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<derethor> oliv3r, the otg has another pin to detect if you are the host or the device
<derethor> it is on the connector
<derethor> probably, you are not connecting the pin
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<vincenzo> goodix_touch_3f.ko anyone found it somehere?
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<derethor> it is possible to compile uboot and the kernel using the official gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf from ubuntu?
<derethor> i guess, it will be slower, but it is possible at least?
<derethor> i got this error : error: required section '.rel.plt' not found in the linker script
<derethor> eps
<derethor> my fault, sorry
<derethor> i didnt put the a13olinuxinom parameter when I call make
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<stekern> hno: I thought it might be appropriate to move our discussion from #openrisc into here, since people here might be more interested (or just be more able to help me out with my sunxi questions ;))
<stekern> others: quick summary - I'm investigating the ar100 openrisc core on the a31 soc, I've put up my findings so far here:
<stekern> oh, I also see that you've created a wiki page for ar100, I presume I can update that as I make progress?
<stekern> anyways, you were right about the clocking being configurable, possible clock sources are: LOSC (31 kHZ), HOSC (24 MHz) and PLL6
<rz2k> stekern: update wiki without questions, any help is appreciated :p
<stekern> rz2k: cool, thanks
<rz2k> if you are able to run some benchmarks on A31, you can add something to too
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<oliv3r> so just to confirm, as i expected of course, i have to solder pin 4 to GND when connecting a slave device (such as a keyboard)
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<hno> hi stekern
<hno> stekern, yes please update the AR100 wiki page. I tried to collect what I could understand from the #openrisc discussion.
<hno> wonder how high it can be clocked.. pll6 is fairly fast normally. Does it also have a clock divisor?
<stekern> yes, the ar100 clock configuration register have a 5-bit divider part
<stekern> I'm not sure if information from this can be applied to a31:, but where does that 240 MHz - 2 GHz limitation that is mentioned on PLL6 come from?
<oliv3r> stekern: the usermanual :)
<stekern> I'm also curious how fast it can be clocked, I did a quick test with PLL6 in the morning before running off to work.
<stekern> I thought the values on N, M and K where 0, 0 and 0 and 1, 1 and 1
<stekern> but I had a bug in my test software, so N was actually 24
<stekern> and N = 24, M = 0 and K = 0 didn't crash and N = 24, M = 1 and K = 1 did crash
<stekern> that gives 300 MHz vs 600 MHz
<stekern> so >= 600 MHz is at least _not_ possible =P
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<stekern> oliv3r: ah, I see, thanks
<oliv3r> I think if you connect PLL6 to something that can actually run at 2GHz
<oliv3r> and nothing else
<oliv3r> it shoudl work
<stekern> yeah, I was speaking of the limits of the ar100 core here
<oliv3r> lol yeah that won't work at 2 GHz idon't think :D
<stekern> most probably not ;)
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<Turl> stekern: going by the A1X definition of PLL6 that's not 300 vs 600Mhz is it?
<Turl> stekern: both of them look like 96MHz to me
<stekern> (24 * (24 + 1) * (1 + 1))/2 = 600, no?
<Turl> stekern: N doesn't take +1
<Turl> and yeah, if you measure for 'other module' (I was calculating the sata output) it'd be 288 vs 576
<stekern> mmm
<stekern> from the allwinner sun6i linux code it looks like N should be +1 though
<stekern> but that's pretty uncertain
<stekern> I need to improve my clock frequency measuring routine to get some more definite information
<Turl> I haven't looked at the sun6i code, but it's possible, yes
<stekern> this is the part where I got the +1 from:;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-sun6i/clock/sys_clk.c;h=e38ffec401b99d1703d075f2714d233c408c7df1;hb=4d6537b9e473af95baef30c2cdf232b5253e0640#l734
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<derethor> the A31 has a openrisc inside? that totally blows my mind
<rm> heheh
<rm> I wonder can you just run the OS on the OpenRISC
<rm> not even touching any of the 4 cores
<oliv3r> i just noticed i forgot to include the sunxi-ML on my patch :( added it now though
<derethor> that confirms my idea that the only thing that stops allwinner to the complete world domination, is the lack of documentation
<oliv3r> derethor: yeah, i think it'll be used for the baseband, akak phone function
<oliv3r> derethor: lol tell lkcl :)
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<derethor> lkcl works in allwinner?
