<DavidBsAs>
Hi all, I have a Mele A2000 and I'm trying to turn it into a usable LibreOffice box. I'm using Ubuntu image from guillaumeplayground.net, and video it's a little laggy.
<DavidBsAs>
Installed sunxi module and it is a little better, but still, Spreadsheets and Word Processor doesn't run smoothly. Any sugestions?
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<DavidBsAs>
Hi ssvb :)
<Turl>
DavidBsAs: nice to see a fellow argentine in here :)
<Turl>
DavidBsAs: you can run the memory at a faster clock, that should speed graphics up a bit
<DavidBsAs>
Turl, r u from Argentina too? Will try to speed up the memory clock, up to match cubieboard speed. Do you estiate it would speed it up enough to use a 2 or 3 windows smoothly¡
<DavidBsAs>
*?
<DavidBsAs>
*estimate
<Turl>
I dunno, I don't run X on my devices, but it should be a bit faster
<Turl>
and yes :)
<Turl>
to change memory speed you just need to edit the memory speed on the uboot code, rebuild and dd the new spl to your sdcard
<DavidBsAs>
Tryin that now, Turl. Thanks. What devices do you have and what are you using them for? If I may ask.
<Turl>
DavidBsAs: a mele as a home server (storage, torrents, music playback) and a cubieboard for development
<Turl>
and a tablet as tablet
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<oliv3r>
Turl: not on uart no
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<oliv3r>
Turl: it appears the non-booting kernel is the one that has the dtb appended
<oliv3r>
also, is setenv bootargs console=/dev/ttyS0 enough to get output?
<oliv3r>
(or is console only ttyS0, without /dev?
<oliv3r>
or is the loglevel also required
<oliv3r>
it's without the /dev, but also that doesn't produce any output :(
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: linux-sunxi.org is slow :(
<n01>
oliv3r: where are you stuck?
<oliv3r>
I only get 'starting kernel'
<oliv3r>
so I assume it is actually starting, but I don't get console output
<oliv3r>
n01: can you send me your kernel, so I know i have a kernel that will work and output over uart?
<n01>
oliv3r: have you enabled early printk?
<oliv3r>
i used stock config, so good point, I'd assume it be on
<oliv3r>
but i also don't get a login prompt after a while, which should run on uart i would guess?
<n01>
oliv3r: yes but at least you are supposed to see the early printk
<n01>
anyway now I'm at $work$, I'll send you ASA I get home
<oliv3r>
ok
<oliv3r>
i brought my cubie to work today :)
<n01>
and your work is ...
<oliv3r>
really boring shit
<oliv3r>
but i get to do other things when not working
<oliv3r>
which is often :)
<n01>
cool :)
<oliv3r>
hno: if I use md on 0 - 0x100, i get sram a1 displayed (SPL), if I do md on 0x4000 - 0x4100 I get sram A2. If i do md 0x3ff0 - 0x40f0, i get that region. But if I do md 0x3fff, the board resets?
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<mnemoc>
oliv3r: uhm... it might be because the requests per second limits we set of varnish.. :-/
<mnemoc>
on*
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<mnemoc>
oliv3r: after killing the old server I'll ask hetzner to allow more than 5TB/M at 100MHz and reduce the traffic restrictions
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: if you find troubles beside speed, please let me know
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: sure :)
<oliv3r>
it's okay-ish for now
<oliv3r>
not doing much thouhg, only editing pages, so shouldn't be 'heavy'
<oliv3r>
any USB hackers on? got some sram questions :)
<oliv3r>
also, and EMAC hackers on? mripard i'm looking at you!
<mripard>
?
