00:27 <playthatbeat> ok thanks Fallenou

00:27 <playthatbeat> i'll look at how i made the pdf from the .tex, maybe it;s me, but it looked borked..

00:42 <wpwrak> playthatbeat: last time i checked, it left many questions unanswered

13:29 <Fallenou> larsc: wpwrak do you know why it was shutdown? is there a replacement planned? are there backups?

13:36 <wpwrak> i think wolfgang simply realized it was useless and just costing money

14:08 <playthatbeat> wpwrak: all i'm really looking for is a list of the commands in Flickernoise.. i haven't been looking long, but it does seem there is no _actual_ list of the commands published currently

14:14 <wpwrak> i think pretty much everything in the manual still works. there aren't that many new variables.

14:20 <playthatbeat> kk, i'll stick with what i have from the handbook.tex then.. it's just a bit confusing as some sections have nothing in them, and there's alot of white space too..

14:21 <playthatbeat> like 3.6.2 - Reacting to Sound is blank etc.

14:25 <Fallenou> I learned FNP language by reading other patches

14:25 <Fallenou> it's a good start

14:25 <Fallenou> it makes you experiment with each variable to try to understand what it really does :)

14:32 <wpwrak> yes, that's indeed the best approach. take a patch you like, then start playing with the variables. see what happens.

14:32 <wpwrak> if you have MIDI, you can also change them while the patch is running. that helps a lot. some effects are quite non-linear.

14:39 <Fallenou> yes midi keyboard is really awesome for playing with the Milkymist One :)

14:39 <Fallenou> and some midi keyboard are really not expensive

16:48 <playthatbeat> yes, i was expecting to do that, it's a great way to learn analysing other people's patches

16:49 <playthatbeat> but sometimes you might have a need for a specific effect or process, and it would be nice to know how to make that happen without a long period of sandboxing

16:49 <playthatbeat> i'll take the time, play about, will get there..

16:52 <Fallenou> have fun :)

16:53 <wpwrak> it's pretty hard to predict what some changes do. a lot of the variables aren't just modules.

16:54 <wpwrak> e..g, if you run the "Tornade (Rain Dance)" (needs MIDI), you can get very different effects by just varying a small number variables.

17:19 <Fallenou> does someone have a link to an explanation of the "startup sequence" of a x86 dynamically linked executable ?

17:21 <Fallenou> I'm lost at the first instruction of _libc_start_main@plt which does jmp *some_addr, but so far (from _start:) I've never seen any write to this address

17:23 <Fallenou> oh ok nevermind, this address was in the GOT

19:08 <mwalle> Fallenou: i guess that is lazy binding, isnt it?

19:38 <Fallenou> yes it is

19:38 <Fallenou> in fact I found out that first instructions of a process is not located inside the binary file itself

19:39 <Fallenou> the dynamic loader is run first, loading shared libraries, and then calling _init (from the binary file itself)