<hno>
arokux, 3.3V is enough for powering a hub chip, but not for powering the hub ports vusb pin. But it is ńot the hub chip that powers vusb (it only controls it).
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<arokux2>
hi hno, thanks
<hno>
Fedora do not support or ship proprietary blobs on any hardware, with the exception for certain firmware.
<arokux2>
I tried a different approach to port usb host, but it doesn't work again
<arokux2>
I've isolated the code in 3.4, so that it does not use any of the AW infrastructure, then just copied it to mainline
<arokux2>
but it works only partially
<hno>
mnemoc, sun7i defconfig is a bit of a mess..
<hno>
i2c_sunxi built as module by default which means no AXP control unless i2c_sunxi.ko is loaded.
<hno>
the defconfigs need a cleanup in general, too much differences. But the sun7i is just too different from the others.
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<wingrime>
hno: you can try take sun4i's
<wingrime>
hno: and change soc to sun7i
<wingrime>
hno: and try build
<arokux2>
cat /proc/ccmu in case you haven't seen it
<wingrime>
arokux2: there is phy part
<wingrime>
arokux2: in usv
<wingrime>
*usb
<wingrime>
arokux2: have you touched it?
<arokux2>
as I said. I've isolated the code in 3.4
<arokux2>
it won't use any infrastructure, but mess up with bits
<arokux2>
it works in sunxi-3.4
<arokux2>
but does not in mainline. something is done externally
<arokux2>
maybe PLL6 should be enabled.
<arokux2>
but next I need to set up tftp
<arokux2>
wingrime, what are you working on?
<arokux2>
hno, you should be an expert in this: will tftp work with:
* leviathanch_
has made the mmc controller do something in linux-next :-D
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<arokux2>
leviathanch_, cool!
<leviathanch_>
arokux2: not long anymore and we will have mmc on upstream
<leviathanch_>
arokux2: as soon as I've cleaned it up and moved it from plsdsif
<leviathanch_>
"Please don't shout in Finish"
<leviathanch_>
;-)
<arokux2>
leviathanch_, not to discourage you but I thought the same several weeks ago with usb
<arokux2>
:(
<arokux2>
hno, can I flash our u-boot onto the board? my mmc seems not to be stable anymore :(
<arokux2>
leviathanch_, btw, do you use tftp? :)
<leviathanch_>
arokux2: I'm using the most recent u-boot-sunxi
<leviathanch_>
and I'm loading u-boot from SD card
<hno>
arokux2, you can drop our u-boot.bin in nanda, but it can't read from nand.
<leviathanch_>
arokux2: I'm using SD card
<leviathanch_>
the rootfs is within the initrd
<arokux2>
leviathanch_, I recommend you setup tftp... after 100+ plugs my mmc seems to be unstable..
<arokux2>
hno, no need to read from nand, would it talk to tftp?
<hno>
yes
<hno>
if you tell it to. Not automatically.
<hno>
you can build one with a default environment that will automatically tftp by modifying include/configs/sunxi-common.h
<arokux2>
hno, that is clear. where are the instructions to put u-boot.bin onto nand?
<arokux2>
and hno, can you fix this "env set fdt_high ffffffff"? :)
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<arokux2>
hno, also, any idea why u-boot shell freezes after some time? :(((
<hno>
no
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<jukivili>
arokux2: did you have chance to test musb yet?
<arokux2>
jukivili, not yet, sorry. yesterday I had another try of porting of the usb-host, but again it didn't worked :(
<arokux2>
jukivili, I did some measurements with multimeter and now my board seems not to be stable any more :(
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<arokux2>
jukivili, what are you doing atm?
<jukivili>
reading libgcrypt source
<arokux2>
:)
<arokux2>
hno, is there one u-boot that handles script.bin and dtb?
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<libv>
fedora and their claims of software freedom...
<libv>
redhat was far too keen, back in the day, to attack radeonhd and to side with ATI to help make sure that fglrx could continue as is
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<mnemoc>
hno: hramrach has tried a bunch of time to make them all consistent.... but never got an ack... now we have yet another mess on the list
<arokux2>
hi, mnemoc
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<arokux2>
jukivili, around? booted kernel with our config
<arokux2>
jukivili, usb still wont show up
<arokux2>
I've measured the power, only 3.3V it is normal?