<oliv3r>
oh nice
<oliv3r>
ok, i'm playing with SRAM ctl registers via md, mw and mtest in u-boot
<oliv3r>
according to the datasheet, you can chance mappings of sram to either 'cpu' or 'device'
<oliv3r>
in the case of the EMAC, we have 1 bit to do this mapping
<oliv3r>
in the sun7i code however, 0x5 << 2 is written to the sram register
<oliv3r>
then again, that comment is the only reference :p
<mripard>
and I'm not mapping the SRAM anywhere
<mripard>
nor do I put the magic value in the SRAM register you mentionned above :)
<oliv3r>
yep, i see :)
<oliv3r>
but what driver did you use as base?
<oliv3r>
since even the sun4i one does it
<mripard>
I don't know, I only carried on stefan's work
<mripard>
and I guess it's for DMA
<mnemoc>
stefanro wrote his own driver almost from zero
<mripard>
and since we don't use DMA at all
<mnemoc>
for u-boot
<mripard>
not for linux
<oliv3r>
i'll check his github then
<oliv3r>
on u-boot
<mnemoc>
isn't it a bad idea to not use DMA for ethernet?
<oliv3r>
well if it works stabaly without, it's a good startingpoint?
<mripard>
well, you have to start somewhere.
<mnemoc>
:)
<oliv3r>
and makes the driver simpler, so initially easier to debug, trhen go from there?
<oliv3r>
ok but i dont' understand one thing
<oliv3r>
i don't know much/anything about DMA, but i thought DMA access, was direct RAM access (or sram i suppose)
<mnemoc>
hno and slapin worked months on trying to get the nand working without DMA
<oliv3r>
so how does sram have anything to do with using DMA?
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<mripard>
mnemoc: there's several other statements that applies to the ethernet driver :)
<mnemoc>
:)
<mripard>
like, isn't it a bad idea to have an interrupt for each packet that come in/off ? :)
<mnemoc>
uhm
<oliv3r>
and on that note, do you need/want DMA to access the SRAM?
<oliv3r>
since in effect, SRAM is 'just faster, but still memory'
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<mripard>
with DMA, you offload the CPU from the data transfer between RAM/device
<mripard>
like if you want to send out a packet
<oliv3r>
so you can us DMA on SRAM and regular ram
<mripard>
you can either have your CPU get the packet from RAM and put it into the data registers
<mripard>
(which is called PIO)
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<mripard>
or, you can program the device to directly go get the data it needs in the memory
<mripard>
(which is DMA)
<mripard>
so yes, I guess it can be either SRAM or DRAM in our case
<oliv3r>
so to improve emac performance, we should cange intterupt handling in the driver to improve performance
<oliv3r>
use SRAM for emac
<oliv3r>
and finally, use DMA for emac
<mripard>
DMA won't make things faster
<oliv3r>
oh?
<mripard>
it will just make the CPU less busy
<oliv3r>
true
<oliv3r>
faster when under load* :)
<oliv3r>
Ok, i think I understand
<oliv3r>
so the only thing i don't yet understand :p
<oliv3r>
the sram configuration registers
<oliv3r>
you map sram to either the CPU or to the EMAC in this case
<oliv3r>
you set some bits in the register. Why is that then needed?
<oliv3r>
is all unmapped area directly useable by the CPU? or is it simply a write protection so nothing can write to those area's
<oliv3r>
and if so, how does the emac write to it?
<oliv3r>
going from that, if the emac hardware puts data directly into the sram (dma on the hardware end? and singals with an interrupt that the data is ready?) how do we get it out if it is restricted to the emac?
<oliv3r>
(sorry for asking many possibly obvious questions :p)
<mripard>
I don't know, I've never seen such a use of SRAM before, but the OS can't access unmapped memory
<mripard>
a random device can, but will need to use the physical addresses obviously
<mripard>
(well, if there's no MMU between the device and the memory"
<oliv3r>
gotta run some tests now, but if the ctl_Reg changes the 'write protection' of that area, I just dont' know how to CPU access it, can't imagine that register being flipped on/off constantly to allow the emac to write into the sram, and then to allow the CPU to read/write from there
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: import/lichee-3.3/a20-dev . that other is history-less, from a bulk (older) leak
<oliv3r>
did I use the wrong one again? :(
<oliv3r>
rename the 'crappy' ones to 'archived/...'
