<jaganteki>
it is doesn't like yocto. you can see the specific board configs in confgs/
<jaganteki>
like conventional u-boot/linux
<fALSO>
OK
<fALSO>
going to take a look
<jaganteki>
make the defconfig and select required configs.
<fALSO>
didnt knew this project jaganteki
<fALSO>
going to take a look
<fALSO>
thanks
<libv>
so there is no useful howto?
<libv>
just "use this distribution"?
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<libv>
heh.
<fALSO>
i know how to do the kernel part
<fALSO>
i just need to figure out the userland part
<fALSO>
so that i can do it on my "illegal" archlinux
<fALSO>
going to take a look at the buildroot recipe
<libv>
linux-sunxi should be distribution agnostic
<fALSO>
but from what i'm understanding
<fALSO>
it just seems to build uboot and kernel
<fALSO>
and that i know how to do
<libv>
and should give you the info to get things running without depending on a specific distribution
<fALSO>
i want to learn how to get the gpu working
<fALSO>
the mali thingy, and the video decoder
<libv>
there used to be a time, when i was doing the legwork for that, when you just followed a howto and there was a small makefile which checked your kernel module version, and which then installed a matching binary or complained
<fALSO>
i know that they work, because i saw it working on the jernej openelec fork
<libv>
now we have gotten to a world where you either use armbian, openelec, or the obscure buildroot?
<fALSO>
LOL
<libv>
jaganteki: is buildroot all you use?
<fALSO>
i use archlinux, illegaly
<fALSO>
i provide my own kernel and uboot
<libv>
why would it be illegal?
<fALSO>
because the arch guys dont like the orange pis i guess
<libv>
...
<libv>
who cares?
<fALSO>
i already emailed them to give them official support
<fALSO>
but... no response
<fALSO>
weirdly, im using it for like 1 year and a lot of months
<fALSO>
and everything works ok =)
<libv>
just do the work, document your steps in the wiki, hope that others, who definitely will be profitting from your work, will contribute too and improve or update your information
<fALSO>
libv,
<libv>
now, buildroot at least has some build system
<fALSO>
if there is a need to have a page like this one on the sunxi wiki
<fALSO>
it would help a lot of people
<libv>
it should always be english
<fALSO>
i can make it in english
<libv>
translations are counterproductive
<libv>
you can do whatever you want on your personal page
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<fALSO>
i did this for myself, so i dont forget all the steps ;-P
<fALSO>
and in portuguese because... im from portugal LOL
<fALSO>
i also have a apge like that for the orange pi pc 2
<libv>
but the purpose of a wiki is that you first) document what you are doing so you do not have to re-invent everything in the future second) people can use that info you collected, and improve or update it, so it does not rot over time
<fALSO>
and for the orange pi one plus
<fALSO>
the ones that i have
<libv>
the first step, you have already seen the power of that
<fALSO>
libv, are you the wiki admin ?
<libv>
the second, you will find out
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<libv>
fALSO: the sunxi wiki is structured like it is, because of the thousands of manhours i put in
<fALSO>
if there is a need of a page like this one, i will create it, in english
<mru>
anyone ought to be able to understand that tiny amount of portuguese
<libv>
stick whatever you want in there, specifically those nice to have tidbits of information that probably do not need to go in the actual wiki: http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Falsovsky
<fALSO>
thanks libv
<libv>
but keep it in english, so everyone can have some use of it
<fALSO>
yes
<fALSO>
ill do it later , when i get off work
<fALSO>
probably will help someone
<fALSO>
in the future =)
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<libv>
as for me not knowing portugese, i only speak 3 languages, and am able to somewhat help myself in highschool level french, i think i'm good without also dealing with portugese
<fALSO>
yes
<libv>
especially where i live
<fALSO>
in portuguese we learn english at shcool
<fALSO>
and optionally french
<fALSO>
i can also "understand" some spanish and some italian
<fALSO>
as they SOUND like portuguese hehe
<libv>
fALSO: my mother tongue is dutch, and the advantage of dutch and scandinavian languages is that everything on the TV has original sound and speech, with subtitles
<fALSO>
well
<fALSO>
i was on amsterdam a few years ago
<mru>
it's usually not very hard to understand a few sentences in any germanic or romance language
<fALSO>
and every american tv show that i saw on the tv
<fALSO>
they talked in DUTCH lol :-P
<libv>
and this is an issue for most other bigger language groups, germans lost the war so they had to be more open towards other cultures after the war, but still their general level of english is crap
<fALSO>
from what i know
<libv>
not half as bad as for instance, the french
<fALSO>
MOST of the european contries DUB everything
<libv>
fALSO: i have only seen that for childrens programming
<fALSO>
in portugal that just happens for kids shows
<libv>
fALSO: despite large swathes of south american speaking portugese?