<derethor> i dunno
<derethor> btw, do you have a mailing list guys?
<stekern> rm: unfortunately, the openrisc core is configured without an MMU, otherwise it'd be completely possible to boot the existing openrisc Linux port on it
<derethor> but it has interruptions? like realtime interrupts?
<derethor> because that will be totally awesome
<derethor> i see a /dev/openrisc or someting with realtime features
<derethor> shit, now i want an A31
<stekern> I'm not sure what's connected to the irq lines of it, but it does have an interrupt controller implemented
<derethor> i see, your code boots the openrisc, but it is possible the communication between the arm and the openrisc?
<derethor> i mean, they share an addr space or soemthing?
<derethor> or, you can only run one architecture at the same time?
<stekern> well, you can access the DRAM from the openrisc core (and the internal SRAM at 0x0 + virtually all I/O addresses)
<stekern> so, yes, you can communicate between them
<derethor> omg
<derethor> that is geek porn
<derethor> so, you only need a locking mecanism, and you can queue commands, and run them in realtime, from linux
<stekern> I meant internal SRAM at 0x44000
<derethor> in your code, is see #ifdef CONFIG_SUN6I_FPGA
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<derethor> now tell me that the a31 has also a fpga
<derethor> :)
<derethor> i guess it is their fpga for testing
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<hno> derethor, thats remains from when they tested the sun6i design on FPGA.
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<derethor> hno: which compiler should i use to build the kernel? i am in linux mint
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<hno> derethor, I use Linaro 4.7 toolchain, but there is many other ARM toolchains.
<hno> just avoid 4.8 for now.
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<edeloget> hno: is there any issue with 4.8 ?
<oliv3r> edeloget: it produces garbage that doesn't run properly, we don't know why yet
<rz2k> edeloget: mainline arm exynos kernel doesnt launch on odroid
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<rz2k> with 4.8
<rz2k> now imagine our sunxi old kernel with ton of hacks
<oliv3r> stekern: soft-mmu? :D Wasn' there uCLinux that did just that
<oliv3r> stekern: if i'm not mistaken, those patches are even mainlined
<oliv3r> derethor: we suspect the ar100 will be used to control a modem of some sort e.g. baseband radio which needs a small fast realtime kernel
<hno> oliv3r, ?
<hno> The current use in the kernel is pretty clear and far from that. Have you found some other?
<derethor> and, do you know a good .config ? i have an a13 olinuxino micro
<oliv3r> it was suspected that with phablet devices, where there's actual phone functionality it will be used for that
<oliv3r> right now, yes it only does standby doesn't it
<hno> yes
<hno> there is no radio in the sunxi chips that I know of.
<edeloget> rz2k: bad. do you have any link ?
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<oliv3r> well the radio would be connected to the AR100 so would be outside
<oliv3r> but it's not usedas of yet
<oliv3r> has anybody seen an a31s 'phablet' yet?
<derethor> $ arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.7 --version
<derethor> arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.7 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1) 4.7.2
<stekern> oliv3r: that could actually explain some of the features that are enabled in the core (like hardware mul, div and multipy-accumulate unit)
<derethor> this one is okey, right? the kernel compiles
<derethor> and the uboot
<stekern> and re uclinux, yes, that's an option, just not 'out-of-the-box'
<oliv3r> stekern: aren't those mmu patches integrated long ago?
<oliv3r> Statements longer than 80 columns will be broken into sensible chunks.
<oliv3r> Descendants are always substantially shorter than the parent and are placed
<oliv3r> substantially to the right.
<stekern> yes, but the openrisc linux port still assumes mmu
<oliv3r> how does checkpatch deal with that?
<oliv3r> because for me it always complains
<oliv3r> stekern: isn't the port upstreamed yet?