<mnemoc>
:p
<mnemoc>
too many things to do and so little time to spare...
<oliv3r>
yes! :(
<oliv3r>
mripard: one more question, then i'll get off your back :p; where does SRAM get mapped for the CPU to be used in the kernel? (ANd was what does it use it?)
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<oliv3r>
yay, 4k of USB sram is usable when unmapping it!
<oliv3r>
oh, nvm, it's always usable :S
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<oliv3r>
because by default it's unmapped :S
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<oliv3r>
bah, the mapping bits don't do anything usefull
<oliv3r>
well it doesn't do an enable/disable to access it
<oliv3r>
the thing is, the VideoEngine DOES access sram c1, but no matter what bit settings I use, it's always offlimits :(
<oliv3r>
oh, i'm using the wrong memory address to test :D
<oliv3r>
i need to find a better power adapter, the one I have now, cheap psp nockoff, doesn't even do 1amp :S
<oliv3r>
i can power my 2'5 hdd from it, if the board is un-booted :S
<oliv3r>
hno: i'm trying to write 0xffffff to the NFC registers, they always read back 0, is it true its write only registers?
<oliv3r>
maybe dissable comments for that specific page
<oliv3r>
and make the 'form' larger (so the scrollbar dissapears)
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<oliv3r>
mw 0x01c20000 0xffffffff 0x56 locks the cubieboard :p
<oliv3r>
not quite unexpected :p
<n01>
submitted :D
<n01>
\0/
<mripard>
oliv3r: SRAM is first used directly by the bootloaders
<mripard>
and then, the .map_io callback in the mach definition in arch/arm/mach-sunxi will probably map it
<oliv3r>
and what does it use it for? Cache? in that regard, does l1/l2 cache be handled by software? or is it fully done in hardware
<mripard>
nothing
<mripard>
map_io use to maps the whole available memory space
<mripard>
so sram is mapped
<mripard>
but that's just a side effect
<oliv3r>
so we _could_ use it as some form of cache (assuming it's faster then ram); otherwise perhiphals could pio/dma it and get faster buffers
<mripard>
yes, probably
<oliv3r>
ok, got it
<oliv3r>
i'll stop distracting you now so you can get your developer cubie 2.0 :)
<mripard>
hehe
<mripard>
I was filling out the form :)
<mripard>
hipboi: great idea ;)
<hipboi>
:O
<hipboi>
what idea
<mripard>
to give out 50 cubie for developpers
<hipboi>
it's one of the reason i started cubietech
<n01>
giveaway? :)
<oliv3r>
you'll end up poor :p
<hipboi>
hmm, we must ask allwinner for some money
<oliv3r>
lol
<oliv3r>
i'd gladly pay for better docs/cedarX sources :)
<oliv3r>
(better docs == defined missing/hidden registers)
<hipboi>
maybe there is chance
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<oliv3r>
hipboi: I heard rellla may have some news
<rellla>
oliv3r: so what you've heard? i can't hear anything ;)
<oliv3r>
rellla: still nothing? :(
<hipboi>
eva contacted me recently after read the startup report of cubietech
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<hipboi>
and even introduced a customer to us who wrote to allwinner ask about cubieboard
<rellla>
hipboi: great idea, filled out. hope it isn't too much to read ;)
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<oliv3r>
i only had a small box to fill in ;)
<oliv3r>
hipboi: that's really good and positive news
<hipboi>
i told her we need allwinner support, she asked me to write a mail
<hipboi>
i think i should send a mail to the list to gather what we need
<hipboi>
maybe (better docs == defined missing/hidden is enough...
<rellla>
oliv3r: still nothing, last email from Service/ Chen Xiaochuan was on May 8th, my answer from 7th - funny time difference.
