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<servili007> Did anyone have any objections/thoughts on the pull request I had in sunxi boards for the uhost?
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<oliv3r> yay, internet is back
<oliv3r> Turl: so again, you have used the imcroSD adapter then yeah :)
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<theOzzieRat> does anyone know how to instantiate a i2c device (ie. ds1307) at boot time?
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<oliv3r> 8,250,514.2€ 4,60EindhovenHelmondGemeente Helmond
<oliv3r> 16,7514.2€ 4,60HelmondEindhovenGemeente Helmond
<oliv3r> 16,7514.2€ 4,60HelmondEindhovenGemeente Helmond
<oliv3r> 8,250,514.2€ 4,60EindhovenHelmondGemeente Helmond
<oliv3r> 8,250,514.2€ 4,60EindhovenHelmondGemeente Helmond
<oliv3r> 16,7514.2€ 4,60HelmondEindhovenGemeente Helmond
<oliv3r> erm
<oliv3r> whoops
<oliv3r> copy paste fail :)
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<Superpelican> oliv3r:Also live in NL? :)
<oliv3r> yep :)
<oliv3r> i thought the .nl in my email gave it away :)
<Superpelican> which e-mail?
<oliv3r> when i join/part and on the ML
<Superpelican> oh
<oliv3r> mripard_:
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<oliv3r> great, i looked through various drivers (besides the rtc ones) and all that use bin_attributes use them like I did, more over greg's example ignores bin_attributes, even when assuming you can do .attrs = sid.attr; in the groups struct
<oliv3r> bah
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<mnemoc> short moin
<bfree> hi mnemoc, great to read you ;) hope you are doing well! take care of yourself
<oliv3r> mnemoc: omg mnemoc !
<oliv3r> mnemoc: i hope you can write more again soon :)
<mnemoc> yes, i'm finally free (from hospital) and so free to type ;-)
<oliv3r> yay
<oliv3r> we've been mnemoc-less for far to long
<mnemoc> :)
<mripard_> mnemoc: great! :)
<mnemoc> now need to find where to re-emigrate to find a job with flesh-coworker
<oliv3r> mnemoc: not moving to the US of A?
<mnemoc> with my 3 weeks in hospital the company had ... troubles... blamed me (bus factor of 1) and kicked me out
<oliv3r> say what?
<oliv3r> must be a spanish thing, they wouldn't be allowed to do that here, no way
<oliv3r> you are in the hoslital, it happens, that does not give them whatsoever reason to fire one
<mnemoc> i was a free contractor, not employee
<oliv3r> ah
<oliv3r> ok, then that's different
<mnemoc> 7 years... but no rights
<oliv3r> oh wow
<oliv3r> well then it's a very prick-ish thing to do :(
<mnemoc> indeed
<oliv3r> proves that they did not give a rats ass though
<oliv3r> i think here though, after 3 years they are required by law to offer you a contract however
<mnemoc> U$A
<mnemoc> living in the country, probably... but i started in .de, then in .cl y the las 5 yn .es
<mnemoc> did I miss much?
<oliv3r> quite some
* mnemoc listens
<oliv3r> er what is the last thing you remember ...
<mnemoc> the announcement of the a20-olinuxino
<oliv3r> ah
<mripard_> mnemoc: oliv3r got ranted on by GKH, which was counter-ranted by russell king :)
<mnemoc> hahaha
<oliv3r> yeah, it almost made me feel special :)
<oliv3r> mripard_: but no worries, i'm stuck with that atm anyway; but that's for later :)
<oliv3r> mnemoc: a20-olinuxino's are in hands of devs; cubie 2.0's too
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<mnemoc> everyone in lkml learnt by been ranted my one or more semigod
<oliv3r> we have working uboot on a20 (not merged yet)
<mnemoc> nice
<oliv3r> hansg is working on integrating a20 to 3.4 and works somewhat
<mnemoc> who has bee merging the stuff?
