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<hipboi> i have a question
<hipboi> can an app built with armel toolchain run in an armhf system?
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<hramrach_> hipboi you need all the libs it uses as armel
<hramrach_> maybe some kernel compat support if it's a really old app
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<hramrach_> hipboi: debian/ubuntu has multiarch support so quite doable
<oliv3r> wingrime: yes, I do still want to play with the jpeg decoder, but got a new phone :) so have to liberate it first :( costs time :S
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<Tsvetan> hi
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<Tsvetan> is here anyone who have access to mele m5?
<Tsvetan> I do wonder is SATA is working as I asked Allwinner for SATA code for A20 and they said they have no :) but hno says mele M5 have SATA and must work
<hipboi> Tsvetan, i have mele m5 at cubiesote
<hipboi> cubiestore
<Tsvetan> tom does mele have working SATA?
<hipboi> not sure, have never used it
<Tsvetan> :)
<hipboi> but cubieboard2 have working sata
<hipboi> ported from a10 iirc
<Tsvetan> ok so the SATA is OK on A20
<hipboi> yes
<Tsvetan> dimitar is trying to do the same
<Tsvetan> do you have the sata sources for cubie2 on github?
<hipboi> hramrach_, it turns out yes, armel apps can run at armhf
<Tsvetan> thanks!
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<oliv3r> all you a20 lucky people :(
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<hipboi> oliv3r, your will be shipped tomorrow
<hipboi> already in package
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<Turl> oliv3r: :)
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<bfree> fyi, debian's 3.9 (in unstable but arm not built yet) and 3.10 (in experimental, no arm yet) have the armmp flavour with upstream sunxi support. my poor cubie has spent the last 12 hours pbuilding away at a full build of armhf 3.10+emac (plenty of hours still to go). a quick+dirty cross compile of just the armmp targets built so fingers crossed it'll work and I'll upload it
<bfree> zumbi: how's that build farm coming along? ;-)
<oliv3r> hipboi: including micro SD adapter :p
<hipboi> oliv3r, yes
<oliv3r> \o/
<oliv3r> awesome
<oliv3r> i can finally start testing 3.4 so we can depreciate 3.0 sooner
<oliv3r> hipboi: your the best :)
<oliv3r> Turl: i have not done a single sunxi thing all day today.
<oliv3r> playing with new phone :) cyanogenmod running now
<hipboi> oliv3r, which model
<bfree> if anyone with A10, A20, imx6 (odroid, ????) wants to do some kernel compile benchmarks I'd be curious to see the results ;) ~5h for a single flavour full debian kernel on the A10 (w/ sata disk) is a little painful
<oliv3r> samsung galaxy s2 :p
<oliv3r> it's a 2nd hand phone
<oliv3r> i bought it 'cheap'
<Turl> bfree: my box builds them in minutes :P
<bfree> Turl: cross-compiling doesn't count :-p
<Turl> bfree: :)
<oliv3r> 30 seconds to build u-boot + kernel
<oliv3r> let me time it
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<slapin_n1> hipboi: hi, Tom! can I hope for some cubieboardii? as I do hack low level stuff...
<oliv3r> slapin_n1: did you not fill int he form?
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<slapin_n1> oliv3r: I've missed the chance
<oliv3r> slapin_n1: !! :(
<oliv3r> slapin_n1: tom even put a message out on mailinglists
<slapin_n1> oliv3r: even though I read mail every day
<arete74_> hi tom, i now have look th bread board for cubieboard on store!
* slapin_n1 is so sad :(
<arete74_> very good!
<hipboi> arete74_, really?
<hipboi> slapin_n1, ok, there is still chance
<hipboi> slapin_n1, write a email to me with your address, it will be shipped tomorrow
<oliv3r> slapin_n1: that means you have to work on mtd again :p :D
<arete74_> for me is good! i wait for the connector, but this bread board is ... good!
<arete74_> have vga and have the possibility speriment in safe mode!
<rz2k> slapin_n1: slapin_n1:
<slapin_n1> oliv3r: I never stopped, actually, just had a pause for $$$ work as I need to keep my jid and wife alive
<slapin_n1> rz2k: ?
<slapin_n1> s/jid/kid
<slapin_n1> well, jid, too
<oliv3r> 1 min 45 second for full u-boot + 3.10 kernel build :)
<rz2k> I have yuq's mtd driver reading the id of my chip and identifying everything well, but there is a bug in MTD framework that I cant fix
<oliv3r> slapin_n1: pff, who needs food!
<rz2k> may we speak in pm about it?
<oliv3r> if soviet russia, food eats you!
<slapin_n1> rz2k: which one?