<libv>
nice, i never knew that
<fALSO>
in brasil they DUB EVERYTHING
<mru>
a nice thing with netflix is that you can choose the audio and subtitles you prefer
<fALSO>
yes
<libv>
i had assumed that it was like with spanish and french
<fALSO>
damn, imagine going to the cinema
<fALSO>
see a swarzengger film
<fALSO>
and he talked in spanish - LOL
<libv>
with a bad fake austrian accent
<mru>
do they dub him with a german accent?
<fALSO>
lol
<fALSO>
well the buildroot doesnt seem to help me
<fALSO>
buildroot doesnt have anything related with the GPU
<libv>
some people here told me that for some films overdubbing is a must
<KotCzarny>
batman in swedish
<KotCzarny>
a must see
<KotCzarny>
;)
<libv>
it's just funnier as it is even more broken (yes, that's the sort of film they are talking about)
<KotCzarny>
or czech
<fALSO>
like those old chinese karate filmes
<KotCzarny>
also remarkable experience
<fALSO>
that were dubed in english
<fALSO>
LOL
<fALSO>
jackie chan and bruce lee
<fALSO>
that the mouths arent sincronized with the talks, thats so funny
<libv>
anyway, the internet is english, if you need to do anything with linux, you need to know english
<libv>
it's hard enough to keep information tight, useful and up to date, in english alone
<libv>
so do that in english
<KotCzarny>
and for any other language, gtranslate allows passing links
<libv>
if you need more than a single wiki page for your own notes on linux-sunxi, then you are doing something wrong, then you should figure out what of the information you gathered there should go into the main wiki
<libv>
if you are worried about spelling or typos, don't be
<fALSO>
im used to use a mediawiki
<fALSO>
i use it at work, and have that mine private one
<fALSO>
were i gather all my notes about random stuff ;-)
<fALSO>
i really like it, most of people at my work dont really use it
<libv>
a wiki is an information multiplier
<libv>
every customer project that i am at, i first collect info and throw it into a wiki, and it is amazing how much faster i am after a few weeks, and how much faster other colleagues are when they get on board
<fALSO>
yes
<hellsenberg>
nice
<libv>
also, for attempting to bring up usb audio3 2 years ago, the only customer hw available was in manchester, and we needed to bring up mainline
<libv>
they bought an rpi
<libv>
and attached it to the customer device
<libv>
after a week they threw in the towel, and it took me 2-3d to (also) fix that
<libv>
rpi has no central wiki where those sorts of "pick this, pick that, watch out for that pitfall" for such things
<libv>
it's a handful of partial and out-of date blog entries at best
<libv>
and they all have slightly conflicting information
<mru>
most of the time, all you can find is an incorrect solution to a misunderstanding of a slightly different problem than yours
<libv>
and by the time you read it, it is wildly out of date already
<mru>
that too
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<willmore>
Save me from blog entries without dates.
<mru>
my favourite: forum post outlining exactly my problem with one reply from the OP: "never mind, I fixed it"
<willmore>
Oh, FFS, yes, that!
<mru>
or you get a google hit on a mailing list post that looks promising, then you realise it was written by you 5 years ago, no replies
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* willmore
has actually done that.
<mru>
I didn't invent that scenario out of thin air
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<willmore>
I can do you one better. I've googled for a solution to a problem, found a nice mailing list entry about it, read it all the way through, thinking "Oh, that's a good point" all the while only to get to the bottom and see my old .sig from college.
<martinayotte>
willmore: :-)
<mru>
next level is thinking "ffs, what an idiot" before seeing said sig
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<willmore>
Can you site yourself as a source? Wikipedia wants to know.
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<megi>
I wrote constantly to the poor thing over the last 2 years, so maybe it run out of spare blocks, or something
<martinayotte>
That some kind of junk box ... :-P
<martinayotte>
Maybe, but in my case, they are not half full, so I guess there is more than 32GB bad sectors ... :-(
<martinayotte>
Or crappy controller firmware ... They are not really a known brand ...
<mru>
sign of a crappy usb device: vid/pid = abcd:1234
<megi>
linux is not all that unhappy when a device silently ignores writes, I can mount the card, modify files, read them back, fsync, umount, all without an error :)
<megi>
then after remount it's as if nothing changed, but putting a swap on it is a read line it seems
<megi>
red
<megi>
swapping out something, and swapping back in something unexpectedly different is not pretty
<mru>
the page cache disagreeing with the block device contents is never a good idea
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<megi>
yeah, I'd expect if this was a fail safe mechanism, the card would return errors on write attempts
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<willmore>
megi, does it still fail after a power cycle?
<willmore>
mru serial=0123456789
<megi>
yes
<willmore>
There's a utility from the SD card association that runs on Windows which might be able to erase it.
<willmore>
Or maybe use fstrim with manual block lists... I think you can do that.
<megi>
interesting, I'll try it out
<willmore>
Not sure that will help, but maybe knowing it's completely blank will get it to wake up.
<willmore>
Yeah, fstrim has offset and length values. You could tell it the whole card, it seems.
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