<oliv3r> mnemoc: linux-sunxi hasn't seen any work
<oliv3r> mnemoc: so you have a big que to work through ;)
<oliv3r> not sure who else has commit access
<oliv3r> the a20 in 3.4 boots and has uart working, the rest of the drivers 'need to be checked'
<oliv3r> lkcl had a big ass thread on lkml a while a go, good read, you may have seen it though
<oliv3r> i'm sure there was more; but i may have forgotten
<mnemoc> anti-dt?
<oliv3r> yeah, pro-fex
<oliv3r> and 'lkml needs to work with aw to get their stuff in because fex is ueber'
<oliv3r> and then he found out that we have ML support for a10, a13 allready :)
<oliv3r> cubie-truck was announced and should be shipping in a month
<mnemoc> is there any branch with "good but pending commits" I could pull into stage?
<mnemoc> a20 or a31?
<oliv3r> mnemoc: hansg has a huge tree
<oliv3r> mripard_: is working on getting a31 into ML
<oliv3r> and a20 should be quite easy, as it's very similar to a10, just a different interrupt controller
<oliv3r> but he made me work on a31 u-boot support first ;)
* mnemoc feels soon allwinner will have the best mainline support of all chinese SoC manufacturers
<mripard_> mnemoc: soon?
<mripard_> it's already the case, there's no support for the others :)
<mnemoc> :D
<oliv3r> mnemoc: there haven't been many patches on linux-sunxi so it shouldn't be a w hole lot to backread
<oliv3r> and as said, I think hansg should have a reasonable up to date tree I guess
<mnemoc> ok. i'll return to the hostel now, look at hansg's branches and then start merging/thanking on the ML
<oliv3r> other then that, i'm not sure if we had a lot of news
<mnemoc> back in 15m
<oliv3r> i think i referenced you a few times
<oliv3r> in some ML mails
<oliv3r> okay, no rush
<mnemoc> first need to get the branchs moving to show life
<oliv3r> aye
<mnemoc> then the replies
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<oliv3r> mripard_: btw, why, WHY did they have to introduce this whole new p2twi thing :S
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<mripard_> bus frequency
<mripard_> 6MHz vs 400kHz
<oliv3r> yeah
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<oliv3r> mripard_: yeah but what for, it's their own special thing :S
<oliv3r> we need it in u-boot to control the PMU for the memory thing
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<mripard_> oliv3r: why do you need SATA 6gbps when you had SATA2
<mripard_> tu push data faster!
<mripard_> :)
<oliv3r> lol
<oliv3r> yeah but this is to talk to a PMU!
<oliv3r> for what its worth, it looks relativly simple
<mripard_> yeah, and it should stress less the CPU
<mripard_> you have far less interrupts for a data transfer
<oliv3r> have you examined it allready?
<mripard_> nah
<mripard_> I'd like to have a decent boot time first :)
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<Turl> wb mnemoc! :)
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<oliv3r> mripard_: lol; well i looked at the aw-boot0 tree and it looks liek its only a few lines
<oliv3r> 50-10 by a very rough estimate
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<Turl> mripard_: were you able to boot your evb again? :)
<mripard_> Turl: nope :(
<mripard_> I didn't try drachensun's images though
<Turl> mripard_: btw, what should we do with all the warnings on multi_v7_defconfig?
<Turl> I made this patch, but dunno if it's a proper solution for lakml
<Turl> (and it just fixes a pair of the harmless ones)
<mripard_> do you have the bootlog again?
