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<plaes> _DarkSky_: for faster iterations you can usb-fel boot
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<Ixnus> wens: mripard: mripard_: why don't you ask wink about that camera clock ?
<Ixnus> megi: hi
<Ixnus> megi: I opened my pocketbook today to take photos
<Ixnus> but cracked the screen more than it was cracked already :(
<Ixnus> it's written pocketbook 626 outside and inside
<Ixnus> I don't know is it "2" or "3"
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<Ixnus> Would you like to send it to you as early holiday gift ?
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<megi> Ixnus: Do you have a photo?
<megi> of the board :)
<megi> in the middle of the board there should be some identifying information
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<megi> I learned a bit more about the displays in the meantime (even found some datasheets) and I suspect the board is the same, and just the displays are different between Touch lux 2 and 3, because the display interface has identical pinout.
<megi> and my tl3 firmware contains wbf file for tl3 and tl2 displays for whatever reason
<megi> also it's possible to cheap out and just buy a display variant without touch/backlight for $13 on aliexpress (I'll receive one in a few days, and I'll test it), if you still want to experiment with your device
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<Ixnus> megi: IDIG_EO28 PB626-V1.4 20110625
<Ixnus> I'm not sure is it "O" or "0"
<megi> that looks like tl2 that's here https://linux-sunxi.org/images/0/0d/PB626_TL2_-_board.jpg except older
<Ixnus> OK is zero E028
<Ixnus> Do you want it ?
<Ixnus> Ops it's the sam
<Ixnus> same
<Ixnus> 20140625
<Ixnus> the "4" is deleted a bit here and looks like "1"
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<megi> From the looks of it's the same thing I have, so it's not worth the hassle with sending
<megi> layout is slightly different, but all the major components are the same
<megi> I bet you can just boot my image on it and it would work :)
<megi> I have v 1.6 of the board, and they just dropped some optional stuff (pads for a NAND chip and the alternate display setup)
<megi> the rest looks the same
<Ixnus> I suspect that for Linux and U-boot they are the ame.
<megi> the linux-sunxi page says so
<Ixnus> same*
<Ixnus> Are you in EU ?
<megi> yes
<Ixnus> I'm not be able to do anything with it soon.
<Ixnus> Let me send it to you.
<megi> I already have 2 :)
<Ixnus> both 3 ?
<megi> it would just lay here
<megi> yes, but it's the same thing
<Ixnus> OK.
<megi> and I already have the support finished, it's just now basically about playing with the display, and broken one will not help with that
<Ixnus> Can you send most basic DT to linux and u-boot ?
<megi> now I'm waiting on the new ones I ordered
<KotCzarny> doesnt it have different screen?
<megi> it's the same interface
<KotCzarny> firmware/format might be different, but yeah, booting the image would confirm/deny it
<megi> even touch controller is the same
<Ixnus> Then add up the peripherals
<megi> I'll not try to mainline the display support though, I dislike the framebuffer abstraction for it and how a ton of stuff would have to be done in SW in kernel space to make it work nicely. It's much easier to play with from userspace with just a very lightweight kernelspace driver for sending raw frames to the display.
<KotCzarny> megi: what about adding it to fbtft somehow?
<Ixnus> Sure.
<KotCzarny> it's smart enough to update only drawn regions
<megi> Ixnus: Yeah, I'll slowly mainline parts of the support, it's not much stuff
<KotCzarny> and provides most of the kernel abstraction handily
<megi> most of it is updating the rotted cyttsp driver
<megi> that nothing uses in the mainline kernel :)
<Ixnus> Review and merge takes time.
<megi> I know, I send patches from time to time
<megi> KotCzarny: the display just works differently than tft displays
<megi> updates stick to the display :) so you can't just continually scan out the framebuffer out
<KotCzarny> that's why i mention fbtft smartness
<KotCzarny> it only sends changed bits to the display
<KotCzarny> because i2c/spi is slow, and it had to work around that
<megi> that's still not enough, you may need to toggle the bits a bit back/forth, send some bits multiple times, and some not, etc.
<megi> based on what UI you're showing, if it's text or just some menu button
<Ixnus> OK, megi: thanks for your great work. Think about it you can have tl2 vs tl3 side by side to spot the diferences and also try your images and13$ aliexpress display on both.
<megi> Ixnus: thanks, I'll let you know
<Ixnus> I'll try to set up some tooling but it will take me some time
<megi> I publish kernel/u-boot images
<megi> so if you just want to try with some userspace, they're on my website
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<megi> I use arch linux with it
<megi> just let me know and I'll update them to the latest build I have
<megi> it has USB ethernet enabled, and I connect to it over ssh over usb :D
<Ixnus> need usb-ttl and soldering iron (i'm software kiddie)
<megi> you don't really
<megi> usb serial console is also a thing
<KotCzarny> +1 for usb ethernet
<megi> over the usb port that's on the device
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<megi> actually one usecase I have for these pocketbooks is to have them connected like this, over usb ethernet, and use them as drawing tablets or as external displays for more pleasant of web pages :)
<megi> reading
<megi> send-page-to-pocketbook :)
<KotCzarny> or 'always on status displays'
<megi> yeah, also a fun use case
<megi> with touch controls!
