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<houkime>
checking through PHS8 hardware interface specs (since it is obviously the biggest space consumer)
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<houkime>
(...though i personally would avoid using GLONASS at all costs)
<houkime>
*would like to avoid
<pkill9>
why do you want to avoid using GLONASS at all costs houkime?
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<houkime>
pkill9: because it belongs to russian military&government who as I personally know LOVE spying on people, esp. those from post-soviet countries.
<houkime>
unlike GPS they are not really boud by even their own laws
<houkime>
*bound
<pkill9>
how do you personally know?
<pkill9>
out of curiosity
<houkime>
because I have been arrested several times.
<pkill9>
interesting
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<houkime>
nothing really illegal, it is mostly political stuff.
<pkill9>
yeah
<pkill9>
i hear a lot of that happening
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<ShadowJK>
houkime, how would a glonass receiver spy on people?
<ShadowJK>
GPS, Glonass, Galileo and Beidou are all receive-only systems
<Xiaoman>
Probably seen too many Hollywood movies?
<craftyguy>
"are all receive-only systems" <-- which is exactly what the evil government wants you to think :P
* craftyguy
is kidding
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<houkime>
phs8 is closed source. Have no idea what's inside. Though maybe about glonass receiving process I'm a bit paranoid.
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<pkill9>
hmm yeah, come to think of it, how would a phone have the necessary transmitting power to send data to a satellite? unless they're specifically satellite phones
<houkime>
No way it sending data to space possible, sure. (though they would love to spy if they could).
<houkime>
However concern about phs8 still remains to some extent.
<houkime>
*omg. My english is drunk
<atk>
the problem with baseband modems is that they're all closed if you want to use them
<houkime>
That's why I pay much interest to open silicon stuff.
<atk>
if you don't want to use the baseband modem, you can get an open one :P
<houkime>
Is there one you know?)
<atk>
yes, there's an open baseband project, let me find it
<atk>
OsmocomBB
<atk>
I think it's meant to replace the firmware of an existing baseband.
<atk>
So silicon level exploits may still exist but silicon level exploits are in the realm of "how do you even solve that problem" and "who can afford that and how are you ever going to beat someone who can afford that"
<Juesto>
wow....
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<houkime>
cool. They seem to have gprs even. And repository is pretty alive.
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<houkime>
though maybe it is not exactly the thing for neo900 (cause you do need an ok internet), but very interesting.
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<pkill9>
which reposity is pretty alive?
<atk>
Well, it's not exactly appropriate because it's illegal to be used outside of a lab.
<pkill9>
repository*
<pkill9>
oh, osmocom
<houkime>
I heard about limitation for developer devices, but i didn't know it can be applied to software stack which is exactly what they are doing.
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<houkime>
what is with rf taps on LOWER? Should they be included (no footprint or model specified)?
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<houkime>
(and they are optional)
<DocScrutinizer51>
they are for certification and hackers
<houkime>
should they be on proto_v2, and what model then?
<DocScrutinizer51>
I'm not sure why no type and footprint
<DocScrutinizer51>
'the usual mini testjack" rated for some 20 mating cycles
<DocScrutinizer51>
we had footprints in proto_v1 already
<DocScrutinizer51>
do you have access to metacollin's stuff now?
<houkime>
yep
<DocScrutinizer51>
good
<houkime>
I
<houkime>
I'll just pull v1 branch then
<DocScrutinizer51>
it's eagle
<DocScrutinizer51>
see 'convert'
<houkime>
ok, thx
<DocScrutinizer51>
we migrated the whole stuff from Eagle to kicad+git
<DocScrutinizer51>
then ceene created all footprints, the metacollin said he likes IPC(?) footprints better and he loves creating new footprints for free
<DocScrutinizer51>
theN*
<DocScrutinizer51>
particularly the new footprints have rounded pads aiui, only available in kicad5
<houkime>
ok. and now wpwrak needs to adjust eeshow because kicad5 remaps everything and sch becomes incompatible.
<DocScrutinizer51>
eeshow should be kicad5 'compatible'
<houkime>
hmm
<DocScrutinizer51>
werner used nightlies all the time
<DocScrutinizer51>
kicad4 barfs up on 'pad_rounded' etc
<wpwrak>
haven't updated eeshow in a while. so it's quite possible that they broke something. recently, there are lots of incompatible changes in kicad. it's a major effort to even keep old designs working.
<DocScrutinizer51>
I'm not sure eeshow been tested with all new kicad5 options though
<wpwrak>
i'm not sure i want to try to keep up, or rahter just wait until they calm down again.
<DocScrutinizer51>
ack
<DocScrutinizer51>
it sucks to work on moving target like nightlies in a project