<mripard_> maybe you can just send a mail to lakml, arnd and olof
<mripard_> so that they know
<mripard_> and this patch attached
<mripard_> maybe they'll have an idea about the ipmi stuff, or a patch already fixed that
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<mripard_> and I'll rant a bit to that CPU warning that got merge so late
<Turl> :) sure, I'll do that then
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<mripard_> Turl: thanks :)
<ojn> mripard_: i'm aware of that one. It's mostly harmless, and the prima guys were going to fix up the code for 3.12, we took that as a short-term fix. probably not worth the churn
<ojn> downgrading it to a pr_warn() might be more useful for them, since they'd see the error. making it go silent will make the condition hard to debug for them if it happens
<ojn> (well, mripard_ and Turl)
<mripard_> ojn: oh, you're there :)
<ojn> Mostly lurking, but my ears were burning. :) (I have the irc client highlight when my name is mentioned)
<mripard_> lorenzo actually had patches to fix the DTs accordingly, but they never got merged
<mripard_> and now, a few platforms (sunxi included), end up display ing a nasty warning at boot, in the last rc of the development cycle
<ojn> oh, that one went in through rmk
<mripard_> yeah, I didn't say you were involved in the process :)
<mripard_> (well, even though the discussion looks that way)
* Turl stops writing the email
<Turl> ojn: you probably never read the boot log, let me link it to you
<Turl> the other big warning left is the ipmi stuff
<ojn> yeah, i turned off ipmi in multi_v7_defconfig for 3.12
<ojn> it makes no sense to have it on
<Turl> great then
<Turl> stuff like "Serial: AMBA PL011 UART driver" also annoys me, it doesn't say anything that menuconfig cannot, but it's still printed
<Turl> I guess that's mostly personal preference though
<mripard_> ojn: is it too late to apply for 3.10?
<mripard_> and I'll send a similar patch for A10s if it's ok
<ojn> mripard_: send it over.
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<mripard_> ojn: ah, actually, the only thing in a hurry is the one I pasted you. A10s will get merge for 3.11, so there's no need to rush for this one.
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<mripard_> ojn: ok, sent.
<mripard_> thanks!
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<auxym> hi. I'm trying to build a BSP with linaro toolchain but getting some linker errors, could anyone lend a hand? The output from make is at
<auxym> I'm trying to follow the guide at actually
<auxym> and make is giving me errors with undefined references and then a missing section in the linker script? This is duing u-boot compilation I think
<Turl> auxym: did you configure your board first?
<auxym> yep ran configure mini-x-1gb
<auxym> the wiki does mention "recent linaro toolchains are Hard Float (hf), which only runs us into one issue with u-boot"
<auxym> but no more info?
<auxym> btw I'm using gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.7-2013.04-20130415_linux
<Turl> auxym: try cleaning and run "./configure Mini-X-1Gb" (mind the casing)
<auxym> ok trying that
<auxym> what do you mean by cleaning exactly?
<Turl> make clean
<auxym> ok. the casing Mini-X-1Gb gives me invalid board. In the board list, the proper casing appears to be all lower (mini-x-1gb)
<Turl> ok, let me sync my BSP and see if I can reproduce it
<Turl> auxym: it builds just fine for me, configuring with lowercase
<Turl> gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.8-2013.05_linux that's my toolchain
<Turl> I did make clean; ./configure mini-x-1gb; make u-boot
<auxym> Will do. just tried cleaning and configuring and now make gives me an error with libusb, let me check thta out and get back to you
<auxym> thank btw
<auxym> ph, and as per the wiki instructions, I'm doing make hwpack-install SD_CARD=/dev/sdf ROOTFS=../ArchLinuxARM-sun4i-latest.tar.gz
<oliv3r> Turl: what do I need to do to get boot0/1 output to microSD serial console
<oliv3r> edit fex file, and thatis it?
<Turl> I think so, yes
<Turl> you'll also need to update nanda uboot to output there too oliv3r
<oliv3r> so replace u-boot on nanda
<Turl> yeah, you need to build it from the lichee branch and with some special config to output to the sd pinmux instead of the other one
<Turl> I think it's the _sdcon boards, ask hno to confirm :)
<oliv3r> oh shit
<mnemoc> dumb question, what's the url of hansg's git?