<stekern> yes, it's upstream, and still assumes that an MMU is available ;)
<oliv3r> stekern: so a patch is needed to make the mmu enable option compatible with openrisk >: )
<stekern> spot on
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<hno> oliv3r, AR100 is very much inside the chip.
<oliv3r> yes, but the radio/baseband it would controll not
<oliv3r> so we have some external radio, that's controlled by the ar100
<hno> is there pins for it?
<oliv3r> this so you can have a small RTL or the like on it
<oliv3r> i haven't checked the pinout
<oliv3r> do we have the pinout allready? maybe in the datasheet for the a31
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<hno> I haven't even seen a datasheet yet. Only marketing brief.
<derethor> is there any diference if I use /dev/sdX instead of /dev/mmcblkX to build the sdcard?
<hno> derethor, the name depends on how you have connected the sdcard to your computer.
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<stekern> hno, oliv3r: this "datasheet" has the pinouts:
<stekern> I don't think that link is anywhere on the wiki (at least not on the a31 page), but google finds it
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<derethor> do you know how much it cost an A31 chip? if I order like 10 units...
<derethor> 20/30 € maybe, or more?
<Turl> drachensun: try looking in aliexpress/alibaba
<Turl> err, derethor ^
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<derethor> nice, they can send them directly to my pcb assembly suppliers... i will contact them
<derethor> i was thinking to ask directly to allwinner, I didnt think in alibaba
<derethor> but sure, there are comapnies with bulk chips for sale, sure
<derethor> thank you
<hno> derethor, you don't get chips directly from Allwinner unless you either are buying volume or already is an established customer.
<derethor> i imagine that, i already asked some pcb assemblers, and of course, they said they can get them, but i am not very sure
<derethor> it would be easier if i can buy them, and send them to the pcb assembler
<derethor> i am thinking to assemble a simple board to test if i can boot it :) before anything strange
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<hno> derethor, please do an open hardware design if you can. And also speak to Olimex on the matter.
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<stekern> I can confirm that the a31 PLL6 formula uses N+1 (i.e. (24*(N+1)*(K+1))/2)
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<hno> steev, no M?
<hno> sorry, meant stekern ^
<stekern> there is an M factor, but it's not used for the ar100 clocking at least
<stekern> it's the same as in the "Others" formula for a10 PLL6 (except the +1 on N)
<hno> I would not pe supriced if it's really +1 on the A10 as well. A multiplier of 0 makes no sense, and documentation aroung PLL6 is a bit confusing...
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<soul> It's possible to do this: without a sd card?
<nove> soul, it is, use the android usb storage mode
<soul> nove: Ok thanks :D
<mripard> Turl:
<mripard> Turl: ping
<mripard> (sorry)
<hno> soul, just use "adb shell".
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<hno> and "adb put" to transter things to the board.
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<hno> Hm... is the wiki unreachable on ipv4?
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<soul> hno: Sorry, everything is new to me. adb is a command?
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<hno> soul, yes, "Android Debug Bridge". Part of android-tools package.
<soul> hno: For what is that? It seems that I have to read more xD
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<oliv3r> soul: adb is like 'putty on steroids for android'
<oliv3r> for example, adb shell, opens a shell from your connected device, as if you would telnet into it
<oliv3r> you can do adb push/pull just like you would scp file dest/dest file
<oliv3r> and of coruse much more is possible, try adb --help
<soul> Ohhhhh
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<oliv3r> A31 has 1wire bus
<oliv3r> pin PM2
<oliv3r> Function 3
<oliv3r> Efuse_VDD is called VDDQE
<oliv3r> but dropped the 2 IR rx/tx for 1 rx
<oliv3r> vddqe is pin 19
<oliv3r> appearantly 'super-standby' on the A31 is hibernate
<oliv3r> erm
<oliv3r> nevermind that was stupid
<oliv3r> When the system is powered on for the first time
<oliv3r> ;
<oliv3r> , CPU0 will run Boot Rom to scan external storage
<oliv3r> interface
<oliv3r> when the system is powered on from super standby mode, CPU0 will run Boot Rom to check the super
<oliv3r> standby flag and then jump to internal SRAM.
