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<palomer> brb
<Smerdyakov> palomer, of course.
<mfp> palomer: only scanned the logs, but it seems to me you're getting a SIGPIPE when the child dies and you write to the pipe
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<palomer> back
<palomer> mfp, im getting a SIGPIPE?
<mfp> 1 sec, I'm reproducing this in the toplevel
<mfp> without the Sys.set_signal , the toplevel just exists silently
<palomer> whoa, you get an exception?
<palomer> oh, the exception is from the toplevel
<palomer> oh wait, you set_signaled it
<mfp> *exits
<palomer> wee
<mfp> palomer: man 2 write says that write returns EPIPE and generates SIGPIPE if the reading end is closed. By setting a handler, I've blocked the signal and the exception becomes visible.
<palomer> works
<palomer> thanks!
<mfp> np
<palomer> btw, would you happen to know how I could write a keypress to the process verbatim?
<palomer> sending the result of GdkEvent.Key.string is fruitless
<mfp> you have to mess with the tty
<palomer> ie, it sends alphanumeric
<mfp> ah you mean to the child?
<palomer> but not enter
<palomer> yeah
<mfp> what's the type of GdkEvent.Key.string?
<mfp> huh a string?
<palomer> a string
<palomer> yup
<mfp> I guess you have to convert it if you're getting some textual representation instead of raw bytes
<mfp> something involving Char.chr
<palomer> hrmph
<palomer> no utf8?
<palomer> GdkEvent.Key.string doesn't seem to return a textual representation
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<Linktim_> hi
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<dumbo> Hello! I need a purely functional dictionary datastructure.. any documentation pointers?
<Smerdyakov> I recommend skimming every page of the standard library manual, to build a mental map of what's available.
<Smerdyakov> I could just give you the answer to your particular question, but what I suggest is more valuable in the long run. ;)
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* dumbo googles for "standard library manual ocaml"
<Smerdyakov> Bad idea. People these days just don't seem to like to follow links from the front page of anything. :P
<Smerdyakov> It really astounds me how people think it's fine to go about using a programming tool without having any idea where its manual is. I'm not trying to get on your case; this just really confounds me.
<dumbo> I don't find the OCaml main site easy to read through
<vixey> hey there's a good book about data structures
<Smerdyakov> dumbo, you're saying you can't find the manual from the caml.inria.fr front page?
<vixey> I think It's called purely functional datastructures
<dumbo> What I know from OCaml is from the french to english transation of the oreilly book
<Smerdyakov> vixey, I believe that is irrelevant.
<vixey> It's a good book though
<vixey> At least I liked it
<Smerdyakov> vixey, yet still not related here, since I don't think dumbo wants to reinvent the wheel.
<Smerdyakov> dumbo, I still don't understand. Are you or are you not saying that the OCaml manual is hard to find from caml.inria.fr?
<dumbo> I had never seen that link until you pointed it out right now
<Smerdyakov> dumbo, rather peculiar, since it's the first Google hit for "OCaml."
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<dumbo> hence, why I have used google
<Smerdyakov> dumbo, how did you come to learn about OCaml in a way that left you not knowing about the project home page?
<dumbo> I am not saying that I do not know about the OCaml home page.. I am saying that I find it unpleasant to browse, as such I prefer using google to get to the page I need
<Smerdyakov> Why do you find it unpleasant to browse?
<Smerdyakov> So when you wrote "that link," you meant the link to the manual...
<Smerdyakov> Sorry, there are only 12 links total in the body of the front page. I'm not going to accept as reasonable an aversion to reading them all on first visit and storing them away for possible later use.
<dumbo> Yes, I meant the link to the manual... you had asked me if I had noticed it
<vixey> sounds like a bad way to do things dumbo
<Smerdyakov> If you did that, you would realize that the page is about more than one Caml dialect, while all you care about is OCaml, so then you just need to follow the link to the OCaml page and remember the links you find there.
<Smerdyakov> The OCaml page has only 5 main links.
<Smerdyakov> Whenever you learn a new programming language, you should make your first priority locating its official web site.
<Smerdyakov> You always need reference material, not just tutorial material, and only the official web site is likely to provide the former.
<dumbo> I'm just giving feedback on how well or not I can use the site to a means I need, that's all :-)
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<Smerdyakov> OK. I'm rejecting your argument as valid. :P
<dumbo> It's in no relation on the presence or absence of content, it's a matter of usability
<Smerdyakov> Regardless of if the Caml web site could be improved, it's easy enough to use now that it's rude to ask questions here instead of consulting it.
<raboof> do I understand correctly that using nickel and cafesterol, I can both call java jars from ocaml code, and present my ocaml library to java code packaged as a jar?
<Smerdyakov> If you think it is hard enough to use now to invalidate my claim, then you are probably not cut out to be using OCaml.
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<dumbo> If you don't like feedback, don't ask it. If you don't like my questions don't answer them. You're giving me a RTFM answer. I am sorry.. I thought what I was reading WAS the official manual. Now I know better.
<vixey> dumbo: Yeah you might be able to find it in a library
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<vixey> Smerdyakov: what do you use ocaml for?
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