<arokux2>
jukivili, the power of the usb host ports is 5V
<jelly-home>
s/power/voltage/
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<arokux2>
jelly-home, thanks
<arokux2>
jukivili, still = stick
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<jukivili>
arokux2: did the allwinner otg-host driver work?
<arokux2>
jukivili, you'd need to tell me how to check it
<steev>
bah, there i was thinking that the cubieboard2 left sweden back on 08-23 since it says Posted through Sweden Post, but apparently it didn't leave til 09-05 :/
<arokux2>
steev, still waiting for it? where did you order?
<jukivili>
yes.. the mele1000 fex does not have usb_id_gpio or usb_det_vbus_gpio, but that should be ok since usb_drv_vbus_gpio should be enough for host-only
<oliv3r>
mripard: and i just stumbled uppon the fact that the interrupt from the MDIO isn't handled by the emac driver, is this a dedicated connection these two have? I don't see anything in the interrupt table
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<oliv3r>
i would assume so oviously
<mripard>
oliv3r: hmmm, it's odd, but it works. the regulator is disabled anyway when the driver exits.
<mripard>
so, the regulator_disable is here useless.
<oliv3r>
mripard: why is the regulator disabled anyway?
<mripard>
hmmmm... because?
<oliv3r>
mripard: because of devm_regulator_get?
<mripard>
it's the point of using devm_regulator_get :)
<oliv3r>
since devm things get cleaned up when you exit the driver?
<oliv3r>
ok, that makes sense :)
<oliv3r>
tns
<oliv3r>
tnx
<mripard>
and I don't understand your MDIO question. Why would the EMAC driver handle the MDIO irq?
<oliv3r>
it says there PHY interrupts not supported :p
<mripard>
hmmm, yeah, ok. :)
<oliv3r>
what i saw from the schematics, the PHY is connected to portA (emac)
<mripard>
that must be a stefan comment :)
<arokux2>
oliv3r, is your otg working in host mode?
<oliv3r>
so if the PHY generates an interrupt, would that be done via the regular interrupt controller, or does the emac do something internally with that?
<oliv3r>
arokux2: no clue, haven't used it in ages
<oliv3r>
mripard: if not, then what's the name of the PHY interrupt int he list of interrupts :p
<arokux2>
mripard, yes, but I've solved the problem. yesterday I had another attempt to port usb hosts, but no luck, works partially only
<mripard>
ok :)
<mripard>
so the patch you have on your github don't work?
<arokux2>
mripard, they work better :)
<arokux2>
mripard, but also do not work.
<arokux2>
mripard, if they were, I would shout louder :)
<oliv3r>
arokux2: have you tried identifying the used IP to see if there maybe exists a USB driver for it allready?
<oliv3r>
arokux2: also, you working on OTG or the regular USB driver?
<oliv3r>
arokux2: since i find it strange OTG is proven so troublesome, with the driver allready in mainline
<arokux2>
oliv3r, on regular. this is standard ehci/ohci host, so only bus glue needed
<arokux2>
but still, haven't managed to get it working
<arokux2>
but I'm close..
<rah>
mripard: have you any idea what the phoenixcard software does?
<arokux2>
oliv3r, maybe you could help me? :p
<rah>
mripard: I have an a1000g like Bamvor Zhang, who I understand has been in contact with you
<rah>
mripard: it apparently needs to be flashed with an SD card created using the PhoenixCard software
<wingrime>
oliv3r: I think USB have PHY part that need configre
<rah>
mripard: I've tried creating a card with a buildroot image and an A31 kernel but it doesn't load u-boot
<rah>
mripard: have you any idea what the PhoenixCard software does?
<oliv3r>
arokux2: heh, sorry, gotta go ina few mintues; but maybe a good approach was tot ry and see if we can find similarities with other USB host controllers
<arokux2>
oliv3r, as I said, only bus glue is needed.
<arokux2>
oliv3r, there is no driver what so ever.
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<oliv3r>
arokux2: so it uses the default platform usb host driver/framework
<oliv3r>
arokux2: in that case, that should be doable :)
<oliv3r>
arokux2: do you have anything published on git?
<arokux2>
oliv3r, YES!
<arokux2>
oliv3r, check: [RFC] USB EHCI support for mainline
<arokux2>
on ML
<arokux2>
guys, is there u-boot that can manage both, script.bin and dtb?
<arokux2>
so that only one SD card can be used for mainline and sunxi-3.4?