<slapin_n1> rz2k: of course
<rz2k> they are both equal for u-boot and nand i think (nand_base.c and friends) :p
<slapin_n1> oliv3r: there's no soviet russia any more
<hramrach_> that does not stop the food from eating you
<hramrach_> nobody told it ;-)
<bfree> guess I should follow the lists ;) even ~3h instead of ~5h per flavour would be a bit less painful (or maybe ~10h for the full package instead of ~20h ... but only guessing at that, closing in on 13h now but I think it's nearly finished the 3 linux-[image|header] flavours) :-p
<bfree> oliv3r: cross compiling, pfffft ... at least I presume you don't have a big arm distcc cluster ;)
<zumbi> bfree: tbh, I had not time for, and I am fighting insurance company to return to me few computer goods which affect that build farm.. so it is still wip, not much progress
<bfree> zumbi: no problem, I understand, I just had to poke you about it in the context of the line above it ;)
<zumbi> bfree: sure, glad you did.. refreshed my todo :)
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<oliv3r> bfree: i should make distcc do cross compile; shouldn't be too hard
<Turl> bfree: what about making a debian arm chroot and using qemu-system-arm to do the magic and 'native compile' that way?
<hramrach_> I don't expect that to be blazingly fast but at least you get fast disk
<bfree> Turl: I did try that once and it was as slow as real native (perhaps I missed some tricks to improve things ... I did ponder trying to setup a distcc cluster of arm VMs)
<bfree> my cubie has a 3.5" sata drive attached at least
<Turl> bumped -j?
<hramrach_> nor is distcc. even if you distcc to a cross toolchain on powerful machine you still have to collect and link the result on a slow arm
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<bfree> Turl: yeah I probably should go back to play with that more, tbh I'm not sure wtf I tried back then in terms of -j, possibly I "missed" that obvious improvement
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<hramrach_> where woudl I get SPL for sun3i?
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<hramrach_> there is only sun4i and and sun5i config
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<hramrach_> and without drivers I cannot load u-boot.bin to get full-featured loader
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<Turl> hramrach_: there was a guy with a blog working on sun3i
<hramrach_> heh
<Turl> he may know
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<hramrach_> yeah, I guess there was somebody like that. there was some f20 device
<Turl> hramrach_: http://www.sysfwlab.com/
<hramrach_> it's in some weird language but looks good
<hramrach_> thanks
<Turl> hramrach_: looks like french if you want to use goog translate
<Turl> hramrach_: there's some mails from him on arm-netbook too I think
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<hramrach_> there is an assembly source of a bootloader on the blog
<hramrach_> should be good enough for testing
<hramrach_> btw
<hramrach_> sunxi-current u-boot does not build
<oliv3r> my little older bild does
<oliv3r> let me pull and re-check
<oliv3r> all caps?!
<oliv3r> wrong error
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<hramrach_> on sunxi branch I get different error: http://paste.debian.net/8424/
<wingrime> rz2k: ping
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<hramrach_> which is obviously some stale .depend file looking for old compiler files
<hramrach_> make clean does not help
<rz2k> wingrime: whats up
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<hramrach_> distclean does
<wingrime> rz2k: are you comented A13AA on habra recently ?
<rz2k> yes
<wingrime> 256 Mb
<rz2k> thats not ok
<oliv3r> hramrach_: rm -r build :D
<oliv3r> if you use the bsp that is
<hramrach_> but not for the sunxi-current branch. looks like some whitespace/formatting issue in the config
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<hramrach_> no bsp
<wingrime> rz2k:if you alloc mali+stuff I don't know how much ram be awalible
<rz2k> mali doesnt even work with 256mb
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<rz2k> because the code wants two banks of DDR3
<hramrach_> heh
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<oliv3r> u-boot/sunxi-current builds find hramrach_
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<hramrach_> not here
<hramrach_> not the sun4i config
<oliv3r> try a clean tree?
<oliv3r> are you using the BSP?
<hramrach_> no bsp
<oliv3r> then; you are on your own :p
<wingrime> rz2k: pcb are realy not cheap when we talk about a defined dielectrc tangens and epsilon that same for whole board, and more important inter-layer connetions are not perfect conductor
<oliv3r> hramrach_: distclean/mrproper should clean it mostly
<wingrime> rz2k: 4 layers are minimal in that case
<hramrach_> it does. it still does not build
<rz2k> i know
<hramrach_> same with clean tree
<wingrime> rz2k: cheap FR4 will work ?
<hramrach_> oliv3r is that bsp some magic pixie dust that makes things build?
<wingrime> rz2k: I think about using a13 like MCU without external RAM , with i2c flash -- cool cortex m replacment
<oliv3r> hramrach_: nah; but it does a good job of seperating source from objects + configs
<oliv3r> so you can simply rm -r build; and your source is 'clean and untouche'd
<oliv3r> the bsp cleanly 'injects' your config
<hramrach_> I just check out repo, read README, and run the make command. If that's not how it's supposed to work the README is bogus. Plus it does work on the sunxi branch so the sunxi-current is likely just broken
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<rz2k> wingrime: good luck jtaging it without reference manual
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<NermaN> hi all
<wingrime> rz2k: just idea
<NermaN> what is difference between u-boot and sunxi-spl located here http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/users/amery/sunxi-3.0/latest/ and here http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/users/amery/testing-3.4/latest/
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<hramrach_> probably none but you will have to ask mnemoc
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<NermaN> md5sum show that it is different files
<hramrach_> you get different file when you rebuild
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<Tsvetan> we have great fun with linux-sunxi sun5i now, yesterday kernel config had USB-OTG today its missing :)
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<Turl> Tsvetan: :p
<Tsvetan> I was thinking to make blog how to make Debian image for A10s, but what I write today may be not valid tomorrow :)))
<rm> such is the nature of things
<rm> impermanence!
