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vixey >
let rec x = 1 :: y and y = 1 :: x in x
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vixey >
let rec x = 1 :: y and y = 1 :: x in x;;
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xavierbot >
- : int list =
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xavierbot >
[1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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vixey >
palomer: yes it is possible
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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xavierbot >
1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1; 1;
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palomer >
let rec id x = x and x = 1 :: id y and y = 1 :: id x in x;; <--why can't I write something like this?
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palomer >
"This kind of expression is not allowed as right-hand side of `let rec'"
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vixey >
palomer: I could guess for you
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palomer >
it seems you can't mix functions and values
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vixey >
why might that be
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vixey >
my guess is side effects, but I don't know
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palomer >
let rec id x = x and x = 1 :: id y and y = 1 :: id x in x;;
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xavierbot >
Characters 28-35:
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xavierbot >
let rec id x = x and x = 1 :: id y and y = 1 :: id x in x;;
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xavierbot >
^^^^^^^
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xavierbot >
This kind of expression is not allowed as right-hand side of `let rec'
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tsuyoshi >
that expression makes my head hurt
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palomer >
tsuyoshi, it's really easy
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palomer >
ok, slightly easier
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palomer >
let rec id x = x and x = 1 :: y and y = 1 :: id x in x;;
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xavierbot >
Characters 43-50:
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xavierbot >
let rec id x = x and x = 1 :: y and y = 1 :: id x in x;;
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xavierbot >
^^^^^^^
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xavierbot >
This kind of expression is not allowed as right-hand side of `let rec'
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palomer >
does lazy evaluation get around this?
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palomer >
I'm compiling into ocaml
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palomer >
laziness helps me get around this
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palomer >
I hate it when things just work
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palomer >
where's the pain and toil??!?
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palomer >
makes a man want to give up
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palomer >
I write some ugly code
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palomer >
and it just works
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hcarty >
bluestorm: ping
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bluestorm >
i have a vague (rememberance ?) of silly things i might have saids some days ago :-'
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hcarty >
And also "print_float |< float_of_int |< 1" --> (same as above)
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hcarty >
bluestorm: I'm not taking you up on your offer for help, don't worry about that :-)
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hcarty >
Not yet anyway
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bluestorm >
i'm not sure this is the right way to go
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bluestorm >
i'd have used a Filter
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bluestorm >
using a map over the already-parsed AST to spot the ((|>) a b) parts
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hcarty >
I'm still far from understanding the details of camlp4, and I doubt I will have time in the near term to become familiar with it
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bluestorm >
i think this technique is less inclusive (no risk of keywords cluttering) and more easily translatable into a pa_do plugin eventually
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hcarty >
The pa-do folks have also extended pa_infix to support transformations like this
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hcarty >
I'm looking through that now
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hcarty >
The above pastebined code was written yesterday evening, before they emailed me about the pa_infix update
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bluestorm >
did they had to update something ?
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bluestorm >
i thought i had seen a function powerful enough for that
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hcarty >
Yes, they said that it was outside of their original plan but that it only required a small update
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hcarty >
They added the update and a |> example
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bluestorm >
(do you know if there is a pertinent mailing-list ?)
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hcarty >
I don't think so. Just the bzr logs
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bluestorm >
the ideal API should allow you to plug a (function <:expr< (|>) $a$ $b$ >> -> <:expr< $b$ $a$ >> | other -> other) somewhere and that's it
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bluestorm >
that's weird
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bluestorm >
hcarty: i guess the added thing is the ~expr label ?
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hcarty >
bluestorm: Yes
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rwmjones >
bluestorm, have you built recursive functions in camlp4, like 'let a () = ... and b () = ...' ?
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bluestorm >
i think i have
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bluestorm >
syntaxically it's
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bluestorm >
let (rec) [a = ... and b = ... and ..]
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bluestorm >
the bracketed part being a binding
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rwmjones >
ah right, bindings
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rwmjones >
I see them now
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rwmjones >
thanks :-)
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bluestorm >
haha hcarty
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bluestorm >
they actually removed the function i was thinking of
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("wth, i'm pretty sure there was something there !")
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hcarty >
bluestorm: Does the ~expr functionality provide something similar?
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bluestorm >
i have the impression that pa_infix is the wrong place for such functionalities
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bluestorm >
pa_infix is for syntaxic refinement of the operators while we're interested in a much more general "inlining facility" (wich could be specialized to infix notations if this is a common case, but still)
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bluestorm >
in particular
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bluestorm >
if i want to transform the (*) application in a particular case (say matrix multiplication), won't the "forbidden operators modifaction" feature of pa_infix get in my way ?
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bluestorm >
(argh, i should probably write ( * ) )
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hcarty >
bluestorm: I think the authors would suggest using the delimited overloading portion
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bluestorm >
that's the diff that removed my beloved api function
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bluestorm >
and actually, added at the same time easier to use functions providing the same features
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bluestorm >
hcarty: i guess the authors make better decisions than me about were they want to place the features
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bluestorm >
but i would still suggest to build something upon this "constants" function, instead of the strange ?expr label in pa_infix
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bluestorm >
we could even write some proof-of-concept code right now
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bluestorm >
hcarty: an other advantage is that it would provide the base for other class of "commonly used transformations" than infixes
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hcarty >
bluestorm: Sounds good. This is getting to be somewhat beyond my camlp4 understanding, but I'm happy to learn more
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bluestorm >
(eg. bind/return in a monad)
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bluestorm >
haven't you used Ast.map yet ?
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bluestorm >
you should absolutely try that, it's real fun
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bluestorm >
(and Ast.fold of course)
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hcarty >
No - my camlp4 experience so far only extends to modifying others' code
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bluestorm >
well i could probably find you some Ast.map-using code of mine
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bluestorm >
hm, failure
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bluestorm >
hcarty: have you managed to compile and run the example they sent you ?
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hcarty >
bluestorm: Yes, and it works as expected
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hcarty >
It's in the examples/ directory, pa_compos.ml
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bluestorm >
ah, interesting
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hcarty >
Adding a (|<) worked similarly
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has used Ast.map ...
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rwmjones >
in ocaml-gettext
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bluestorm >
apparently, not having slept for 32 hours does not help with camlp4 transformations
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hcarty >
bluestorm: I imagine that could affect mental function
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Camarade_Tux >
he's training for the icfp contest ;)
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Smerdyakov >
How do the ICFP contests manage to be so off-topic these last years, I ask ya?
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bluestorm >
it somewhat works : you have to put the code inside Foo.(...), and it doesn't handle nested transformations, ie. a |> b is right but a |> b |> c fails
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bluestorm >
moreover, i've discovered a code line that i strongly suspect to contain a mistake, but i don't understand the intended effect of the things manipulated in that place, and my argument is mostly based on aesthetical considerations
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bluestorm >
(it's the ops_transf case of the Delimited_overloading.concat function)
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bluestorm >
this function has no effect on the code i use anyway, but it is a bit confusing
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bluestorm >
(around some non-trivial functional stuff and lack of sleep)
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