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<arokux2>
hno, ^
<oliv3r>
arokux2: of course
<arokux2>
oliv3r, which one?
<oliv3r>
arokux2: u-boot simply loads data, even the dtb version loads the script.bin by default if it can
<oliv3r>
arokux2: any new version
<oliv3r>
arokux2: you can even load both files/tables if you wan
<arokux2>
oliv3r, hm.. but how do the aw code knows what is where?
<mripard>
rah: I built up my own by hands (and I need to document it somewhere), so I never used the phoenixcard stuff
<oliv3r>
arokux2: you load either/or to the same address i think
<arokux2>
oliv3r, that is awesome. will try it out!!
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<hno>
arokux2, allwinner code simply looks for scirpt.bin at 0x43000000
<arokux2>
thanks hno
<arokux2>
hno, are you hacking on smth?
<hno>
arokux2, not today. but hacking a lot on another arm based board lately at work, some 5000 of them.. and everything needs to be in place in about 2 weeks..
<arokux2>
hno, what SoC?
<leviathanch_>
Turl: your clock implementation is lacking the phase shift options
<leviathanch_>
Turl: without these the sd card only delivers garbage
<hno>
that's not correct booting of an allwinner kernel.
<hno>
just "bootm 0x46000000"
<arokux2>
hno, you are right. checking your wiki now, thanks. oliv3r ^
<arokux2>
hno, last question, from the safety point of view, how would you reboot a board if kernel crashed?
<arokux2>
I quite ofte get: ### ERROR ### Please RESET the board ###
<hno>
arokux2, when do you get that?
<hno>
doing what on what board?
<hno>
using what u-boot?
<hno>
as for rebooting on kernel crash use panic=10
<hno>
at kernel kommand line.
<hno>
or enable watchdog.
<arokux2>
1. if I press power button and then release it, 2. if i unplug/plug the power. I've noticed that if I wait some time, I won't get this error. I use newest U-Boot
<hno>
is the error from SPL or from main u-boot? Anything said before?
<hno>
and any difference if you unplug the console RX wire?
<arokux2>
hno, question. what would be the best way to have network boot but with modules? 1. the could be build into uImage, 2. could be copied to initramfs. first option requires manual editing of the configs, second one is automatic, but takes time. anything better than those two?
<vinifr>
there a /sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:device0
<vinifr>
there is..
<hno>
arokux2, I append them to my initrd.
<hno>
or initramfs rather
<arokux2>
hno, so option #2
<hno>
arokux, yes. Not sure how you would add them to the uImage.. built-in drivers are not modules
<Turl>
leviathanch_: what are they? :P
<Turl>
arokux2: use nfs rootfs
<arokux2>
hno, General Setup / Initramfs source file(s) with a path to your initramfs image
<arokux2>
Turl, will it be faster? :)
<Turl>
arokux2: well, you'd just need to install them to your would-be root
<hno>
hard to use nfs rootfs with sunxi emac as a module.
<Turl>
emac can be builtin :)
<hno>
but yes, nfs root is a lot more flexible than using initramfs for testing.
<hno>
all drivers except mali can be builtin.
<hno>
which makes them built in drivers, not modules.
<arokux2>
yep, the point is often you need to test configs with modules and you need those modules....
<arokux2>
so either you make them built-in or you append them to initramfs or... nfs, thanks Turl
<hno>
arokux2, yes. My miniroot setup handles modules nicely.
<hno>
by appending them to the initramfs.
<arokux2>
hno, miniroot needs to be archieved each time. i'm curios what would be faster archieving or nfs.
<hno>
nfs is faster if you have a good network. loading the initramfs over tftp is slow.
<hno>
and nfs root is ready as soon as you have run "make modules_install"
<arokux2>
hno, well, it is local network through a router, should be fast, I think
<hno>
arokux2, correction.. nfs is always faster. If network is not good then TFTP performancs plummets completely. If network is good then tftp is only slow.
<hno>
but nfs root setup requires a little more preparation on the server.
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<arokux2>
Turl, can you post your buildroot config?
<vinifr>
i wanna add ssh to .cpio
<arokux2>
wow.. who has written such extensive doc for buildroot
<Turl>
arokux2: just choose cortex a8, arm eabi, select a suitable compiler
<Turl>
the rest is depending on what you need
<arokux2>
Turl, ok, thanks!
