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<no-defun-allowed> Is it possible to define custom autocompletion rules in SLIME?
<Xach> no-defun-allowed: i will unhelpfully observe that autocompletion is written in elisp and you can write your own if you like. (sorry)
<no-defun-allowed> Xach: Fair enough. No need to apologise though, the second half does technically answer my question.
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
<ebrasca> Morning beach!
<ebrasca> Morning!
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<phoe> no-defun-allowed: what sorta autocompletion do you mean?
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<splittist> good morning
<beach> Hello splittist.
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<phoe> morning
<phoe> and woop, we've discovered a CFFI bug
<beach> Hello phoe.
<phoe> hey beach
* beach is not bothered by CFFI bugs.
<phoe> I'm well aware of that (:
<beach> :)
<beach> What hotel are you staying at in Zürich?
<no-defun-allowed> phoe: I was hoping to write some code that would allow SLIME to suggest symbol names from my own namespace (opcode names, which are the keys of a hash-table somewhere) in a macro (define-script).
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<no-defun-allowed> It's not really important, but it would be neat as I sometimes forget the opcode names. Maybe I should pick better names.
<phoe> no-defun-allowed: I'll casually suggest keywords, as usual
<phoe> beach: I haven't registered yet and will likely not come this year, since I need to route my money elsewhere this year - wedding preparations, most notably. The new pandemic also contributes to that.
<beach> phoe: I see. Too bad you can't make it.
<phoe> I know. :(
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<madrik> I read that SBCL 2.0.2 features 'block compilation', an aspect of CMUCL. How and where is this helpful?
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<madrik> The CMU docs say that 'it preserves efficiency in programs even when (for readability and syntactic convenience) they are broken up into many small functions.'
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<madrik> Shinmera: That's a very good article. Thanks. It explains the idea and implementation well.
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<Posterdati> LiamH: hi!
<LiamH> Hi Posterdati
<Posterdati> LiamH: I submitted patches for cffi under openbsd and freebsd to let them run sbcl + gsll/antik
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<LiamH> Good.
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<Posterdati> LiamH: did you take a look to the patches I submitted to you for gsll?
<LiamH> Do you have a merge request on gitlab?
<Posterdati> LiamH: no
<Posterdati> LiamH: I sent them by email
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<Posterdati> LiamH: but I patched cffi and gsll/antil compiled with no patch on groveller
<Posterdati> LiamH: so I think someone corrected the problem
<LiamH> What do you want me to do?
<Posterdati> LiamH: would be nice if someone could put up 3 or 4 virtual machines to test antik and gsll under netbsd, freebsd and openbsd, I could lend an hand to configure and install
<Posterdati> LiamH: nothing I'm only say to you what I did :)
<LiamH> OK
<Posterdati> LiamH: is there anyone that could give us a bunch of virtual machines for free?
<LiamH> I have no idea.
<Posterdati> LiamH: are you interested in such a thing: I mean test these packages on different architectures/implementations?
<LiamH> I have no objection if someone else wants to do it. I lack the skills, knowledge, or time to do any of it.
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<LiamH> Also keep in mind that many tests fail already on Linux/SBCL. I have not had time to address those either.
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<Posterdati> LiamH: what about sbcl developer, how can they test various platforms?
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<LiamH> You'd have to ask them, see #sbcl.
<Posterdati> LiamH: well they could reduce in other archs :)
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<wsinatra> Posterdati: If the #SBCL channel is too slow you can try their official mailing list too. I believe they just release 2.0.2 this weekend, so they might have their heads down
<Posterdati> wsinatra: :)
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<jmercouris> if I use extern c in my c++ code, can I call it from CFFI directly, or do I have to make a C file that calls that code which I then bridge?
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<phoe> should be callable directly, since "extern C" instructs the compiler not to mangle the name
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<jmercouris> if I use extern c in my c++ code, can I call it from CFFI directly, or do I have to make a C file that calls that code which I then bridge?
<jmercouris> phoe: thanks, I'll give it a try
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<vms14> do you use sly instead of slime?
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<vms14> how I'm supposed to supply a path for cffi?
<vms14> (pushnew #P"/usr/pkg/lib/" cffi:*foreign-library-directories*) tried that but no effect
<vms14> also I see some packages have autowrap.lisp and tried to put the paths were it should find the .h, but nope
<vms14> I try to use cl-sdl2 or cl-opengl or whatever it's similar, but I'm not able to load them with quicklisp because they assume linux paths and nope
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<vms14> xD this one no
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<phoe> luis: maybe you could answer that one
<phoe> the only thing I was able to find was a CFFI bug that turned out to be a CFFI feature
<phoe> I need to go to sleep now to avoid creating more useless work for others
<vms14> I suppose I have to study about cffi
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<luis> phoe: sure. vms14, what are you trying to do?
<phoe> vms14: I assume trying to load a library on a non-Linux non-macOS unixlike OS
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<phoe> where default library paths are different
<luis> Usually, the Lisp invokes the OS's linker which is then in charge of finding the library
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<vms14> sorry I was afk
<vms14> it's netbsd
<vms14> and netbsd puts installed stuff in /usr/pkg/
<vms14> the only stuff I have no troubles with, it's clx and sqlite
<vms14> sqlite comes by default so it's installed in /usr/
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<luis> vms14: see the "Finding objects" section https://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?ld.elf_so+1+NetBSD-current
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<vms14> thanks luis
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<vms14> luis :O seems to work
<vms14> thanks so much, I was stuck with this with most of libraries, and thought I had to configure stuff in the lisp files
<vms14> :D
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<vms14> opengl could be loaded with quicklisp
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<vms14> sdl2 no because it's missing c2ffi
<vms14> Couldn't execute "c2ffi": No such file or directory
<vms14> but thanks you so much, I guess now much more libraries will work
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<luis> vms14: 👍
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<vms14> caught ERROR:; (during macroexpansion of (AUTOWRAP:C-INCLUDE '(SDL2 AUTOWRAP-SPEC ...) ...)); Couldn't execute "c2ffi": No such file or directory
<vms14> oh, I have no clang, so it's normal xD
<luis> vms14: I've got a 386 with NetBSD over there, but I haven't booted it in two decades.
<vms14> :O netbsd is nice
<vms14> specially if the hardware sucks
<luis> I upgraded it to 8 MB of RAM at some point.
<vms14> it seems there is no c2ffi package for netbsd
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<jmercouris> anyone know of a CL text to speech engine?
<jmercouris> It doesn't have to be purely in CL, it can call out to some OS specific system, just looking for a wrapper
<Shinmera> Google translate has a simple API you can make an HTTP request to that'll return an mp3 file.
<Shinmera> Not great if you need it to be private or offline, but probably the easiest otherwise.
<Balooga> Wrap that perhaps? I loved SAM on my C64
<jmercouris> Looking for offline, I know on macos I can call "say", not sure what to do on Linux, maybe there is an equivalent
<jmercouris> just trying to make Next accessible
<jmercouris> for the visually impaired
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<no-defun-allowed> espeak is quite common, though it sounds pretty robotic.
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<jmercouris> OK, thank you
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<pjb> Why does this jmercouris guy always log out before getting an answer?
<pjb> (swank:eval-in-emacs '(speak "Hello"))
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<phoe> minion: memo for jmercouris: 00:19 < pjb> Why does this jmercouris guy always log out before getting an answer?
<minion> Remembered. I'll tell jmercouris when he/she/it next speaks.
<phoe> perhaps he will answer
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