<paulk-leonov>
wens: not sure it outperforms rk3399 though
<wens>
paulk-leonov: it doesn't have to outperform with its price point
<wens>
huh... googling for rock pi produced an article from January that says "Rock Pi 4B outperforms Raspberry Pi 4"
<paulk-leonov>
yeah, although once again it will sadly be held up as one of the best devices out there despite its lack of ability to function at all with free software
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<libv>
paulk-leonov: it's amazing how that bs has been kept up for the last 7 years
<paulk-leonov>
yeah, especially given the resources they have available
<paulk-leonov>
but well, different priorities...
<wens>
reviews say playing youtube fullscreen is jerky
<wens>
sounds more like a problem with the software stack than anything else
<jernej>
are there any web browsers which use HW accelerated video decoding? AFAIK no, except if you use out-of-tree patches
<jernej>
I think having problems with yt in browsers is normal for any SoC
<wens>
jernej: only one I know of is the patched Chromium from RaspberryPi Foundation
<KotCzarny>
goebbels would be proud of all marketing scams
<wens>
and that only patches decoding, not the whole display compositing/blitting side
<jernej>
yeah, although they use mesa for RPi4, so at least with compositing they shouldn't have much issues
<paulk-leonov>
jernej: well, except there's a chance GPU is a bottleneck for 4K
<paulk-leonov>
and obv there's no plane integration
<paulk-leonov>
although the rpi has many planes available
<jernej>
ah, true
<wens>
jernej: does mesa already support the new GPU?
<jernej>
yes
<wens>
that was fast
<paulk-leonov>
wens: it's v3d
<paulk-leonov>
which was integrated a while ago
<paulk-leonov>
there's also a kernel-side driver around already
<wens>
oh. I thought that was videocore 5, while rpi4 is vc6
<paulk-leonov>
rpi4 is vc5
<wens>
ok, then some chart listed it wrong :p
<paulk-leonov>
probably :)
<jernej>
no, everyone is talking about VideoCore VI, but that seems to equal vc5
<jernej>
so everyone is confused if it is 5 or 6
<paulk-leonov>
I can tell you for sure it's vc5
<paulk-leonov>
but don't ask me how I know :)
<jo0nas>
is that a marketing stunt too? "VI isn't the rmal presentation of 6 but another spelling of 5" ;-)
<jo0nas>
roman*
<jernej>
paulk-leonov: I have pretty good idea how you know :)
<jernej>
anyway, now they promised v4l2 HW decoding driver
<wens>
v4l2 still doesn't have support for MMAL decoding though, so one still needs the patched version for video decoding
<paulk-leonov>
yeah their MMAL stuff is quite horriblre
<paulk-leonov>
horrible*
<wens>
there were patches against mainline floating around. don't know what happened
<paulk-leonov>
I've worked on it a bit, it's a long way there
<paulk-leonov>
it's not mainline-compliant
<paulk-leonov>
at this point
<paulk-leonov>
the whole MMAL thing is a mess too
<wens>
IIRC the initial version was just moving the MMAL stuff in-kernel
<wens>
similarly to what was done for the camera
<paulk-leonov>
it's also not native but firmware mailbox as usual
<paulk-leonov>
wens: but they do have a native propert driver for the camera in development
<paulk-leonov>
but not for the codec side yet
<paulk-leonov>
proper driver*
<wens>
native, as in not firmware mailbox, or not-MMAL ?
<paulk-leonov>
both IIRC :)
<wens>
sounds good
<paulk-leonov>
like, it actually writes to hardware registers
<wens>
but then it wouldn't be doing encoded H.264 output, right?
<jernej>
well, current LibreELEC 10 goal is to use v4l2 driver for video decoding on RPi
<wens>
because that was done by the firmware handling the pipeline
<jernej>
and Kodi 19 goal
<jernej>
and get rid of all MMAL stuff
<wens>
I still have trouble understanding Kodi, LibreELEC, *ELEC
<wens>
AFAICU, Kodi is the player itself, and *ELEC is the distro or image around it?
<jernej>
LibreELEC is just minimal distro to run Kodi
<jernej>
yes
<jernej>
it fits in about 100 MiB compressed
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<wens>
hmm, bcm2711 moved to 28nm instead of old 40nm process
<wens>
w/ PCIe connecting the USB 3.0 hosts
<fALSO>
lol
<wens>
and proper internal GbE controller
<fALSO>
everyone is crayz with the new rpi today
<fALSO>
crazy
<wens>
at least they're learning? :p
<KotCzarny>
if they dont cripple it and keep the low price, it would be a killer
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<KotCzarny>
lets hope they b0rk it similar to aw ;)
<wens>
KotCzarny: I don't think it would matter, at least until they come out with a compute module where you can use the PCIe lanes yourself
<wens>
KotCzarny: but b0rking it like aw is a huge fail :)
<wens>
fALSO: likely because they've been dragging their feet in terms of performance? :p
<fALSO>
lol
<fALSO>
i wish there was an orange pi reseller in europe
<fALSO>
so i could buy the options with moar ram
<fALSO>
because otherwise the portuguese customs will rob me :-P
<wens>
has the EU increased tariffs against China as well? or was the duty already high? :p
<karlp>
I'm not sure I follow how you only get robbed on the higher ram version?
<karlp>
what would a local reseller get you othe than potentially faster shipping?
<jo0nas>
perhaps s/reseller/smuggler/ ;-)
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<wens>
lol
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<fALSO>
if something passes over 25€
<fALSO>
we get robbed bu the customs in portugal
<fALSO>
they just invent taxes
<wens>
I doubt the reseller would be able to bypass that
<fALSO>
ya :-X
<KotCzarny>
wens: in .pl you can get slapped by vat (23%) and customs if you order more expensive stuff
<fALSO>
i wish that in portugal we had something to PRE-CALCULATE
<fALSO>
what we are going to pay beforehand
<KotCzarny>
but oftern packages go unslapped
<MoeIcenowy>
hope it can be an end for All 7/53 Winner
<MoeIcenowy>
;-)
<KotCzarny>
naah
<KotCzarny>
opipc rulez :>
<Hellsenberg>
opi is nice
<Hellsenberg>
even if not high-end (2 GB max ram I think) it's reasonably priced
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<fALSO>
Linux orangepipc 5.2.0-rc6 #47 SMP Mon Jun 24 11:38:03 WEST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
<fALSO>
=)
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<wens>
latency for broadcom wifi chips is horrible :/
<fALSO>
lol wifi
<paulk-leonov>
MoeIcenowy: are there A73 allwinner socs?
<KotCzarny>
dont confuse allwinner series with arm cores used on them
<wens>
fALSO: the realtek ones work ok
<wens>
paulk-leonov: I believe she meant a7 _and_ a53?
<paulk-leonov>
oh right
<paulk-leonov>
but let's not forget about good'ol cortex A8 and its VFPv3
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<megi>
I don't think they worry for cooling that much
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<MoeIcenowy>
paulk-leonov: A8 has no ARMv8-A
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<[TheBug]>
From what I read they made it to progressively throttle so it doesn't get too hot, so unless you have some cooling it most likely is always throttling
<Mangy_Dog>
im currently working on a project
<Mangy_Dog>
not tested it yet, but seriously considdering this fan
<libv>
it's sadly planar and not packed, and i need to go poke all input/output combinations to see whether i can get packed out
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<libv>
raw stream/pass-through only deals with the first channel sadly
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<sunshavi>
rpi4 has 4 Gb ram. opi should have the same option (that is needed for a desktop machine). My opi+2e with gimp and libreoffice asks 4 more memory ;)
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