<hno>
uhm... really should change my gravatar I think. That's not me any longer..
<Turl>
hno: old picture?
<hno>
Turl, a bit.. 2004 I think.
<rah>
I keep getting a segfault when I run bin2fex
<rah>
does the program work for anyone here?
<hno>
rah, yes.
<rah>
:-/
<Turl>
rah: run it under valgrind --tool=memcheck
<hno>
rah, is your bin2fex up to date?
<rah>
hno: is it intellgent to detect when it's not actually looking at a compiled .fex?
<arokux2>
hah, there is cubieboard def config in buildroot
<rah>
s/intelligent/intelligent enough/
<hno>
rah, not really.
<rah>
:-/
<Turl>
arokux2: yes, it selects lots of sunxi stuff, like sunxi-mali
<rah>
I'm trying to demystify the contents of LiveSuit images
<rah>
without much luck
<arokux2>
Turl, I do not need this junk :)
<hno>
rah, if it's crashing on an actual script.bin then first of all make sure you have an up to date copy.
<hno>
if still crashing then we need your script.bin..
<hno>
or you need to debug why it's crashing.
<rah>
hno: it's crashing out files dumped using awimage
<rah>
s/out/on/
<rah>
jesus I can't type today
<hno>
LiveSuit images are not very mysterious, if one ignores the embedded Windows DLLs which Livesuit happily executes with no verification or even telling you..
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<rah>
hno: what are update_boot0, etc?
<hno>
That's exactly what it says. A program that updates boot0.
<rah>
they just seem to be binaries in the allwinner-pack-tools
<rah>
hno: updates it how?
<hno>
writing a new copy to the boot area.
<rah>
I don't understand
<hno>
which part?
<rah>
there's a script called "pack" which compiles images for LiveSuit to flash
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<rah>
it calls a Linux binary called update_boot0
<hno>
ah, that one. I thought you talked about the update_boot0 that is inside the image.
<rah>
you're saying that binary updates boot0 by "writing a new copy to the boot area"
<rah>
what is it writing a copy of?
<rah>
what is "the boot area"?
<rah>
oh
<rah>
no, the update_boot0 program
<rah>
there's update_boot1 as well
<rah>
and something called "dragon" which is the final step
<rah>
all of which are Linux binaries with no apparent source
<hno>
It's all programs, but some are for use by pack when making the image, and some are for the sunxi and embedded in the image.
<rah>
indeed
<rah>
the mystery is in what is used to make the image, and how, and what gets embedded in the image, and how it's used on the sunxi
<rah>
so, basically everything -)
<rah>
:-)
<rah>
to be honest I don't really understand how you can say that the LiveSuit images aren't very mysterious
<rah>
they seem to be completely opaque
<arokux2>
Turl, have you used external or internal toolchain?
<arokux2>
Turl, trying with external now...
<rah>
hno: is the pack script just cargo-culting what's done by build scripts from manufacturers that people happen to have got hold of, or does anybody actually understand this stuff?
<Turl>
arokux2: external codesourcery
<rah>
s/anybody/someone/
<arokux2>
Turl, why cs btw? linaro isn't so good?
<arokux2>
Turl, I always wanted to know :)
<Turl>
arokux2: buildroot didn't like linaro for some reason
<arokux2>
Turl, :( you see, nothing could be easy.... (
<arokux2>
Turl, i'm using linaro now, will let you know.
<arokux2>
we need sunxi_defconfig for buildroot :)
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<hno>
rah, the pack tools is allwinners idea of how one builds a flashable image. Not much rational thinking.
<hno>
but works for livesuit..
<hno>
sometimes.
<arokux2>
Turl, worked for me with: gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-4.7-2013.04-20130415_linux
<hno>
rah, update_boot0 and update_boot1 in pack is updating the file header of boot0 and boot1 respectively with info collected from your fex file. These early stages of the boot process do not have access to script.bin.
<hno>
and not for the other binaries that get embedded in the image either.
<rah>
:-/
<rah>
but there's source for boot0 and boot1?
<rah>
(for some version of boot0 and boot1?)
<hno>
yes, but no one have suceeded in building them from those sources yet. And only for A20.
<rah>
are there other sources from which boot0 and boot1 *have* been built?
<hno>
I am quite optimistic that the sources that is there actually match the shipped binaries reasonably well, but don't know, or much interest in them. My focus is u-boot and it's SPL where we don't need any of this.
