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<smaeul> megi: martinayotte: I pushed an updated patch that should work with sun5i (https://github.com/smaeul/linux/commit/6a53799bdc49871c9b3c21d81c6079ed2f2a90ec)
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<wens> smaeul: why do you need to check the clk pointers in mv64xxx_i2c_runtime_resume() if you don't do so in other places?
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<megi> did anyone try to fry any Allwinner SoC with just a CPU load? is it possible?
<diizzy> I'm pretty sure I managed to do that with my H5 board
<mru> without thermal management in high ambient temperature, probably
<diizzy> It randomly core dumped process after that incident
<diizzy> processes
<mru> just sitting on my desk, an H3 hits 80° and starts throttling at full load
<megi> interesting
<mru> I haven't checked how high it goes without thermal throttling
<diizzy> I've read about people frying H2+ boards
<diizzy> So it's most likely possible :)
<mru> we've had a few fried H3 devices returned
<mru> turned out we hadn't properly enabled thermal management
<diizzy> My H5 board didn't have any thermal management enabled
<megi> yeah, 10k Pinephone users are running around with thermal throttling disabled, so I was wondering if there's some non SW failsafe in the SoC
<diizzy> I guess you can get anyway with if as long as you dont go full blast as far as cpufreq goes
<megi> perhaps not
<megi> yeah
<mru> I wouldn't intentionally risk it
<megi> right
<diizzy> I my H6 board is ~63C with a large chipset heatsink full blast
<diizzy> without any case
<megi> ha, that's large :)
<diizzy> H5 --> top right
<megi> I have fan blowing from the side on my Opi 3 and it has similar temps compiling with -j4
<diizzy> with fine as long as you have it full open or with slight airflow in a case
<megi> without any heatsink
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<diizzy> The M8S box is a Amlogic S905X which should similar temp as the H6 which is to be expected since its the same lithograph (?) and arch
<megi> so I guess, there's no failsafe
<diizzy> At least I found a use for ~10y old heatsinks ;)
<megi> :)
<diizzy> RK3399 seems to run a bit cooler
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<MoeIcenowy> diizzy: some H5 boards are known to have too high DRAM freq
<MoeIcenowy> which leads to random coredump
<Ashleee> you and your fleets :) I went rackmount! :D https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606545833437167655/730320612333191298/IMG_20200708_091238.jpg (hope you can see this)
<Ashleee> power board tbd :D
<KotCzarny> ashleee: lego-mount those babies, then you can brag
<KotCzarny> ;)
<Ashleee> :D
<Ashleee> I 3D printed those rack mounts, but thin PLA and some weight do not go together sadly
<KotCzarny> :)
<KotCzarny> this one is funny too
<diizzy> MoeIcenowy: Orange Pi PC2 fwiw, my other one works great
<diizzy> ...and it work fine before it overheated
<diizzy> Ashleee: that looks like its going to fall apart at anytime ;)
<montjoie> KotCzarny: hé hé hé
<KotCzarny> :)
<Ashleee> diizzy, yeah, there's about 1.5mm thick walls in some places so it is bending a lot :D which is why I found those cheap 1U shelves and going to switch to those as bases
<montjoie> note that I need to publish the updated lab 4
<KotCzarny> all those diy mounting solutions are a great ideas mine
<diizzy> Ashleee: Yeah, PETG would probably be more suitable
<Ashleee> yeah
<Ashleee> or just aluminum/iron :D
<Ashleee> and then 3D print just small cases for each that slides in
<KotCzarny> drilling in metal is awful
<KotCzarny> lots of tiny dust
<diizzy> "Printing" iron will be a bit hard, at least at home ;-P
<Ashleee> pfft
<Ashleee> haha
<Ashleee> drilling is fine, last time I drilled with 3 cats around me
<Ashleee> and an accu drill that has been turned into wired drill
<KotCzarny> try that without protective glasses
<Ashleee> with old printer power supply that cannot hold high RPM :D
<Ashleee> what glasses?
<Ashleee> :)
<KotCzarny> get a tiny speck on metal in the eye
<KotCzarny> you will know what glasses
<diizzy> and your f'ed
<Ashleee> I don't have high enough RPM drill for that, also I always keep my distance
<Ashleee> I've had metalwork stuff at school for a year
<Ashleee> and almost killed somebody by an accident :)
<Ashleee> with a lathe
<diizzy> Speaking if printing, it like I need to make my own case with pcie card support for the rockpro64 :/
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<montjoie> I still didnt took the time to properly set boards in the right place
<KotCzarny> :)
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<gediz539> Ashleee, montjoie: cool labs :)
<montjoie> gediz539: the work one is better (and more large), I need to pick a photo of it
<montjoie> found an old photo kernel.montjoie.ovh/lab-3.jpg
<montjoie> I want shorter cable!!