<rellla>
and last time it took around a week to answer. that will be tomorrow ;)
<oliv3r>
hipboi: yes, there are a few 'ereasd' registers in the docs etc, that information in a free license would be awesome; and secondly, cedarX sources (so we can also fix them). having register information to that will be very helpfull, having the source as reference will be even more helpfull
<oliv3r>
hipboi: but very exciting news indeed
<rellla>
hipboi: and don't tell them, that cedarx seems to work useable via libhybris ;)
<hipboi>
rellla, :)
<oliv3r>
if they don't wanna give more info for A20 (we don't have any yet), we'll gladly take A10 info (as it's quite compatible with A20 i hope)
<rellla>
btw, is cedarx also implemented in a31?
<hipboi>
cedarx should be the same in a10/a20
<hipboi>
improved in a31
<oliv3r>
so in a31, it'll be CedarX 2.0
<oliv3r>
i suppose A40 will be cedarX 2.0 aswell :)
<oliv3r>
hipboi: A20 user manual (full version) would be nice to start with aswell
<mnemoc>
dreaming awake?
<oliv3r>
sorry
<oliv3r>
yeah
<rellla>
mnemoc, go to sleep again ;)
<oliv3r>
fuck. me i'm stupid
<oliv3r>
i'm checking initial values for the timers
<oliv3r>
and they constantly change and i'm like, wtf am I doing wrong, do I have the correct ranges?
<oliv3r>
but ... the timer run
<oliv3r>
s, so of course the values will constantly change :S
<oliv3r>
totally offtopic, a device driver sets up its own intterupt like that?
<oliv3r>
or should be do this via the interrupt framework? (i have no idea, hence the question)
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<n01>
oliv3r: you have to request an interrupt to the kernel
<oliv3r>
but that register, I would have thought you setup the interrupts etc in the interrupt 'driver'
<oliv3r>
and then your driver requests the interrupt that way :)
<hno>
oliv3r, you need to enable a clock gating bit for the NFC registers to work.
<oliv3r>
hno: ahhh, ok
<oliv3r>
i'll try to figure that bit out later and try again
<oliv3r>
n01: init_irq; handle_irq look interesting in your driver :p
<oliv3r>
hno: checking the timer section
<n01>
oliv3r: yep, you can see the old version of my driver
<n01>
in the final version I left out all the IRQ part
<oliv3r>
ah, you don't use IRQ at all anymore?
<oliv3r>
i'll check out some other sunxi driver at a later point then
<n01>
not anymore ... the latest version is very very slim ... no IRQ, no reboot for arch, just the basic functionality
<hno>
oliv3r, or 0x2000 into 0x1c20060
<oliv3r>
hno: ah, thanks; that does speed things up :)
<oliv3r>
n01: smart, better have a basic driver first, add fancy features later :)
<oliv3r>
n01: hopefully I finally can boot my kernel and test SID support :p
<hno>
Argh... used gparted to repartition one of my cards and not u-boot claims there is 0 files and 0 directories in my FAT boot partition. Linux do find everything.
<oliv3r>
u-boot doesn't know about different offset partitions?
<oliv3r>
i think parted starts at sector 2048s by default
<n01>
better to use sfdisk
<oliv3r>
Turl: you did work on the clocks right?
<oliv3r>
Turl: i see in the sun4i dts that timer only uses the 24MHz clock? But i think it can use the 24M, 32kOSC or even PLL6/6; doesn't that have to be in the dts aswell? or how does that work
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<oliv3r>
mripard: why does tirqchip/irq-sunxi.c not use DT?
<libv>
2 patches to sunxi-mali coming up
<oliv3r>
oh nice!
<libv>
one adds proper eglplatform.h so that X11 or fbdev can be build time handled
<ssvb>
luoyi: your distro must have a package for xf86-video-modesetting (the name of the package may be slightly different), you can try to find an uninstall it
<luoyi>
ssvb: pacman -Rd xf86-video-modesetting done. and still fail
<ssvb>
luoyi: do you get different error messages in the log now?