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<Turl> mripard: pong
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<mripard> Turl: hi :)
<mripard> Turl: are you ok with the v2 of the a10s-olinuxino DT i sent?
<mripard> I'm waiting for it to send the pull request :)
<mripard> it can wait until tomorrow if you want to take some time to look at it though.
<Turl> mripard: looks good, other than the label = "a10s-olinuxino-micro:green:usr"; which I don't particularly like much, but that's pure nitpicking
<mripard> what would you have chosen ?
<Turl> a10s-olinuxino-micro::green I guess
<Turl> but not a big deal in any case, go ahead :)
<mripard> which doesn't follow the LED naming convention :)
<Turl> mripard: it doesn't? :/
<mripard> nope
<mripard> LED Device Naming Is currently of the form: "devicename:colour:function"
<mripard> Documentation/leds/leds-class.txt
<Turl> mripard: add a 3rd patch to fix the cubie ones then :P
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<oliv3r> a crap
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<oliv3r> and now it's worse
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<oliv3r> threading got somehow messed up :( sorry :p
<mripard> oliv3r: yeah, that's what I was going to tell you :)
<oliv3r> lol sorry
<mripard> and you sent three times the same patch :)
<mripard> also, something that you should know is that the version is usually put next to PATCH
<mripard> inside the brackets
<oliv3r> can I just edit that when written the --cover-letter --annotate?
<oliv3r> and you tell me that on v4! :p
<mripard> since this part will be removed, while the rest of the subject will become the commit log
<oliv3r> is it still eligable
<mripard> (well, at least the first line of it)
<oliv3r> ohhh ok
<hramrach_> there is that prefix flag that does it for you
<oliv3r> hramrach_: what do you mean?
<mripard> and yes, like hramrach_ says, format-patch takes --subject-prefix to modify what's inside of the brackets
<oliv3r> i've read about that before yeah
<oliv3r> so i cannot edit it in the 'cover letter' then
<oliv3r> ok i'll add that to my command list
<mripard> well, I'm not sure what's your workflow, but I usually do git format-patch --cover --subject-prefix="PATCHvX"
<mripard> and then git send-email on the generated patches
<mripard> which allows to edit all the files you want if you want to
<hramrach_> you probably can edit it but the flag saves you some editing
<oliv3r> mripard: Reviewed-by: Tomasz Figa <>
<oliv3r> yay
<hramrach_> also the PATCH is implied the prefix only takes the other junk
<oliv3r> well with --cover-letter you have to write the subject anyway, adding the vX in is probably less typing then --subject-precix="PATCHvX" :)
<mripard> hramrach_: really ?
<oliv3r> ah so it's --subject-prefix="vX"?
<mripard> I've always put the whole PATCH thing :)
<hramrach_> yes, works for me that way
<mripard> ok, good to know :)
<hramrach_> it possibly strips PATCH if present
<oliv3r> --subject-prefix="vX" it will be from now on
<mripard> yeah, looks that way
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<n01> uh .. rtc seems working :)
<oliv3r> n01: nice one
<oliv3r> n01: i've also started on rtc, for u-boot; but it's very early and very experimental :)
<n01> mripard: btw I didn't have any feedback for v5 wdt patch .... I have to ping or what?
<n01> well apart from your ack
<n01> I mean, should I get some other kind of feedback or not?
<n01> oliv3r: cool :) my driver still requires a lot of testing and cleanup
<mripard> n01: yeah, ping the watchdog maintainers
<n01> ok, maintaining in CC al the others?
<mripard> yep
<hramrach_> ping watchdog maintainers :-)
<n01> ok :)
<oliv3r> n01: you never fixed WDT_MODE_TIMEOUT(0x0F) :p
<oliv3r> n01: thomasz will probably also tell you to remove DRV_VERSION :)
<n01> hahah c'mon
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<oliv3r> n01: btw, how do you handle 7 seconds?