<KotCzarny> yup
<KotCzarny> touch controlled audio player frontend
<megi> e-book reading is just a boring usecase :D
<megi> and the last status will stay displayed even if the power goes down and everything crashes
<KotCzarny> yup
<megi> and it will read "EVERYTHING CRASHED" :D
<KotCzarny> nooope
<KotCzarny> it will display last status
<KotCzarny> ;)
<KotCzarny> if everything crashes you dont have a way to send sos
<KotCzarny> unless you override kernel's oops routine
<megi> it's battery powered and has wifi, so it can become autonomous!
<megi> oh, I meant if everything it monitors outside crashes
<megi> nice monitoring device for my borad farm :)
<KotCzarny> yeah, i love the idea of eink in general
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<mru> I want an oled/eink hybrid: oink
<megi> oink oink
<KotCzarny> that will be a power pig
<KotCzarny> :P
<megi> you probably need a better arketing term for that
<megi> marketing
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<MoeIcenowy> it's possible to have oink ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> Organic Ink
<KotCzarny> boink - better oink
<KotCzarny> ;)
<mru> MoeIcenowy: that's just a plain old pen
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<MoeIcenowy> mru: oh this is not cool
<megi> all I find under "organic ink" are some tatoo studios
<mru> pen ink contains various organic compounds
<KotCzarny> old style pen ink was octopus made
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<KotCzarny> 100% organic
<karlp> probably mostly squid I'd say, given the catch volumes...
<karlp> but, htat's going on current fishing rates, no historical insight to pen ink :)
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<hlauer> Hi, the alsa driver sun4i-i2s.c changed in 5.3 and 5.4 versions - is there a (simple) example of a platform driver source file which I can try to follow ?
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<ullbeking> is there any benefit in investiging in high quality hdmi cables? or should i just get the amazon basics cable?
<ullbeking> (compared to the well known benefits of investing in good quality sd cards, which is a good idea.)
<vagrantc> is the pine_h64 reasonably well supported in mainline linux, u-boot, arm-trusted-firmware? e.g. has ethernet, usb, storage media, serial console at the very least?
<anarsoul> vagrantc: as far as I know ethernet is not supported yet in u-boot
<vagrantc> but works in linux?
<vagrantc> that's passable for me :)
* vagrantc was wondering about adding support for H6 systems to debian and guix
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<gnarface> ullbeking: higher quality cables can help, if you have something that can benefit in some way from more recent hdmi features. Monster brand cables are definitely overpriced and overkill, but i bought a 50' amazon basics cable and it couldn't perform as rated, so you probably should try to find the middle ground ...
<gnarface> (the amazon cable claimed 1080p@60 but it could only manage 1080i@60)
<karlp> 50' hdmi?!
<karlp> how could it claim anything?
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<gnarface> they put a hdmi version on it. they're required to actually match the feature set of the version they claim. iirc there was a law suit
<gnarface> or a mass recall at least. or something like that
<lurchi__> the dampening matters, and newer standards require higher frequencies/low dampening at high frequencies
<gnarface> karlp: i did eventually find a brand that worked as advertised, without a booster
<gnarface> it wasn't Monster, it was something that looked like it had been put out by the hdmi consortium directly as some sort of reference cable or something like that. i couldn't figure it out.
<karlp> you just got lucky :)
<karlp> (IMO)
<karlp> what does hdmi spec on cable lengths?
<gnarface> it was about twice the price of the amazon basics one but still significantly cheaper than the Monster brand ones
<karlp> do they spec anything, or just "make sure losses are x and call it good"?
<gnarface> karlp: i think 50' is the max without a powered, in-line signal booster, but you see a lot of 50' cables with boosters too
<lurchi__> they do a specification, but do not verify any gear
<lurchi__> (though there are plugfests, AFAIK)
<gnarface> and for whatever it's worth, i hooked that cable up to the projector and guests noticed the image quality improvement without my prompting
<gnarface> (they didn't know i had changed cables)
<karlp> you what?
<gnarface> since it's a digital video signal, i have to assume it is because the higher-bandwidth cable allowed the dvr to sync up with a higher-bitrate codec or something like that? i don't know enough to do more than speculate. i do hate these type of hidden compatibility issues though
<karlp> does hdmi really do "image quality" vs "working/notworking" ?
<gnarface> karlp: this is what i'm telling you. i was surprised too.
<gnarface> but it's not about analog signal degredation, it's about feature sets and fallback data formats
<gnarface> the work/not work part is when the signal degrades too far
<karlp> right, I guess that makes sense.
<karlp> duh, I feel a bit stupid now
<karlp> this is like youtube giving me low res.
<lurchi__> there is no handshake, the sender just transmits what the receiver allows per DDC
<ullbeking> wow, i'm glad i asked because it seems it /does/ make a difference...
<gnarface> but the hdmi spec is a minefield of overlapping data exchange formats and protocols, and it's supposed to work transparently but now as i can see, sometimes it "transparently" falls back to something noticably inferior
<karlp> lurchi__:is there anything that does reneg?
<ullbeking> the one i'm trying to order is about 1.8m in length