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<mnemoc> (too much medicine, can't think)
<oliv3r> jhdg or something
<oliv3r> your browser history should pop up when you type :)
<mnemoc> thanks :)
<oliv3r> J = Johannes, short; hans :)
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<rz2k> 64x64 photos forever
<auxym> ok, fyi, i installed libusb-devel and now it seems to be compiling. I have no idea why I'm not getting the linker error anymore. guess the clean did it
<rz2k> mnemoc: get well soon, dude!
<mnemoc> rz2k: thanks :)
<oliv3r> mnemoc: how long till you are recoverd?
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<auxym> quick question while it's writing my sd card: if i boot it up, hooked up via hdmi to a display, will i get a console/framebuffer?
<rz2k> run make linux-config
<rz2k> in BSP folder
<rz2k> and check fbcon section
<rz2k> (should be enabled by default0
<rz2k> s/0/)/
<mnemoc> oliv3r: i should have like 40% of my original lungs capability in a month or so... but i don't plan to go out to run or go to hills on bike anyway ;)
<oliv3r> hehe
<oliv3r> collapsed lung?
<oliv3r> i take it you don't smoke?
<mnemoc> burned with chemicals.... mixing wrong things
<mnemoc> i've never smoked, tat probably helped
<auxym> great rz2k thanks
<auxym> mnemoc that's bad :\ can I ask what happened? job accident?
<rz2k> oh god, thats hardcore
* rz2k only had half a finger in chemical burn
<rz2k> ps: dont try interesting variants of ething PCBs if you dont know things
<mnemoc> auxym: bathroom cleaning chemicals, just stupidity
<rz2k> s/ething/etching/
<auxym> wow, that's scary, ill def be careful with my bathroom cleaning
<mnemoc> oliv3r: I have my next control the 4th, and after that moving somewhere in this continent where to find a job with physical coworkers.... been working isolated for too long already and that causes others sorts of issues that need to be cured too
<oliv3r> social issues?
<oliv3r> but you have us! we are very social
<mnemoc> typing is not talking
<mnemoc> i can't talk
<oliv3r> communication skills, i see
<oliv3r> other then bleach, i don't think i have anything scary in my bathroom
<mnemoc> and panic to people (4+) for example
<mnemoc> oliv3r: keep it away of vinager and/or chemicals to clean pipes
<oliv3r> ouch
<oliv3r> wow that's pretty heavy
<oliv3r> apply for a job @ free-electrons! :p
<mnemoc> you get a nice mix of cl_2 (used by nazis in their killing chambers) and cyanide and a lot of other corrosive gases
<mnemoc> oliv3r: would love to, but i don't qualify
<oliv3r> from vinegar?!
<oliv3r> oh wow, house-hold chemical warfare
<oliv3r> what are the requirements? I guess you have to speak french :)
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<mnemoc> vinegar is an acid used to clean surfaces
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<mnemoc> and bleach is a base....
<mnemoc> mix = death
<mripard_> oliv3r: not really, we mostly work in english, but we also work mostly remotely
<mripard_> (and we don't have any openings at the time)
<mripard_> mnemoc: what kind of job are you looking for?
<mnemoc> anything involving C, linux and humans
<auxym> i dont have an hdmi display on hand right now, but plugging in my mini-x with the sd card, the led is red and it doesnt get warm. bad news i guess. ill go borrow a display from my uni tonight
<oliv3r> heh, i won't tell you the hell hole i work at then :)
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<mnemoc> mripard_: by "humans" i don't mean having a humans around you 50h/w.... but 5h each 2w is cool
<mnemoc> mripard_: during my last 7y i only saw my boss during 5h and and some other coworkers for like 20h, all in one week
<mnemoc> so my social capabilities are crap
<mripard_> mnemoc: I see
<mnemoc> that probably explains why I pass so much time on irc....