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<KotCzarny> make one?
<KotCzarny> :)
<fALSO> LOL
<fALSO> LOL montjoie
<fALSO> wghat a nice mess
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<montjoie> note that it is planned to create a hole between two stack and hide cable below the wood
<montjoie> KotCzarny: maked cable are potential less reliable
<KotCzarny> yes, but if you dont touch them too much its good enough [tm]
<montjoie> you mean ®™© ? ALTGR+shift+c/r/8
<KotCzarny> no (r)(c), just [tm]
<montjoie> anyway, FTDI are 15€, cuting them is hard
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<montjoie> but I found FTDI on aliexpress without thecable (and cheaper)
<wens> beware of counterfeits
<montjoie> yes cheapest one does not have the serialID, which is a requirement
<montjoie> but I found some which have it
<Ashleee> wow I literally replaced a power supply and several cables because some devices were suddenly "dying" only to find out I had losened one screw and it was creating about 500mV drop on it...
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<karlp> cp210x modules are super cheap, and they all come with a 000001 serial, but you can set a custom serial yourself
<megi> plenty of 25cm utp cables on the market
<megi> Ashleee: I made a nice switchbox :) https://megous.com/dl/tmp/abed1778826a43fd.png
<KotCzarny> lol
<KotCzarny> add some leds to it
<megi> everything is soldered
<KotCzarny> and make them blink
<megi> why? :)
<KotCzarny> dont ask why, its a must ;)
<megi> haha
<Werner> lol
<megi> boards blink enough already
<MoeIcenowy> diizzy: opi pc2 is one known DRAM unstable board
<wens> huge heatsink
<KotCzarny> :)
<wens> looks glued on?
<megi> yes
<wens> heat transferring glue?
<megi> special glue
<megi> yes
<wens> nice
<Werner> thermal adhesive to say
<wens> likely beats the thermal double-sided tape I use
<megi> exactly
<hell__> trying to lift the heatsink probably pulls out the chip underneath as well
<megi> something like this
<megi> I didn't try yet :)
<wens> hell__: I remember a picture showing an Intel chip with the socket pulled off the motherboard ...
<hell__> sounds painful
<wens> Werner: these look nice
<MoeIcenowy> wens: I usually see pictures about AMD chips stuck to the cooler
<MoeIcenowy> ;-)
<hell__> ah yes, that too
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<wens> hell__: only the end result was shown. I for one am very curious how it happened
<hell__> MoeIcenowy: that also happened with socket 478 Pentium 4's
<megi> surface mounted socket?
<MoeIcenowy> I think for boards that need heatsink
<MoeIcenowy> they *should* have mount holes
<hell__> the CPU would come along the heatsink, because the thermal paste was stronger than the retention mechanism
<MoeIcenowy> in this case our heat inducting material can do what it should do only
<megi> these opi pcs don't really need a heatsink though
<wens> megi: probably the old ZIF sockets
<megi> I just added them for effect and to make cleaning harder
<MoeIcenowy> yes, I think OPi PCs work well @1.2GHz w/o heatsink
<megi> that's why I also screw them all together to one block
<MoeIcenowy> OPi PCs have good passive cooling themselves
<mru> the amd sp3 socket seems rather bullet-proof
<wens> they are quite warm though
<wens> mru: hence the "pulled off" socket? :p
<hell__> CPU stuck to heatsink wasn't much of a problem, you just had to be careful not to lower the heatsink against the socket (would easily cause bent pins)
<wens> only the solder balls remained
<MoeIcenowy> I have also a SBC stack made with screws
<mru> wens: it's bolted through the PCB
<MoeIcenowy> but it's mixed, with ALL-H3-CC H5 + BPi M2 Berry + Rock64
<MoeIcenowy> even SoC vendor is mixed ;-)
<mru> and a bolted-down bracket holds the cpu in place
<hell__> LGA sockets apply pressure, so they need to be reinforced
<megi> this is a mix of PC and PC2's
<wens> I always found the stand-offs don't align correctly when stacking boards
<megi> and some One's on the side
<MoeIcenowy> BTW
<megi> also the heat increases from bottom to top
<MoeIcenowy> with the newly introduced USB2.0 HDMI capture card (according to cnx-software, sold at $11, but I got it in China only with around ~$7
<megi> each level has a higher temperature :)
<MoeIcenowy> maybe we can mess with some more strange things on CI ;-)
<wens> megi: lay it on its side then?
