for his mele a2000 with a physical switch like on his amiga 500 a long time ago, and flip it every once in a while just to see a nice guru mediation fault
<aexl>
Yaku321: just solder it on :D
<hramrach_>
yes, chipsel disable switch
<hramrach_>
but you need a mele a2000g for that I guess
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
btw, hramrach_. Can you link me to any of those "A10 netbooks". As it seems like a interesting thing
<hramrach_>
search chinese shops. I don't know where else they are sold. just saw a picture posted somewhere
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oh
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
i am chrooted into my rootfs
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
will "mknod /dev/ttyGS0 c 249 0" work?
<mripard_>
aexl: well, you can use it, but device support is quite limited
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Or it cant be executed through chroot?
<mripard_>
the major drawback being that there is no storage device support at all.
<hramrach_>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: if you can identify some chips that are really rare and unlikely to encounter that's cool
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok
<hramrach_>
but arguing over amiga partition scheme is just bikeshedding
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
XD
<ssvb_>
mripard_: would nfs root work with the mainline kernel already?
<Turl>
ssvb_: if you patch emac in, yes :)
<mripard_>
Turl: like aexl pointed out, I made quickly a howto on how to compile mainline kernel, it would be great if you reviewed it :)
<hramrach_>
thre are some emac patches, arent' there?
<mripard_>
and add whatever you feel is needed :)
<Turl>
mripard_: I was having a look at it earlier today
<mripard_>
ssvb_: yes
<mripard_>
they will be merged in 3.11
<ssvb_>
thanks, that's great
<mripard_>
it's been merged by the network maintainer already, so it's just a matter of pull requests now :)
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<hramrach_>
working mainline kernel \o/
<aexl>
mripard_: what else is not working? -> wiki
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
hramrach_, Serial seems working A10-side
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Now as i am completely new to serial..... how to connect?
<aexl>
okay
<hramrach_>
you connect the mini USB to an USB port on the PC
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
and
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
already done
<hramrach_>
and it should detect a serial adaptor
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I have dmesg telling that its detected
<mripard_>
Turl: speaking of which, maybe you could rename your -next branch to -devel?
<mripard_>
to avoid confusion?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
using the usbserial
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
so.... what should i do now
<hramrach_>
there are programs like screen or cu you can use to connect to a serial port
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
i know. But where. Where is the file i shall connect to
<hramrach_>
does njot dmesg tell you?
<bfree>
mripard_: fyi I cannot get an external initramfs to load (my debian armmp 3.10+emac) no matter what I've tried (including just a 1k token one). building in failed with the full initramfs_source I was hoping for but gitting it (drop all modules) to get the kernel down to something ~<4M at least booted :-/
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
np
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
nop
<hramrach_>
probably /dev/ttyUSB0
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
doesnt exist
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
so now we do what?
<hramrach_>
/sys/class/tty/ has your terminal devices
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok
<mripard_>
bfree: hmmm, I don't quite follow you, sorry
<mripard_>
is it working in some cases ?
<bfree>
mripard_: external initramfs never works for me
<bfree>
building in only works if I gut what I wanted to put in so the resulting kernel is ~<4M (I haven't narrowed down exactly where it breaks)
<hramrach_>
for me usbserial creates ttyUSB0 but depending on your kernel and udev it migh be different name or you might have no driver for it
<Turl>
mripard_: yes, I was considering that, in fact I was going to ask you what name you prefered :P
<Turl>
sunxi-devel it is then mripard_
<mripard_>
bfree: so iiuc, when you build the initramfs in the kernel image, and if the size is < 4MB, it works, in any other case, it fails, right?
<mripard_>
could you drop me a mail with what you did to generate the kernel images and your initramfs?
<mripard_>
I'll look into it
<mripard_>
Turl: it was just a suggestion, if you have a better one, go ahead :)
<Turl>
mripard_: my names all sucked :)
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<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Yay!
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Now serial shows up!
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<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
yet, its empty
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
it shows up
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Its correct as dmesg says
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
But its completely empty
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
it shows what my console color is
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
sadly i cant check my font color with it
<aexl>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: what program are you using?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
screen
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200
<ssvb_>
btw, any news from Tom about the a20 developer boards? has anyone got something (if not the board, then at least a confirmation or tracking number)?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
should i use anoothing?
<aexl>
idk. maybe its only showing something if you plug something in or out. or reboot ...
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
when disconnecting it only terminates screen
<aexl>
you don't have more inputs right? usb, sdcard, hdmi.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
well
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
maybe something wrong with my settings?
<hramrach_>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: you need to run something on hte serial terminal to have output
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
?
<hramrach_>
do you have getty runnig on the serial line on a10?
<hramrach_>
or did you direct console output to it?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
How to check?
<hramrach_>
if not you get nothing there
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I have used the g_serial
<hramrach_>
if you did not do it it's not done
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I loaded the module, it was recognised by pc
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
So what should i do again?
<hramrach_>
run something on the serial line
<hramrach_>
like add a getty in inittab or something
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok, gonna do a getty spawn item in inittab
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<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
erm... it doesnt have any
<hramrach_>
what are you running?
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<hramrach_>
I guess #yourdistro knows ;-)
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
it seems those "ubuntoidz" got /etc/event.d/. Atleast i found a script to migrate from inittab to it
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
i am very bad at ubuntu
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
becouse ubuntu is very bad
<hramrach_>
they use some different init system so I have no idea what to do with that
<hramrach_>
I gouess you can figure it out with some searching in your /etc or on the web
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
bro, we are familiar in that
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
:D
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
lets hope "poke and see what happens" method will work here.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
As i am too lazy to use google first
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<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
erm.... event.d folder doesnt exist..... I hope mark shuttleworth will fly to sun
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
Марк Шаттл-в-рот
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
:D
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
(Not funny translation: Mark Shuttle-in-mouth)
<aexl>
ubuntu uses upstart
<bfree>
mripard_: mail sent, hopefully it's what you want/need, otherwise please feel free to shout at me here or by email. Thanks!
<mripard_>
bfree: yeah, got your mail :)
<mripard_>
I'm curious, how did you come up with that mail address ?
<mripard_>
I usually interact with my work one, and this is my personnal one, and you're the second one to send a mail about allwinner today
<mripard_>
:)
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok. success in doing upstart what I want
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
yet, didnt look like ttyGS0 was right choice
<bfree>
mripard_: github ;)
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