<Tsvetan> :) I guess the best is to clone the repo to have at least some state freezed and to blog with link to the cloned repo
<NermaN> rm: can you make changelog for your kernel?
<Turl> Tsvetan: you can link to a commit hash too
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<rm> NermaN, see linux-sunxi commit history
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<slapin_n1> rz2k: anything new?
<slapin_n1> Tsvetan: just use commit hash
<slapin_n1> Tsvetan: git checkout -b mystablebranch hash
<slapin_n1> Tsvetan: after you clone it
<slapin_n1> and use this branch
<Tsvetan> slapin_nl Ill try
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<rz2k> slapin_n1: fighting with mtd updates
<slapin_n1> just take nand_base.c and hack it until it works
<slapin_n1> diff ut to see what changed
<NermaN> is there way to move my sdcard with kernel, uenv.txt, script.txt and sunxi-boot, u-boot to NAND?
<NermaN> it seems that for booting from NAND requires special u-boot
<NermaN> with special config
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<techn__> can we found same on sun4i? :p
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<bfree> Turl: I recalled qemu-system-arm isn't much use (unless a cluster) as you can't throw much ram or cpu at the supported machines. I did give qemu-user-arm a go with a chroot under a kvm VM (-j12 with 4G ram, -smp 6 and virtio hd) and it took about 2h for the armmp linux-[kernel|header] debs which is a big improvement Vs 5h on the cubie ;) course I bloody forgot "time" for an accurate number (and doing it native instead of in the VM would be better
<bfree> again)
<Turl> bfree: 'can't throw much ram' ?
<bfree> afair the supported qemu emulated machines top out at 1G ram
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<Turl> bfree: ahh, that's because I fail
<Turl> bfree: I was trying to mean qemu-user-arm this whole time :)
<bfree> Turl: well it was what I was thinking of anyway ;)
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<wingrime> oliv3r: ping
<wingrime> oliv3r: I still wait you begin make PoC code for jpeg
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<wingrime> hansg: ping
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<drachensun> anyone ever seen this error? <4>init: plymouth main process (53) killed by ILL signal
<drachensun> I'm trying to use a linaro rootfs with the A31 when it tries to comes out of the initramfs it gets a bunch of these and dumps me to maintenance shell
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<drachensun> is this because its a cortex A7 instead of a Cortex A8
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<hramrach_> drachensun: ILL is illegal instruction so that might be the problem
<hramrach_> I have no idea what instructions A8 has that A7 does not but maybe there are some
<drachensun> Yeah, I'm looking at the features list now
<hramrach_> plymouth dying is not a problem but if more important process dies for the same reason you get stuck
<drachensun> it all looks identical, just the A7 is newer with lower power consumption
<hramrach_> it should not be identical
<drachensun> basically its all dying, this happens next
<drachensun> mountall main process (55) killed by ILL signal
<drachensun> I checked out buildroot and its building for Cortex A9
<drachensun> and its outputs seem to work
<drachensun> hmmm
<drachensun> software floating point
<hramrach_> a3 is softfloat?
<hramrach_> a31
<drachensun> Ok, the cortex A7 has VPFv4 not VPFv3 like the A8
<drachensun> buildroot is making a soft float rootfs by default
<drachensun> that is working
<hramrach_> it has one and not the other?
<hramrach_> that's lame
<ssvb> the NEON/VFP support can be simply disabled in the kernel
<ssvb> in this case it will sigill
<drachensun> ok
<hramrach_> yes, that's good point
<hramrach_> it should not be possible to do if the kernel is built for the right arch
<hramrach_> but whatever
<drachensun> # CONFIG_VFP is not set
<hramrach_> maybew it is. not sure how the options fit together
<drachensun> looking good
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<drachensun> ssvb: Yup, neon wasn't selected, seems to be building fine with the addition
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<ssvb> drachensun: did it help?
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<drachensun> ssvb: it takes a bit to rebuild and test I'll know if a few minutes here
<ssvb> ok, thanks, sorry for being impatient
* ssvb is used to crosscompiling the kernel for a10 in maybe something like 2-3 minutes
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<drachensun> yeah, the kernel is fast
<drachensun> but I'm using allwinners big nasty build system to make a livesuit image
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<drachensun> which has to transfer to a windows machine
<drachensun> convoluted at the moment
<drachensun> I tried the livesuit for 64 bit linux but it didn't seem to be working
<drachensun> anyone have any luck with that?
<drachensun> alright, it booted up
<drachensun> plymouth still died but with some other error
<drachensun> which isn't really a surprise, there is no display driver
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<rz2k> slapin_nb: hno: got driver working
<rz2k> ubiformat detects 3K bad blocks though
<rz2k> but it actually reads/writes badblock table
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<rz2k> ok, ubi is broken or I use it wrong
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