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<theOzzieRat>
for some reason it won't work with git:// today, but only for linux-sunxi, others are fine. Downloading using https:// instead
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<oliv3r>
wingrime: iqidctinput register looks interesting, inverse dct (and forward) are ususally expensive CPU operations, having those be done in hardware is pretty cool
<oliv3r>
iirc dct/idct is key to FFT's; and FFT's are pretty important, so we could even do a libfft that's hardware accelerated :)
<oliv3r>
to do hardware encoding though, the forward dct is needed also, didn't see that in those sources yet :(
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<oliv3r>
morning tom!
<oliv3r>
how are things!
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: ping
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<mnemoc>
oliv3r: pong
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: apt-get install cgit :p
<mnemoc>
iirc the version of cgit in ubuntu is ancient
<oliv3r>
was an update posted on phoronix today, which reminded me
<oliv3r>
apt-get install lxr?
<mnemoc>
i totally agree in the need of git mirrors and lxr. but not so sure about the web interface. having a bad time with bw usage with dl. already :(
<mnemoc>
also postfix and mailman are on the TODO
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: ok ok; i'm sorry i'm pushing it :p
<oliv3r>
maybe i'll do a git mirror
<oliv3r>
i have 'unlimited' bw
<oliv3r>
100Mbit ftth
<oliv3r>
just not sure if I want the constant hammering on my server
<oliv3r>
since it may hurt my other uses of the connection
<mnemoc>
that's why we delegate that into github
<oliv3r>
true
<oliv3r>
but github is being trouble some :(
<oliv3r>
and what's the biggest user of BW
<mnemoc>
build-and-maintain-your-own is far more troublesome than using github or google groups
<mnemoc>
the full-sd/nand images
<oliv3r>
for biiger orgs, maybe
<oliv3r>
for me, i prefer my own mailserver ;) and it's reasonably troublefree once setup :)
<oliv3r>
bit/github/orious/bucket i don't mind, they are hosting a copy of my local open source
<mnemoc>
having an open mailing list (to allow cross posting) brings serious spam issues
<mnemoc>
and maintainance nightmares
<oliv3r>
i suppose if GG worked properly, as a public mailing list, no issue; but for my private mail, gmail, noty
<oliv3r>
oh yeah, my mail servers get hammer with 40-60k spam per month
<oliv3r>
we should find a spot to offload the full-sd/nand images :p
<mnemoc>
it's still within the monthly quota, but adding a git might get it out of control
<oliv3r>
or get a donation button up for a dl bw
<oliv3r>
well github should be the main resource to use
<oliv3r>
maybe clone github to bitbucket and gitorious
<oliv3r>
so people can clone from any, if one is slow/down
<oliv3r>
oh yay, found my bug i think
<oliv3r>
bug fixing time :)
<mnemoc>
we need the mirror for lxr anyway, but it doesn't need to be.... advertised
<mnemoc>
tested the latex thing you requested yesterday?
<oliv3r>
no :(
<oliv3r>
slapin_nb: requested it!
<oliv3r>
i do like it a lot though, to render those bitfields with it
<oliv3r>
i'm thinking of copying the math plugin and renaming it, and work from there
<mnemoc>
you get me the mw extension using it, and I give you the lxr and git mirrors
<oliv3r>
LOL
<mnemoc>
deal?
<oliv3r>
but need to fix the driver :(
<oliv3r>
and write the other one
<mnemoc>
:)
<oliv3r>
copy + rename the math extension to bytefield extension and get me lxr :p
<oliv3r>
lxr points to a certain kernel tree, right? stage/3.4?
<mnemoc>
i think it uses tags
<mnemoc>
but haven't had time to look into it yet
<oliv3r>
ah ok
<oliv3r>
i thought it looked into a flat tree
<oliv3r>
but if it integrates with git, even better
<mnemoc>
don't know. haven't dived into that yet
<e-ndy>
hno, mnemoc ping hi, u-boot from sunxi-current can be placed on nand?
<mnemoc>
no
<mnemoc>
only lichee-dev supports nand
<mnemoc>
yet
<oliv3r>
I have a weak feeling, our u-boot will only do mtd nand, not AW nand
<mnemoc>
i was kind of sure about that....
<mnemoc>
sunxi-current aims at mainline, aw's nand driver is not mainlineable
<e-ndy>
and does lichee-dev supports booting from sata?
<mnemoc>
e-ndy: not u-boot's problem
<mnemoc>
e-ndy: pass the right root=
<e-ndy>
mnemoc, i mean loading kernel and initrd form sata drive
<mnemoc>
e-ndy: maybe with kexec
<mnemoc>
the BROM doesn't support SATA booting
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: let me rephrase, I don't think anybody will polish the AW nand driver in u-boot to make it better usable, and I don' thtink anybody will port it to the SPL
<mnemoc>
ack
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<oliv3r>
you can 'boot' from sata, if you load a SPL+u-boot from MMC or nand first :p the kernel can do sata, but needs to be stored on something it _can_ read, e.g. mmc, spi-nor, nand
<oliv3r>
yeah, driver fixed
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<oliv3r>
not quite understand the bug; but it's squashed!
<oliv3r>
because I did something really stupid, why else
<rellla>
oliv3r: you were right yesterday with aw ;)
<mnemoc>
no rely?
<mnemoc>
reply*
<oliv3r>
of course no reply :p
<oliv3r>
I hoped your hopes would have been better of course :)
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<rellla>
lol, "of course"
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<rellla>
i have bigger hopes the replies from aw ;)
<oliv3r>
:p
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<oliv3r>
so hiboi, lkcl; any word on an A20 usermanual?
<mnemoc>
btw, any comment regarding the posted w1 driver?