<hno>
other than as a reference on what boot0 & boot1 does to initialize the board.
<hno>
no interst in pack, dragon, livesuit, phoenix, etc etc. They are all proprietary history.
<rah>
I don't understand
<hno>
what part?
<rah>
well, first, what you mean by "SPL" :-)
<rah>
but also, how can you avoid boot0 and boot1 and its friends?
<rah>
are you replacing them with u-boot?
<hno>
The first state bootloader that is part of u-boot. Does the same as boot0+boot1 more or less, and then loads the full u-boot.
<hno>
first stage.
<hno>
U-Boot SPL is built from the same sources as u-boot.
<arokux2>
vinifr, I'm on Arch Linux, recommenden :)
<hno>
even the tftp server of dnsmasq works fine.
* hno
have tried
<vinifr>
i use Debian7
<soletti>
where i can find more info about xbmc development status for a20? or theres none?
<arokux2>
vinifr, Debian is very good too, but arch wiki is very extensive
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<hno>
Aha.. it's actually tftp-hpa that I am using.
<rah>
hno: that sounds great and when I can get to the point of being able to load code on to my machine, I'll happily but this first stage bootloader on it
<rah>
hno: unfortunately, at the moment I *can't* load code on to my machine and I need to figure out why
<hno>
rah, what machine do you have?
<rah>
arokux2: I have a Mele A1000G with an A31
<arokux2>
Turl, you once told me this should go into dts? ---> LOADADDR=0x40008000
<hno>
Ok. can't help you out very much tere I am afraid. A31 the only Allwinner CPU I don't have and which is also missing u-boot SPL support.
<Turl>
arokux2: eh? dt? no
<Turl>
arokux2: that should be on your env if you want make uImage to work
<arokux2>
Turl, I thought it could be buried somewhere.... :(
<rah>
hno: what I don't understand is: why aren't there notes on all this?
<rah>
hno: I mean you could at least add a link to that olimex download to the wiki
<rah>
the source code for boot0/boot1 is pretty important
<hno>
rah, those boot0/boot1 sources do not work on A31.
<Turl>
I put that on ~/bin/ as "kernel-envsetup", then "source kernel-envsetup" before I start working
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<arokux2>
Turl, yep, I have similar, but I use "." instead of "source"
<arokux2>
:)
<hno>
A31 SDK also includes boot0/boot1 sources, but not aware of any public release of A31 SDK yet.
<hno>
but have to admit that I have not been looking for it either.
<Turl>
arokux2: yeah, but source looks in $PATH so it's easier to type I guess
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<hno>
rah, linux-sunxi is about promoting open alternatives. Have no interest in promoting proprietary and GPL violating stuff.
<hno>
those that perfer the proprietary Android SDK generally know how to find it.
<hno>
and don't care much about open.
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* hno
apologies to certain Android people around here who do in fact care about open.
<rah>
hno: I appreciate that but restricting the availablity of information about the proprietary parts prevents work on free alternatives when that work depends on the information
<rah>
I need to understand boot0 and boot1 to get free stuff on my machine
* arokux2
thinks Andoid is very open comparing to iOS, though
<arokux2>
rah, do you hack just for fun?
<rah>
without links to a proprietary SDK, my machine is stuck with its stock Android image
<rah>
arokux2: what do you mean?
<arokux2>
rah, do you work on sunxi for commercial interest (just curious)
<rah>
arokux2: I do, yes
<arokux2>
Turl, buildroot booted fine (built with linaro)
<arokux2>
rah, how could one monetize such activity, if it is not a secret, except of building hw
<rah>
arokux2: but I'm not a suit
<rah>
arokux2: I also run Manchester Free Software
<rah>
arokux2: there are many business models based on software and hardware whose users are free
<hno>
rah, if you have a commercial relation with Allwinner or someone close to them then just ask them to send you the SDK. Else look around a little an I am pretty sure you'll find the A31 SDK somewhere. In there is boot0 & boot1 sources.
<rah>
arokux2: as far as I'm concerned the issue is completely orthogonal to trying to get u-boot working on my A31
<arokux2>
rah, ah, so "trying to get u-boot running on A31" is just for fun? that was my original question
<hno>
rah, if your board do not succeed in loading u-boot in the stock android image then HW is likely broken.