<luoyi>
ssvb: strange. no log now
<luoyi>
ssvb: I'm a ArchLinux user . and choosed ArchLinuxArm for cubieboard. it doesn't have a startx command . so I install fluxbox
<Dreadlish>
ech
<Dreadlish>
luoyi: xorg-xinit
<Dreadlish>
this package has startx...
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<luoyi>
Dreadlish: cool
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: startx OK now
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: can bring up X Window
<Dreadlish>
ok.
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<luoyi>
Dreadlish: which window manager is suitable for cubieboard ? I'm a XFCE4+Compiz user on PC
<Dreadlish>
luoyi: any should
<Dreadlish>
work
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: is xfce4 too heavy for the cubieboard
<Dreadlish>
rather not.
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<Dreadlish>
on 512mb it works tolerably
<Dreadlish>
and as i remember cb has 1gb of ram ;d
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: OK . I'm pacman -S xfce4 now
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: and looks like there are no compiled version of xbmca10 for cubieboard for download
<Dreadlish>
xbmc for a10/a13 is being ported as i read somewhere
<Dreadlish>
cause there are problems with libcedarx afaik
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: I mean I need to compile it myself
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: I think maybe I need hours to make it done
<Dreadlish>
it would take much time to build xbmc on cb natively
<mnemoc>
rellla has a prebuilt of xbmca10 in dl.linux-sunxi.org for debian armhf iirc
<Dreadlish>
but it works err...
<Dreadlish>
not good
<Dreadlish>
likes to hang during playing
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: what's the best video player for a10 now ?
<luoyi>
Dreadlish: can use the full power of the VPU ?
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: should help you with the initial steps
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: if you get the entire BSP, you should end up with a hwpack that countains the kernel, bootloader, modules etc
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oliv3r: Did you check the "First Steps" link you gave?
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<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oliv3r:
<luoyi>
we are merge our work into the mainline kernel code. so can we hope there will be an offical kernel version can support sunxi device be released near future ?
<jelly-home>
luoyi: I think you can boot 3.8-3.9 on A10... can't you?
<luoyi>
jelly-home: I haven't tried that
<jelly-home>
(I said boot, not necessarily do everything)
<luoyi>
jelly-home: and looks like there are nobody works on the CEC device support
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<Turl>
mripard: yes, pinctrl
<Turl>
mripard: your patch to enable gpiolib fixes it
<Turl>
mripard: hence my tested-by :)
<jelly-home>
luoyi: waiting for the kernel people to decide on an API...! O:-)
<luoyi>
jelly-home: we have libCEC now
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<Turl>
mripard: while you're around, can you check if I missed anything for sunxi-next? http://goo.gl/UHwyi
<techn_>
luoyi: what work you are talking about?
<hno>
luoyi, there is CEC support in current sunxi-3.4 kernels I think. But needs some love.
