<kyak>
azonenberg: you might as well use memoserv (/quote memoserv help)
<kyak>
and wow, impressive work
<azonenberg>
didnt know there was one here
<azonenberg>
and thanks
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<kyak>
azonenberg: correct me if i'm wrong. Decapping of MCU allows not only to break protection, such as read-only switch, but also reproduce the MCU?
<azonenberg>
Depackaging just lets you look at it
<azonenberg>
What you do after that is up to you
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* sb0
recommends active noise cancelling headphones for better nerdage onboard aircraft
<azonenberg>
kyak: Given enough time, effort, and electron microscope time you could fully clone the chip (ignoring legal issues)
<azonenberg>
But my interest is not in cloning devices, I want to see how they work
<azonenberg>
As well as security analysis
<kyak>
kewl
<kyak>
have you tried to do that with very complicated devices, like modern processors?
<azonenberg>
My group is mostly interested in building a body of public knowledge on how IC reversing works
<azonenberg>
While the fab of small devices is a lot harder than large ones, once you have photos it's no harder to figure out how they work (ignoring scalability issues in the analysis tools for huge netlists, etc)
<azonenberg>
So we mostly stick to >=350nm devices which are possible to study by optical microscopy
<azonenberg>
since SEM is somewhat pricey to get time on and optical scopes are free (I have four in my lab i can use whenever i want)
<azonenberg>
That said, I do want to see a spartan6 naked at some point and the lower levels will need a SEM
<Fallenou>
yeah Bose are quite known for having good audio quality and good noice cancelation
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<bkero>
They're quite well known for that. Unfortunately they don't actually make very good products anymore, just coasting on reputation.
<bkero>
Very common for people who know nothing at all about audio to just say "bose makes good stuff, buy bose"
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<wpwrak>
noice-canceling headphones are nice. but your ears will still hurt after a while. better get a few drinks and just sleep through the ordeal.
<wpwrak>
azonenberg: you need to integrate this: eching and scanning in one easy device. put in the chip, press a button, out come transistor-level pictures :)
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<kyak>
i have a name for that - IC scanner :)
<larsc>
I guess I'm the only one who finds the airplane engine noise comforting
<kyak>
yeah.. at least it means that the engines are still running :)
<wpwrak>
larsc: there are some planes where it's not :) especially tail-engined ones with seats all the way into the hindmost corner. (and of course, no windows back there either)
<wpwrak>
larsc: but i think the real enemy here are human voices. especially those of young humans.
<larsc>
that's why I like the engine noise, it cancels out verything else
<wpwrak>
larsc: hmm, they have to rev very high to drown the shrieking of young humans.
<wpwrak>
larsc: i'm not sure i'd find it very comfortable to hear an engine go like that for very long. in fact, it probably won't :)
<wpwrak>
s/comfortable/comforting/
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<larsc>
azonenberg: over at #homecmos wolfgang is actually creating quite some noise