<hno>
especially if you have already tried to reflash it with livesuit/phoenixsuit.
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<rah>
hno: it loads it in the stock android
<hno>
rah, if your problem is only how to get to the u-boot prompt then there is many ways doing that. Usually sufficient to just trash the env pertition.
<rah>
hno: it doesn't load it in the buildroot image that I created and flashed via phoenixcard
<rah>
it doesn't do anything
<rah>
it just sits there
<hno>
was it packed with A31 version of pack tools?
<rah>
yes
<hno>
and a31 version of kernel etc?
<rah>
yes
<hno>
where did you find these?
<rah>
from a vendor who made them available
<rah>
(but not a full Allwinner SDK)
<hno>
Do you get any output at all?
<hno>
if completely silent then I only see two possible causes
<rah>
hno: where is the script.bin within a LiveSuit image?
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: looks line an allwinner A13 tab from a little of googling
<hno>
rah, is that script.bin what is in the android image, or just a random A31 EVB one?
<arokux2>
ZetaNeta, feel free to read our wiki! :)
<rah>
hno: I have the extracted parts of the stock android image so I can compare if I can get the script.bin from it
<ZetaNeta>
Turl, SOUNDS GREAT! When i got it, i didnt even hope to ever get linux there
<rah>
hno: that is from the vendor's A31 pack tools
<ZetaNeta>
And just came here to ask, becouse of my lucky experience with a A10 Mpman MID74C
<vinifr>
hno, would be difficult to adapt mmc sunxi driver to mainline?
<hno>
rah, your boot log seems to indicate it thnks there is a battery and goes into emergency suspend.
<rah>
hno: ok, so it sounds like I need a more realistic script.bin
<hno>
rah, you really need to use a script.bin that matches your board. You can not use a random one for another board.
<rah>
hno: how can I get a script.bin from an image that runs on the board?
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: first step would be identifying if the tab is the same as another one already supported on uboot, or getting the data needed to build uboot otherwise
<Turl>
vinifr: does not look like it uses any clock that I can see
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<Turl>
vinifr: magic hardware :)
<vinifr>
Turl, yes, as I thought. because max freq. is 250Hz
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<arokux2>
Thu Jan 1 01:24:44 UTC 1970
<arokux2>
on my Mele box :)
<ZetaNeta>
hi
<ZetaNeta>
i got following files: boot.axf boot.ini drv_de.drv font24.sft font32.sft linux magic.bin os_show script.bin script0.bin sprite sprite.axf vendor
<ZetaNeta>
from a new and rare tablet
<ZetaNeta>
And surely unlisted
<ZetaNeta>
(Logicom TAB750)
<ZetaNeta>
does anyone needs those files from NANDA
<libv>
arokux2: just tapping up a rather massive blog entry about it
<libv>
arokux2: first paragraph contains a direct quote from my previous post: "Open source software is about power, politics, corporate affiliation, and loads and loads of noise."
<arokux2>
libv, what isn't? everything is politics.
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: can you run a10-meminfo on it?
<ZetaNeta>
And... what is it?
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: a program that dumps the memory controller registers and determines the timings, frequency, etc
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: there's a readme on there, go read it ;)
<ZetaNeta>
oliv3r, I had a long story of using different distros.
<oliv3r>
5.2 was interesting, booted up on the terminal, I had a dialup that i had no clue how to use, and i was young and had no idea really what this thing was and how to use it
<ZetaNeta>
Turl, Readme? Not hardcore!
<Turl>
ZetaNeta: you need to run a script after you xzcat it, go read the readme :)
<ZetaNeta>
can i unxz it and then dd? or xzcat does black magic?
<Turl>
yeah you can too
<Turl>
but that's two commands :)
<oliv3r>
mind you, I was one of those rare people that stuck with ms-dos for ages, only ran win31.exe when i had to
<ZetaNeta>
Do you want me to show you the "gentoo installing command"?
<ZetaNeta>
I am the one who uses NetBSD on mac68k
<ZetaNeta>
I am the one who is putting linux on a BT Freestyler 750 DECT phone
<oliv3r>
even with win95 it booted into dos :p
<ZetaNeta>
s/ler/le
<oliv3r>
but when i tried linux for real; i had slackware 7.0
<ZetaNeta>
PATRICFAG
<ZetaNeta>
brb
<ZetaNeta>
need to go
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