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<oliv3r>
i don't have any 1-wire interfaces, so can't test
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<hramrach_>
heh, 1-wire
<hramrach_>
I read even about using old Matrox cards for 1-wire but have not seen a 1-wire device
<oliv3r>
i do like the whole 1 wire concept
<oliv3r>
signal + power in 1 wire; gnd on the other
<hramrach_>
or not at all
<hramrach_>
it's nice but in absence of devices it's useless
<oliv3r>
i suppose if you gnd 'somewhere else' you don't need gnd
<oliv3r>
well there's 1 wire 'keys'; 1 wire sensors
<oliv3r>
there ARE devices
<hramrach_>
the whole 1-wire thing is about using only 1 contact
<hramrach_>
so no gnd
<hramrach_>
thre were those 1wire tokens and those were definitely not grounded anywhere
<oliv3r>
which should have been the aim; but we can only encourage him to shoot that high
<mnemoc>
for the legacy branches we need script.bin-based anyway
<oliv3r>
true that; just accept it :)
<mnemoc>
:)
<mnemoc>
feedback regarding hramrach's defconfig patchset is also welcomed :p
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<oliv3r>
you expect to much of me!
<mnemoc>
you in english is plural too ;-)
<mnemoc>
(no idea about the dutch equivalent)
<oliv3r>
jullie, jij; we don' thave 1 word
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: postiive pushing
<mnemoc>
:)
<mnemoc>
hansg: hey! and my soc-detect boot log? :)
<Turl>
oliv3r: it exists..
<Turl>
gpio-1w iirc :p
<Turl>
let me check
<hansg>
mnemoc, hey, sorry did not get around to testing your soc-detect work yet. Should be able to do that today.
<slapin_nb>
hi, all!
<mnemoc>
hansg: thanks :)
<Turl>
drivers/w1/masters/w1-gpio.c
<slapin_nb>
have anybody tested A10's ethernet, can it handle 100mbit in full?
<Turl>
slapin_nb: hi
<wigyori>
morning
<Turl>
slapin_nb: with mainline driver it pretty much can :D (while also eating your CPU, little detail there :P)
<slapin_nb>
don't use gpio 1wire if you can afford the driver chip and 1w is important enough and used often
<slapin_nb>
Turl: so no DMA there?
<Turl>
slapin_nb: with AW driver on linux-sunxi, ethernet is full of mixed experiences
<Turl>
slapin_nb: indeed, mainline has no dma yet
<slapin_nb>
how big is load?
<Turl>
slapin_nb: iperf does like 90-something Mb iirc, but uses all CPU as seen on htop
<hramrach_>
oliv3r: hmm, the ee magic did note get to real 1 wire yet it seems. the tokens really have two contacts that are only visible on detailed photo
<mnemoc>
please try to convince tsvetan to make an A20 board with 2GB and gmii
<slapin_nb>
that is too bad :(
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<mnemoc>
he doesn't believe me there is market for that
<slapin_nb>
I will buy one
<slapin_nb>
they simply can trace it so people can replace ram
<slapin_nb>
so to make upgrade possible
<mnemoc>
he said the current design doesn't allow it
<oliv3r>
Turl: i tried to google for it, only found rasberry posts mostly
<slapin_nb>
mnemoc: they can make it at least on module
<oliv3r>
hey hansg, slapin_nb et al
<Turl>
oliv3r: I see it in mainline
<oliv3r>
A20 with gmii? HTPC. 1 or 2 GB ram ... don't know if that makes a huge difference
<oliv3r>
A20 + gmii + 2GB == server
<slapin_nb>
oliv3r: cool home appliance
<slapin_nb>
oliv3r: can really do interesting stuff like recorder of treamed media
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<slapin_nb>
*streamed
<mnemoc>
weren't you ranting about the lack of ram of your A10 tablet yesterday and the impact little more dram has?
<oliv3r>
so yeah, I see enough use of A20 + gmii + 2GB
<oliv3r>
and to be fair, how big of a price difference are we talking here?
<oliv3r>
a few dollars?
<slapin_nb>
oliv3r: about $3 for ram
<Turl>
oliv3r: and board redesign? :p
<mnemoc>
so 5E total?
<oliv3r>
let A20 be 1 USD more then A10; 1 vs 2 GB ram ... can't be a lot if dram prices now; mii vs gmii is the biggest costfactor
<oliv3r>
Turl: A20 is A10 pin-compatible
<slapin_nb>
oliv3r: and about $5 for gmii or so
<oliv3r>
Turl: aren't they designing an A20 board too?
<oliv3r>
slapin_nb: full chip? or 'more expenisve then mii'
<slapin_nb>
oliv3r: more expensive
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: problem is they want to do a 512/1GB A10 board that can be extended to use A20
<mnemoc>
instead of a A20 board
<slapin_nb>
well, and how about module
<slapin_nb>
and IIRC A10 can do 2GB, just nobody tried it
<oliv3r>
KSZ9021GN = 6.85 USD if you buy 1 quantity, it's 3.70 in 1k quantities
<mnemoc>
slapin_nb: olimex tried and failed. aw adviced against
<oliv3r>
timings may be the issue, but AW hasn't helped in sorting that out, routing shouldn't be ahuge issue with 1gb vs 2gb; if you use higher densities even less?
<oliv3r>
ah, so maybe A10 couldn't handle it
<oliv3r>
maybe A20 can
<slapin_nb>
mnemoc: you can trace it so that you can solder either 1G or 2
<mnemoc>
but f* A10 and make a kick ass A20 board
<oliv3r>
so oh wow, you can buy 10/100 PHY for 0.63 cent! (in 1k quantities)
<slapin_nb>
mnemoc: A20 doesn't have SATA which is show stopper for my next project