<mripard_> I can't stand working remotely for more than a week, so I wouldn't have lasted that long
<oliv3r> i kinda like working with coworkers
<oliv3r> even if you mind your own business 90% of the time
<oliv3r> it's nice to be able to walk over and talk/ask/whine
<oliv3r> that's why i pester mripard_ so much :)
<mripard_> take a coffee
<mnemoc> :p
<mripard_> the coffee pause is probably what I miss the most :)
<oliv3r> i dn't drink coffee :p
<mripard_> that's not the point of the coffee pause :)
<auxym> i think id have a hard time not working with people for so long too. my dad is a sysadmin and has been telecommuting for something like 7 yars now an dseems to like it
<mnemoc> that particular event (coffee pause with other people) is one of the things I've idealized during these years
<mnemoc> but due to my social.... difficulties, a sysadmin job helping marketing apes is probably off-limits
<auxym> blah. marketing people are tough.
<oliv3r> boring
* mnemoc prefers to talk with engineers :p
<auxym> they promise ridiculous time frames to clients. in which you can only realistically deliver a prety shitty product
<auxym> so does every engineer, I'm afraid
<auxym> for the conversational preference, that is. not the timeframes
<oliv3r> heh, i'm somewhat adhd i guess, so can get quite 'hyper' from talking excting things :p
<mnemoc> auxym: the best part is when marketing sells for next month (and the company gets paid!) for software before the devs have any reference about the existance of the project....
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<auxym> technicians/shop-floor people can be cool too, especially the old "back in the days" guys... they often have good stories
<mnemoc> that's the sual style of my former employer]
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<auxym> mnemoc: i havent been first hand the software biz, but coming from mech engineering places, its not all that diffrent
<oliv3r> i hate marketing, sales and managers
<oliv3r> i understand 'why we need them'
<oliv3r> but really, no
<oliv3r> strongly dislike them
<Turl> small coops should be the way to go imo :)
<oliv3r> lol
<auxym> some managers are good. Working with a great manager, thats a great leader and understands what is going on is a very pleasant experience
<auxym> though often too rare
<drachensun> heh run your own business sometime, after you have to deal with all 'that stuff' for awhile, you'll find it makes you less personable as well :)
<Turl> drachensun: that's coming from a student with no formal work experience fwiw :p
<Turl> but I've seen people start small coops and succeed, and they like what they do :)
<auxym> personally, innovative startups is what I'm looking for after my degree. sort of tough to find ones that hire around here though, might have to look into moving to the us
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<oliv3r> mripard_: is the p2wi purely and only connected to the AXP? (which one?)
<mripard_> oliv3r: I have no idea
<mnemoc> if a manager is not a facilitator to help you work productively and on realistic timeframes it's an enemy
<oliv3r> mripard_: ok
<drachensun> turl: Thats the trouble I had, I like the software/hardware engineering, but its generally 75% admin, accounting, customer service, logistics, 25% dev work. At least thats been true so far
<drachensun> turl: I think you have to hit something really lucrative so you can just sub out the admin BS as much as possible
<Turl> drachensun: you need to get more people in to help you :
<Turl> :P*
<mnemoc> it took me 3 years to convince my boss a 486 with 256MB and 512MB of disc wasn't a good build server
<Turl> mnemoc: lol
<Turl> I hope you only needed to build helloworlds there
<mnemoc> then got a 5yo second hand DELL with a SATA 1GB drive :(
<oliv3r> mripard_: its not the axp209 is it
<mnemoc> err... not SATA.
<mnemoc> the thing that existed on servers on IDE times....
<mnemoc> forogot the name
<Turl> SAS?
<mnemoc> pre-SAS
<Turl> SCSI?
<mripard_> oliv3r: it's an AXP221
<mnemoc> SCSI!
<mnemoc> yes, that
<Turl> :)
<mnemoc> unupgradable
<mnemoc> a larger disc was more expensive than the whole server
<Turl> yeah, old stuff costs $$$
<mnemoc> on the 6th year, got a decent machine in hetzner
<mnemoc> begging your boss/manager for hardware to be PRODUCTIVE is depresing
<Turl> esp. when the time begging probably costed them more than renting something :P
<oliv3r> mripard_: do we have datasheeT?