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<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: it should tell you how to build things, let me recheck :p i did it from the head
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I got a A10 Tablet (Mpman MID74C) with partly broken touch (not much), and i want to put gentoo there
<oliv3r>
yes, it's that easy (If your board is supported)
<oliv3r>
if you board is not supported, we need to find out what clone its off
<oliv3r>
you'd need to extract script.bin from /dev/block/nanda (you can mount it in android)
<oliv3r>
bin2fex it and compare it to the existing ones
<oliv3r>
obtain memory timings (from android)
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
I head words "momo 9" (or maybe 11) and "Allwinner A10" around it
<oliv3r>
jelly-home: you can boot met 3.9, but it's not usable yet :p no sata, no usb etc etc
<techn_>
luoyi: hno: yeah.. there should be somekind CEC support but needs bindings to libCEC.. there should be also some kernel-to-userspace framework to help that work
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: then it's probably extremly identical to mine momo9, it really is a inet97f (top of my head)
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: check the wiki, i've uploaded qutie some pics to help you identify your tablet
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
i also heard words like inet
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
They are printed on my "board"
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok
<oliv3r>
check the foto's, if you opened yours, it should quickly follow :)
<oliv3r>
that should yield you with a inet97f_hwpack.gz
<oliv3r>
that has everything you need to make your SD card bootable, kernel, bootloader, kernel modules and binary blobs (iirc)
<oliv3r>
dd the bootloader to the SD card, format the first partition fat16 (about 100mb), put your kernel there, that should yield you with a booting system (lack of initramfs and/or root is a second problem :p
<oliv3r>
once you have that though, it's really easy to create your root partition, extract the stage3 armv7hf tarball, nfs mount your /usr/portage (or however you keep your portage tree) and ... done
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok, Currently my main "laptop" got a serious operation of changing broken mix of Debian Squeeze and Wheezy to a Gentoo
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
So i am currently chatting from my main home server
<oliv3r>
you should be able to follow the gentoo handbook easily, the only difference is instead of grub, we use u-boot, and instead of gentoo-sources, you use the sunxi-bsp kernel :)
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
That aint so fast
<oliv3r>
if you want to cross-compile all packages, we're talking a whole different beast here though ;)
<oliv3r>
anyway, nativly compiling it like that should work (so gonna try that with a cubie 2.0)
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
ok, gonna start doing all that when i get something better than "THIS HOST" (like my favorite laptop)
<oliv3r>
lol
<oliv3r>
it should be _really_ easy
<oliv3r>
you can do most/all preperation on your host where you prepare the SD card
<oliv3r>
special care needs to be taken with USB Host (keyboard) and video output (so you can see);
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
1. This host is "DAMN SLOW" to even chat in irssi.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
2. It doesnt have a SD slot
<oliv3r>
well you can install to nand, but that's much harder, and if things break, you'll need something on SD to fix it with anyhow
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
3. I really better wait for some "suitable" hardware, to do all this on. As even downloading makes this pc stop
<oliv3r>
i'd install it to SD, and when your happy, transfer it to nand
<oliv3r>
having said that, I haven't gotten the 3.0 or the 3.4 kernel to boot on my tablet yet
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oliv3r: I am gonna do all this as in instruction, but alittle later
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: is that a P90?
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oliv3r: ?
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: irclog.whitequark.org (i think :p)
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: it being so slow
<oliv3r>
it must be a pentium 90 or older ;)
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oliv3r: No, its a home server connected to TV with Pentium D and 4 gb ram. But its VERY SLOW NOW
<oliv3r>
oh, that should handle it easily, chatting etc is no problem, for even something as slow as a 386
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
btw, i had several days of transfering a 81 gb tar from 1 pc to another. Using 16 gb usb drive and a split using 4GB pieces.
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
also, i really prefer to do it from a "usual laptop"
<oliv3r>
lol
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<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
and of course 16gb usb's are much smaller
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
so i transfered like 12 GB using a 16 gb flash drive
<oliv3r>
you can use USB instead of SD to run gentoo from; but i think you do need to boot from SD (or nand)
<oliv3r>
though the tablet's USB port is kinda crap
<LoCoZeNoz_ZUE>
oliv3r: I know this is a channel about embedded hardware... But i think you should understand that when i say USB it not nessaserily got anything to do to the topic
<oliv3r>
LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: not sure I follow
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: is there a way to see more then only the activity over the last 30 days? like overa ctivity graph or something
<Turl>
oliv3r: on where?
<oliv3r>
wiki
<oliv3r>
there's a 'special page' that lists 'activity'
<oliv3r>
but what if i wanted to see an overview of everybodies contributions, sorted by contributions
<Turl>
oliv3r: you can play with the URL, starting date, days, changes :)