<megi> that risks that when one heatsink separates it will short the board above it
<megi> I just blow some air from the side
<KotCzarny> MoeIcenowy: does it work?
<KotCzarny> ie. not a scam?
<megi> USB 2.0?
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: it is heavily restricted by the bandwidth of USB2
<KotCzarny> video card on usb
<MoeIcenowy> for 720p60/1080p30 it needs to be MJPG compressed
<megi> does it encode to some crappy h264?
<megi> ah
<MoeIcenowy> it encodes to MJPG
<KotCzarny> 720p isnt bad, even if mjpg
<MoeIcenowy> or you can get 720p10 or 1080p5 at uncompressed YUV
<MoeIcenowy> yes, not good, but I think it's really worth $10
<megi> I could use that, I have a good quality camcoder that can live output to HDMI, but capturing that is expensive
<KotCzarny> oh right, have you checked encrypted video?
<MoeIcenowy> nope
<MoeIcenowy> I have no encrypted video source
<KotCzarny> run android? ;)
<megi> do you have a link? I can't find it on cnx
<KotCzarny> megi: lots of them on aliexpress
<KotCzarny> just sort by price
<megi> are they all the same thing?
<MoeIcenowy> megi: yes
<MoeIcenowy> even the same marking on the shell
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: I have android phone with video out
<KotCzarny> dvd player might work too
<MoeIcenowy> but I never subscribe to something that needs DRM
<KotCzarny> netflix?
<KotCzarny> :)
<MoeIcenowy> is there any free encrypted videos on NF to try?
<KotCzarny> i doubt it
<KotCzarny> dvd player might be easiest to try
<wens> or ps4 + bluray
<MoeIcenowy> I have no PS4, only switch
<megi> there are even 4k USB 2.0 capture cards
<megi> ;)
<KotCzarny> for 10usd? ;)
<megi> no that'd be 13usd
<KotCzarny> might be upscaled mjpg then
<KotCzarny> :>
<MoeIcenowy> maybe it's still this card
<MoeIcenowy> this card supports 4K in
<MoeIcenowy> but 1080p out
<megi> is mjpeg quality selectable?
<MoeIcenowy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EigcIOgG4Is&feature=youtu.be BTW a demo 720p video by myself, recorded to share with friends ;-)
<megi> using uvc controls or something?
<MoeIcenowy> (it's recompressed by obs to h.264
<MoeIcenowy> megi: not selectable
<megi> damn
<MoeIcenowy> BTW it will generate 2 /dev/video nodes
<MoeIcenowy> but what's the usage of the 2nd node is still unknown
<KotCzarny> if in doubt, check the source code
<megi> are those artefacts from recompression to h264?
<diizzy> montjoie: ftdi stuff on aliexpress is probably not genuine
<diizzy> MoeIcenowy: Oh, I see
<MoeIcenowy> I think MJPG is more good at producing artefacts than H264
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<megi> recompressed artefacts :)
<KotCzarny> also different encoding algo
<KotCzarny> each frame in mjpg is key frame
<KotCzarny> so less bandwidth available
<MoeIcenowy> but more simple
<diizzy> you also have these ethernet capture devices that are "fairly" cheap afaik
<diizzy> using some ite chip afaik
<megi> USB 2.0 should be enough bandwidth for 720p@60 8bit RGB
<diizzy> Lenkeng LKV373
<megi> even for 1080p@60
<megi> well maybe not with isochronous transfers
<megi> that seems capped at 187Mbit/s
<KotCzarny> and efficient interrupts management
<KotCzarny> also, uncompressd yuv might pack quite well even with gzip
<KotCzarny> or some lzo
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<megi> there are also USB 3.0 cards for the same price, go figure :)
<KotCzarny> as in usb3 compatible or using usb3 features? ;)
<megi> looks like usb 3.0 badnwidth
<megi> ah, tricks, lol they list usb 2.0 + usb 3.0 card in the same listing to draw people at the cheap price of 2.0 card
<megi> 3.0 is $40
<KotCzarny> dont forget that some scam on shipping costs
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<montjoie> diizzy: yes I know what I can get from aliexpress, my worst xp was a counterfeit of a counterfeit USB net dongle
<KotCzarny> lol
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<diizzy> montjoie: cp2xxx as suggested earlier as a better choice, you can find "cheap" ftdi stuff even in eu that's geniune
<diizzy> err
<diizzy> sorry
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