<n01> you cannot handle 7 seconds :) wdt driver automatically switches to the closest timeout
<oliv3r> u-boot doesn't have a wdt framework, so i copied your table and added stuff to it :)
<n01> oliv3r: I prefer my hack ( timeout++; )
<oliv3r> i see
<oliv3r> lol
<oliv3r> technically, yours is worse :D
<oliv3r> the array is defined to be 16 entries long anyway
<oliv3r> with the missing ones being just 0
<oliv3r> so the memory requirements are the same :)
<oliv3r> however you need an if, an inc and al ook up extra :p
<oliv3r> not that it matters :)
<n01> :D right, but I still prefer timeout++ ;)
<n01> (no offense)
<oliv3r> wasting cpu cycles!, think of the tree's!
<n01> lol
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<oliv3r> pong
<oliv3r> ok maybe that wasn't funny :)
<oliv3r> hno: more spam :)
<oliv3r> nfs porn?
<Turl> chinese shipping & handling
<oliv3r> omg that guy is an idiot
<oliv3r> not for just breaking the stuff
<oliv3r> but for having to do the work twice
<oliv3r> hno: shit sorry forgot to rebase
<Turl> oliv3r: his accuracy is pretty bad too :P
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<n01> Turl: redditor? ;)
<Turl> n01: hm?
<n01> the video is on the frontpage on
<Turl> heh
<n01> thought you were also a fellow reddit user
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<soul> I'm trying to do the tenth step without a sdcard. When I do "cat <path-to>/a10-meminfo-static > /data/cache/a10-meminfo-static" I get:
<soul> It will work If I create a directory on / as "cat <path-to>/a10-meminfo-static > /new_directory/a10-meminfo-static"?
<soul> sh: cannot create /data/cache/a10-meminfo-static: No such file or directory.
<hno> soul, which tenth step?
<soul> Ops, I forget to add the link
<soul> Sorry hno
<hno> If you put the file to the device using adb then jump immediately to stel 11.
<hno> step.
<hno> using whatever path you put the file with adb.
<hno> here is no need to use /data/cache, or even saving the data to a file. Just copy-paste the output of a10-meminfo from the terminal.
<soul> hno: I'm not using adb because I got I put the file via usb wire
<hno> soul, you may need to start adb as root once.. pkill adb, then start adb as root.
<hno> it starts a daemon, and after that you can run adb as normal user.
<soul> I did it as root
<soul> Don't worry hno, I want to delete Android so... xD
<hno> odd. maybe adb is not enabled in your android system settings. But never mind, it's not much you need to do so easier to just do it than figuring out why you have no adb..
<soul> Correct xD
<soul> So... hno, can I do it this way or what I have to doy? Sorry if I disturb :P
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<hno> soul, you can use any path you like, just find somewhere writeable that can take executables.
<hno> mount -o remount,rw /
<soul> ok thanks hno
<hno> might do the trick for / if it's not writeable.
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<hno> /data/cache is just an example of a path that often is writeable and can take executables.
<Turl> hno: on android / is a ramdisk, remounting rw does the trick, but the android mount binary usually sucks so you may need to pass an extra garbage argument
<Turl> like mount -o remount,rw nevermind /
<hno> Aha.. they got free braindamage from nih, nothing extra charged. Or busybox mount -o remount,rw / to keep some sanity.
<Turl> hno: I think it's more like "not apache licensed" rather than nih
<soul> Ok
<soul> I did the first
<soul> I have the meminfo dump!! :D (I don't know for what is it but I have it!! xD )
<soul> Now I have to pick the script.bin
<hno> good.
<hno> and then transfer them both so you can mail them.
<soul> But I don't understand how to do the steps for script.bin.
<hno> what part?
<soul> There is no script.bin file like a10-meminfo-static
<hno> The script.bin file is on the device. You need to extract it.
<soul> What's nanda?
<hno> one partition of the nand flash inside your device.
<hno> See step 8 in the script.bin instructions.
<soul> oh
<soul> Let me try it, thanks and sorry
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<soul> Ok done!
<soul> Oh, I forgot that somebody told me that I have to create a wiki page for my tablet
<soul> But... If I can't install a distro, It will be empty :S
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<soul> Can I add my real name after?
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<soul> Ok, yes
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