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<sh4rm4>
is milkymist using an AVR cpu for usb ?
<wpwrak>
hmm, would be nice if "web update" would say from which date things will be. in fact, the version number seems kinda useless since the versions aren't being bumped
<wpwrak>
sh4rm4: yes. it has "hardware" for the bit-level operations, but once there are bytes, the avr takes over
<kristianpaul>
sh4rm4: yes and not is called navre and is scratch implementationto be compatible with gnu-avr, so usb is implemented in a kind of "microcode"
<kristianpaul>
from scratch*
<kristianpaul>
hardware is the SIE no?
<sh4rm4>
so it is a custom softcpu ?
<kristianpaul>
dunno if there are custom instructions
<sh4rm4>
custom as in IP-free
<kristianpaul>
i hope ;)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: the mega-confusingly named softusb_sie ? yes, that's part of it
<kristianpaul>
hey we can actually said then milkymist soc is three core,lm32, fpu and navre
<wpwrak>
1, the only triple-core VJ workstation :)
<wpwrak>
s/1/M1/
<kristianpaul>
yay
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: oh, yes you pixel procesor sounds really nice
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<wpwrak>
up north ? :)
<sb0>
yes
<sb0>
on the airport bus
<wpwrak>
do they have snow yet ? ;-)
<sb0>
no, and it's actually a tad warmer than berlin
<wpwrak>
must be the sea
<kristianpaul>
20 C are always perfect :)
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<juliusb>
not sure if this has been asked before, but are you guys able to run the Arduino/Wiring stuff on navre?
<juliusb>
I'm not too up on the AVR ISA and what the Navre supports, but that would be interesting
<kristianpaul>
i think papillio boards are better example for such compatiblity/example
<juliusb>
what are those things? google just brings up links to birkenstocks :P
<juliusb>
i think i've heard of what you mean, but it's not papillio
<juliusb>
ok that looks cool, but I mean, could the Wiring stuff, as it is, run on say, the Navre in milkymist? Support for it it might make the M1 a good buy as an educational tool for beginners
<juliusb>
would basically give you the simple IDE to push the LEDs/IOs/analog around
<juliusb>
anyway, just a thought, but I reckon it's pretty good, and the way it has drawn in a lot of users under the guide of the Arduino is impressive
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<kristianpaul>
i think already with wiring or not milkymist have a LOT of stuff for been an educational tool
<juliusb>
yep, but with Wiring you can basically piggy-back onto the Arduino bandwagon in a way
<kristianpaul>
but may be you mean been able to run processing on the M1, that will be killer, but kinda hard to port currently (java, c++, etc..)
<juliusb>
i think the accessibility, and simplicity of the interface is a winner, and has to be shown to be so
<juliusb>
mmm yeah actually id on't fully understand the Wiring/processing thing
<juliusb>
afaict the Wiring stuff provides the IDE and the I/O drivers
<juliusb>
what does processing do then?
<kristianpaul>
sure, simplify FN is important i think in the ML wpwrak mentioned something about aliases or self adjust to make things easier,
<juliusb>
ah i see, processing is very java oriented
<juliusb>
mm, I guess I don't quite understand how it does what it does at the moment
<kristianpaul>
visuals
<kristianpaul>
effects, shapes,, drawing and lots of libraries to make rich the process
<kristianpaul>
not couting the examples and clean documentation in the web page
<juliusb>
mmm, fair enough
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<mwalle>
just for the logs: +1 for software controlled USB enable signals
<mwalle>
s/w controlled stuff makes test automation easier :)
<wpwrak>
mwalle: since sebastien isn't listening: my evil plan is to make it really easy to just drop in the connecting 0Rs. basically just one mouse click when preparing the fab files ;-)
<mwalle>
if its possible, just add the lines to an IO, and don't use it, so per default its always on
<mwalle>
hopefully, this makes seb happy :)
<wpwrak>
sebastien doesn't want it connected to the FPGA. he's concerned about glitches and such.
<mwalle>
use some pullup or pulldown?
<mwalle>
external ones :)
<wpwrak>
what i proposed is to run the traces to the FPGA by have an unpopulated 0402 footprint in series with them. then add pull-up/down on the switch side to enable.
<wpwrak>
well, 2 x 0402 footprint
* mwalle
votes for the same with popupated 0R resistors :)