<mnemoc> "what are you doing reading the newspaper?! .... compiling code".... it's so 80s
<mnemoc> if you waste more than 5s compiling, something is wrong
<oliv3r> i don't mind sysadmin (linux) i think it's pretty cool. BUT it costs way to much time
<Turl> mnemoc: building android takes more like 15m :P
<mnemoc> Turl: android is.... special :p
<oliv3r> time not dev-ing :)
<oliv3r> Turl: just to kernel? or the entire aosp/cm thing
<mripard_> oliv3r: I don't
<Turl> mnemoc: are you still in hunt for a job btw?
<mnemoc> by 5s i mean... an app/tool/kernel. not the whole system... full of java or C++ code
<Turl> oliv3r: entire thing, kernel is like 1m30s
<oliv3r> Turl: really? I thought it takes like HOURS
<Turl> oliv3r: well if you have a crap dual core pc with 2G ram probably :)
<Turl> oliv3r: if you have an i7 with 16G ram and an ssd it takes like 10m :)
<mripard_> oliv3r: with a normal machine and the latest Android, it does take hours
<mnemoc> Turl: first time only, if you oonly touch a couple of .c/.h rebuilding flies
<Turl> I'm talking 'from clean' times here, yes
<mripard_> Turl: compiling jelly bean on my laptop core i7 with 4GB of RAM and a SSD, 4.2 takes like ~1h15
<Turl> mripard_: the low ram is killing you
<mripard_> hmm
<Turl> mripard_: I can build it in like 15m and I'm using (cached) spinning rust
<mripard_> I meant core i5
<Turl> mripard_: try compcache/frontswap or one of those things :)
<mnemoc> 50E on hetzner gives you an i7 with 32GB of RAM and 2x3TB of disc
<oliv3r> i don't remember how long, but my phenom II x6 with 8gigs of ram took quitesome time to build cm 10.1
<oliv3r> wasn't 15 minutes
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<mripard_> mnemoc: yeah, I know, but I'm not very fond of build servers
<mnemoc> i prefer battery life ;-)
<Turl> mripard_: but really, upgrade your ram to 16 or 8 even and it should be waaay faster to build
<Turl> make it a company expense ;)
<mnemoc> Turl: of course build servers are customer/company expense :p
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<oliv3r> my laptop is single core 4gb
<oliv3r> erm 2gb ram
<oliv3r> pentium-m :)
<Turl> oliv3r: your outlook is long hours :P better build overnight on it
<mnemoc> amd e350/4GB/120GB here. 11.6"
<Turl> mnemoc: upgrading your laptop is not always so though :P
<mnemoc> Turl: i will... when they launche a chromebook pixel with exynos5 octa :p
<mnemoc> (or equivalent)
<oliv3r> i don't compile android on my laptop :)
<Turl> mnemoc: I was looking at the mem bandwidth of that thing the other day (pixel)
<oliv3r> but on laptop in bed now :p
<mnemoc> but for me 11.6-13.3" is the only valid range
<Turl> it was like.. zomg beats my desktop
<oliv3r> mnemoc: what was the sate of hansg's tree?
<mnemoc> oliv3r: meh. coffee break over. let me add the remote :p
<Turl> mnemoc: btw, I pushed two patches to staging the other day, might want to pull first before merging anything
<mnemoc> Turl: ok
<oliv3r> mnemoc: lol oh not at all; was just curious is all
<mnemoc> oliv3r: i've been 3w+ on "vacations" and without irc... it's hard to re-start "working" :p
<oliv3r> mnemoc: also, lkcl got aw to relase boot0/1 code as gpl; only for a20 for now, but should be the rest oto
<mnemoc> :o
<oliv3r> i doubt they'll release the brom code; but i think lkcl is pushing that too
<mnemoc> and still need to decide the destination of my train of july 4th....
