lekernel changed the topic of #milkymist to: Milkymist One, Migen, Milkymist SoC & Flickernoise :: Logs: http://en.qi-hardware.com/mmlogs :: Something to do? https://github.com/milkymist/bugs/issues
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<wolfspraul> cladamw: good morning!
<cladamw> good morning !
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<lekernel> wolfspraul: simply because of various timing parameters that have to be read from a I2C eeprom and programmed into the memory controller
<lekernel> plus varying I/O properties too
<lekernel> and it'll never make the system compatible with all DDR 1/2/3 (differing voltages and connectors)
<lekernel> plus it adds mechanical and routing problme
<lekernel> well, it's all free problems - no benefit
<lekernel> but the main issue is the timing parameters from the EEPROM. it's an USB-style annoyance.
<lekernel> Fallenou: if you're talking about just the SRAM, then obviously WE is asserted for the duration of the transfer (2 cycles): https://github.com/milkymist/milkymist-ng/blob/master/milkymist/sram/__init__.py#L12
<lekernel> but it's OK here
<Fallenou> ok
<Fallenou> that was what I was talking about then
<Fallenou> so as I supposed, not an issue
<lekernel> it's not OK in the general case though
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<Fallenou> hum ok
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<wolfspraul> lekernel: thanks, excellent! that is very helpful and will help people understand the platform
<lekernel> Intel has an army of engineers to do this sort of things, and implement inane designs such as USB or the x86 instruction set. we don't, so the only way we can do things is keep them simple.
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<GitHub83> [scripts] xiangfu pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/yJd03Q
<GitHub83> [scripts/master] compile-milkymist-openwrt.sh update build wheel patch, comment the reset rtems repo - Xiangfu Liu
<wpwrak> afaik, reading and setting the memory parameters is just half of the problem. the other half if figuring out to do when the little ROM in the dram module lies to you ...
<cladamw> wpwrak, good morning !
<wpwrak> cladamw: good morning ! how is life treating you today ? :)
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* lekernel is back from berlin12.dpg-tagungen.de
<lekernel> roh: you should come :) they were setting up the industrial exhibition today, and it looks promising
<lekernel> of course, it might get you depressed about the state of hacker technology, but...
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<roh> lekernel: hey there
<roh> sorry.. didnt have time and a full schedule already this week
<lekernel> well it's still going on. today was only the first day.
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<wpwrak> wolfspraul: btw, didn't you and rejon have some M1 promo event a little while ago ? how did that go ?
<wpwrak> this one: Mar 23 21:26:43 <wolfspraul> going to a Milkymist promotion event today, let's see what comes out of that...
<wpwrak> (boah. that was only three days ago. i had it mentally filed as "more than a week, less than a month" :)
<wolfspraul> hmm, yes it went pretty well
<wpwrak> kewl. what kind of event was it ?
<wolfspraul> the m1 was used side by side with a Mac, that was really cool
<wolfspraul> mostly a party
<wpwrak> hehe :) did it make the mac look old ?
<wolfspraul> oh totally, the mac looked crazy boring
<wpwrak> party is good :)
<wpwrak> as it should :)
<wolfspraul> partially the vj was to blame, but still I just looked at what happened in reality at that party
<wolfspraul> the cam was working
<wolfspraul> jon had some images mixed in
<wolfspraul> we even had the little 703n wifi 'dongle' you don't like hooked up and were able to send osc messages to the big screen
<wpwrak> ah, vj jon vs., vj mac ? interesting :)
<wolfspraul> no need, m1 is already so interesting by itself just running
<wpwrak> bah
<wolfspraul> the small things that don't work or are not perfect make it only more interesting
* wpwrak needs to fight that USD 500 screensaver meme more
<wolfspraul> I loved that comment but I am also 100% behind it
<wolfspraul> past it
<wolfspraul> it's a joke, it tells you more about the thinking of the commenter than anything else
<wpwrak> any technology that works flawlessly is boring ;)
<wolfspraul> today I can tell anyone: if you think the m1 is a 500 usd screensaver, get away from your computer prison and out into nature a bit :-)
<wpwrak> naw, i think the USD 500 screensaver comment was right on the mark. what it really said is that we under-marketed the M1's capabilities as an instrument
<wolfspraul> so the m1 is coming together very nicely, and of course us knowing the pieces and what's planned, it will only be better
<wolfspraul> no
<wolfspraul> the comment is coming from someone who has spent a far too large amount of the last 20 years of his live in front of a screen :-)
<wolfspraul> life
<wolfspraul> go to a party, throw away that computer junk, and reboot your mind
<wolfspraul> then think whether you want the m1 or not
<wolfspraul> you are going to have that beer as well!
<wpwrak> oh, sure. but the essence was that. of course, it could have been put in a nicer way
<wolfspraul> yes, like I said I loved the comment
<wolfspraul> wakeup
<wolfspraul> at that party, the mac's performance was so boring and aseptic, it was really out of place
<wolfspraul> didn't fit location, people, style, food and drinks, etc.
<wpwrak> i almost feel sorry :)
<wolfspraul> m1 has many ways it can improve, but the party was very good to see it side by side with big brother
<wolfspraul> morning coffee now
<wolfspraul> kicad schematics, are we getting ready? :-)
<wolfspraul> I think so
<wpwrak> i guess on the mac they focus more on slower but more complex imagery
<wolfspraul> nah
<wolfspraul> it was also the vj who was just lazy
<wolfspraul> but if you have such a boring and predictable instrument like a mac, I can understand
<wolfspraul> it forces you into a 100% predictable behavior anyway, so why bother
<wolfspraul> right when he opens the lid of his notebook, he already lost :-)
<wpwrak> working on the tool to make components reviewable. i decided to no longer put up with kicad writing temp files all over the place and i'm putting it in a little chroot-like jail :)
<wolfspraul> click here, there, do exactly the same things everybody in the whole world does, and on tv and in movies and everywhere
<wolfspraul> you loose your interest to experiment
<wpwrak> i hope the mac world isn't THAT linear :)
<wolfspraul> you end up band-aiding the typical cool clips & tricks together, and done
<wolfspraul> I'm partially saying this as m1 salesman, but partially also as a hopefully objective aesthetic observer
<wpwrak> but i guess it takes no less effort than doing interesting things with the M1. the greatest software can't replace creativity and craftmanship.
<wolfspraul> the mac is a humiliating experience, it turns you into a lemming
<wpwrak> hmm. we need a lemming patch :)
<wolfspraul> yes but the m1 is so refreshing new, and then it just does 'something' interesting
<wolfspraul> then you can build on that
<wolfspraul> do you think anybody feels they can control a Mac giving a VJ performance?
<wolfspraul> nah
<wolfspraul> they know they just press the start button
<wpwrak> i suppose that's largely what they do, yes
<wolfspraul> so they focus their creative energy on things they feel they can really shape
<wolfspraul> REALLY shape