<oliv3r> wingrime and nove have got a reverse engineerd jpeg decoder and are working on mpeg12 now
<Turl> bbl :) I launched a timed build of android
<oliv3r> mnemoc: home to your faimly?
<mnemoc> oliv3r: got banned in march. living in hostels and per-week apartments since then. but can't afford that anymore, so need to move, and rent a 1room thing for a year in a place where to find a real job
<oliv3r> i thought you moved into one of thos enew appartments
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<mnemoc> yes, got kicked out immediatelly after renting/furnishing the new apartment
<mnemoc> code is simpler than ife
<mnemoc> life
<mnemoc> back to hangs's tree
<oliv3r> ouch :S so where's your family staying?
<mnemoc> in that apartment...
<oliv3r> so you got kicked out and they are still in
<mnemoc> yup
<oliv3r> how does that work :S
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<mnemoc> simple, the jobless mother of your children claims you are a risk to her life, and magic. you have to leep paying everything, stay 500m away (min) of of the place, and she can do whatever she wants with your stuff and "invite" in whoever she wants
<mnemoc> s/leep/keep/
<mnemoc> and she gets perpetural residencen right and state help
<mnemoc> very simple procedure
<mnemoc> and everything free
<mnemoc> and without needing to demostrate anything
<oliv3r> oh wow
<drachensun> ouch
<oliv3r> i hope you both agreed with that as a 'work around'
<oliv3r> then again; better not answer :)
<mnemoc> there is no agreement is "violence" (and only violence gives residence to not-eu women)
<mnemoc> every easy and smooth procedure
<drachensun> they do BS like that here too, believe the woman, the man is obviously an abusive low life
<mnemoc> yup
<drachensun> a friend of mine had an abusive mother and one night they actually called the cops over her abusing the father, well policy was, the man goes to jail for the night
<drachensun> even though the woman was who the kids said was the problem
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<drachensun> so she then spent the night beating the kids for calling the cops and the father could no longer do anything about it
<mnemoc> the diff between equality and possitive discrimination
<drachensun> yup
<oliv3r> i ment, agreement as in like 'ok we do this and atleast you get money + a roof while i find a new place + job'
<mnemoc> oliv3r: agreement is "I keep everything, you keep paying everything, and if there is anything else I want and you don't give me I'll call the police telling yout threatened me"
<oliv3r> oh, ouch, just because you lost you rjob?1
<mnemoc> i lost my job now in june. this hapenend in march when she convinced me to move to a new apartment because the other was too old (30y)
<mnemoc> next week, right after mounting the ikea furniture, got kicked out
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<oliv3r> ok that's really ... weird
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<oliv3r> sounds like one of those 'never saw that comming' cases
<mnemoc> it;s not weird. it's smart use of the laws and strategy to get free life and perpetual EU residence
<mnemoc> right. i was blind
<mnemoc> and trustful.... i.e. stupid
<mnemoc> but... need to focus in reseting my life.... away from here, and in a place where I can work not-isolated
<mnemoc> and merge hansg commits ;-)
<mnemoc> and why the f* github is refusing my ssh key!?!
<oliv3r> did she steal your keys?
<oliv3r> how long have you been togheteR? I mean, you have what, 3 children?
<oliv3r> that can't be JUST about free eu life?
<mnemoc> 13y, 2 children
<oliv3r> 13y is morethen just a passport
<mnemoc> the big change seems to be the extra individual who is now living in my daughters apartment
<mnemoc> residence for not-eu people not working is bound to marriage with EU citizens..... unless the husband dies or there is a divorce by violence
<mnemoc> after 5y working she could have asked for .es nationality
<mnemoc> but not the case
<mnemoc> and a normal divorce doesn't give free life
<mnemoc> and as violence can be psycological, women only need to cry a bit to take any declaration as true
<mnemoc> while on the other direction even physical attacks are at most "faults"
<oliv3r> so she cheated, lied to get things done
<oliv3r> nice, very nice
<mnemoc> adultery is not illegal in spain
<mnemoc> not sure in .nl
<mnemoc> it can't even be use as defense to justify a discussion
<oliv3r> it's not illegal here either; it is in the USA i think
<oliv3r> oh wow, .es is relaly way to easy
<mnemoc> you are just expcted to request a divorce. but that divorce wouldn't give her residence
<drachensun> its not illegal here
<drachensun> but it can make you 'at fault' in a divorce proceding
<techn__> mnemoc: wb :)
<mnemoc> techn__: thanks :)
<techn__> sorry to hear your current life situation :(
<mnemoc> it's already assimilated
<techn__> I'll hope you get life on track soon :)
<mnemoc> me too
<techn__> btw. google was offering jobs for some sunxi ppl
<mnemoc> o_O
<rz2k> samsung offered me a job yesterday
<rz2k> again, hehe.
<rz2k> they send invitations each year for people about linux who want to move to s. korea
<drachensun> not ready to live gangnam style?
<oliv3r> resistance is futile
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<oliv3r> move to s. korea?ouch
<rz2k> dont mind .ru
<rz2k> it is in english
<oliv3r> i can't move to s. korea
<oliv3r> google contacted me too, but unrelated to sunxi
<rz2k> go develop new exynos :p
<oliv3r> i think we still need better code for exynos 4
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<rz2k> drachensun: dont think that I will handle both work and new language
<rz2k> but I have a friend that has a friend who moved like that, he lives fine, might get info on that.
<oliv3r> too much to leave behind
<oliv3r> family, partner
<drachensun> rz2k: I just saw the opportunity to actually say 'gangam style' in context, I couldn't resist. Yeah, I don't know if I would move someplace where I dont speak the language unless I just couldn't find any work
<drachensun> plus SE asian languages are hard
<drachensun> tonal
<drachensun> have to speak differently to your boss
<drachensun> vs your subordinates
<rz2k> yep
<rm> japanese is easy to speak, chinese is the hardest
<rm> and korean has some truly bizzare sounds
<rm> like russian but weirder :P
<Turl> real20m10.269s
<Turl> ^ time to build android from clean and cold caches
<oliv3r> cm?
<Turl> yes
<oliv3r> not bad
<oliv3r> i should time it someitme
<techn__> For me it took 4~ hours with 4 cores and 3gigs of ram inside vbox
<Turl> yeah, you people lack ram :P
<Turl> linking clang and webkit use quite a bit of ram :)
<mripard_> Turl: clang?
<mripard_> there's clang in android?
<mripard_> I knew about llvm for renderscript
<mripard_> but didn't about clang
<oliv3r> i have 8gigs in a lxc
<Turl> mripard_: maybe it's llvm, let me check
<Turl> mripard_: external/clang, there it is :)
<mripard_> Turl: I don't know, I'm just asking :)
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<mripard_> Turl: from a quick look at the, it's not really used but for "td files"
<mripard_> whatever that is
<mripard_> ah, and there files only used in llvm
<mripard_> so they would need clang on the host to compile llvm
<mripard_> which would make some sense
<Turl> yeah it's compiled for the host, not the target
<mripard_> and apparently, they only use a tdgen binary
<mripard_> not the full clang stuff
<Turl> see if you have out/host/linux-x86/bin/clang
<Turl> I do because I just mmm -B'd the directory
<mripard_> but yeah, when compiling Android, openssl/llvm/webkit is the death triangle
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<mripard_> hmmm, right
<Turl> I never noticed openssl building
<Turl> imo frameworks-res is worse :P
<mripard_> I never noticed framework-res :)
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<hramrach__> s korea sounds fun. that's where things are moving forward right now
<oliv3r> true true
<oliv3r> mripard_: my fingers are hurting from all the typing! so many defines :S i'll mail it tomorrow as a 'progress report' kind of thing
<Turl> oliv3r: what are you working on? :)
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<Turl> I just beefed up the wiki questions - again :(
<Turl> spammy signuppers seem to be smarter nowadays
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