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<locaml> is there a way to concatenate Lexing.lexbufs? I have x = Lexing.from_channel chan, and I want to append a few characters to the end of whatever is read from the chan. any ideas?
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<Drakken> locaml how about this: http://pastebin.com/LwmEw9Uv
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<locaml> Drakken: cool. thank you :)
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<Drakken> locaml here it is with some better wrapping: http://pastebin.com/rcagpnSK
<Drakken> And you're welcome. Thanks for the excercise :)
<locaml> :)
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<locaml> it seems like this should be a function included with the Lexing module
<locaml> or a something similar anyway
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<Drakken> I don't know how often it would be used. Maybe a lot, but I haven't done enough lexing to know yet.
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<adrien> morning
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<pippijn> wmeyer`: I'm working on a new PEG now
<pippijn> starting from scratch
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<mrm> Hello. Does anyone here use the official cygwin-based windows installer? I struggle hard to build pcre-ocaml
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<fx_> pippijn, no surprise here, Lexing allocates like crazy
<fx_> compared with c++
<fx_> for fast lexing look at ragel
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<pippijn> fx_: Ulexing is better (3 times faster)
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<pippijn> wmeyer: that's just the C++ grammar from the standard
<pippijn> wmeyer: it uses left recursion in some places
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<wieczyk> Hi
<wieczyk> Can I enable vim support for Ocaml compilation errors?
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<fx_> wieczyk, ocaml.info vim plugin has that
<wmeyer> hi fx_ :-)
<fx_> wmeyer, hi!
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<wmeyer> :)
<wmeyer> pippijn: nice! I need to sit down to this today evening after the makespace brining chair meeting. You can point out the things to fix or missing bits.
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<wieczyk> fx_: Can I enable only error handling? I like default vim highlighting for ocaml.
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<fx_> you can rip it out I suppose - it is just a copule of regexpes
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<wieczyk> This plugin changes font and colorscheme
<wieczyk> bleh
<wieczyk> ah no, I looked at color scheme, eh i am tired
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<Kakadu> Who is good at revised syntax? http://paste.in.ua/4823/
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<thelema> got me; original only for me.
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* Kakadu really doesn't understand `got me` in this context
<jonafan> I wonder what percentage of ocaml enthusiasts use revised syntax
<thelema> Kakadu: a shortened form of "you've got me stumped", indicating that I don't have any idea of the answer.
<Kakadu> thelema: this english verb is really used everywhere in any context and means something everytime
<Kakadu> Every time need to guess what people want to say
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<thelema> Kakadu: "got"?
<Kakadu> thelema: get :)
<thelema> ok, there's a lot of english idioms that involve get
<casion> I've recently started looking at ocaml to use in a hobby project, but it is a gui based application. Is gui programming particularly troublesome in ocaml? any tips?
<Kakadu> casion: If you love GTK OCaml is pretty nice
<thelema> OCaml + qt is difficult
<thelema> labltk is... well, tk...
<casion> is there a mature binding for wx in ocaml?
<thelema> casion: afaik no
<casion> I see a few, but I'm not sure what's actually useful
<thelema> yes, I doubt any of them are used
<adrien> wx is pretty complex
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<adrien> and C++
<casion> I assume it's relatively easy to build lablgtk stuff on most platforms that support gtk?
<adrien> so hard to bind
<Kakadu> casion: Ask adrien, he's adept of GTK
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<adrien> "adept" might not be the right word :P
<adrien> casion: lablgtk should work everywhere gtk+ works
<Drakken> Kakadu "val" should be "value".
<casion> adrien: ok, thank you
<Drakken> Kakadu also, "type t 'a" should be followed by "= 'b".
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<Drakken> Kakadu here's the whole thing: http://paste.in.ua/4824/
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<casion> is there any particular environment or editor that's well suited to woking with (specifically learning) ocaml?
<Kakadu> casion: typerex maybe
<Drakken> casion fwiw there's an Emacs mode in the OCaml distribution.
<Kakadu> Drakken: thanks
<casion> Drakken: oh, I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere yet… nor have I looked for it
<casion> but that's perfect
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<Kakadu> Drakken: is there any nicety about labeled arguments in revised? http://paste.in.ua/4823/
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<Drakken> Kakadu you have to include the ~ or ? before the label.
<Drakken> I guess that's not in the manual.
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<Kakadu> Drakken: Yeah, right
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<swarley> So I'm going to take a shot at learning ocaml. I've tried haskell in the past with little luck, but I feel like this might be a little better. Does anyone have recommendations on where I should start my reading?
<swarley> I have experience in procedural, and objective languages
<Kakadu> I have started by reading OCaml tutorial
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<swarley> Link?
<swarley> If you could, please
<Drakken> swarley there's a tutorial at the beginning of the official manual: http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml-4.00/index.html
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<swarley> Oh, thank you
<swarley> Also, what are some strong points of ocaml?
<swarley> I've seen strong integration with Lex/YACC
<Kakadu> swarley: comparately to what?
<Drakken> swarley OCaml uses type inference to combine the safety of strong and static typing with the concision of dynamically typed languages.
<swarley> Well, I've used ruby, c languages, haskell, and java
<Drakken> It also gets more concision with sum types, first-class functions and HOFs, and currying.
<Kakadu> like Haskell
<swarley> What are the last three?
<swarley> My haskell is knowledge is rough, functional programming concepts are hazy coming from other programming styles
<Drakken> Sum types are like type expr = Int of int | Float of float | String of string.
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<swarley> Ah
<Drakken> so you can mix different types together in a list, like you can do in dynamically typed languages.
<nicoo> Drakken: You are making my heart cry.
<swarley> Like [1; "Hello"; 1.0]?
<Drakken> nicoo what?
<nicoo> Drakken: Look at what you made swarley think
<Drakken> swarley you would write [Int 1; String "Hello"; Float 1.0]
<Drakken> All those values have type expr.
<swarley> Oh
<Drakken> You can't really combine different types together.
<adrien> swarley: the values will be "wrapped" before being put in the list
<swarley> That sounds sort of like cheating
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<nicoo> swarley: It is; but in practice, there are very few times where you would want to put unstructured data with varying types in a list
<adrien> well, for the list, a bit and that's not terribly useful imho (but it's an example); however the general approach has many applications
<nicoo> Also, there are other ways to do it
<swarley> I'm really interested in trying to make a webserver
<swarley> I have an app in ruby that I'd like to speed up with parallel programming
<swarley> Well, recode
<swarley> And I saw in a except from a tutorial that ocaml has web support in the stdlib or something
<swarley> Well, socket io in the least
<nicoo> You probably don't want to rewrite a whole webserver in OCaml
<nicoo> But there are libs around to do web-related stuff
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<swarley> Well, not the whole server
<swarley> But I would like to have a few routes
<swarley> And I want to implement an event stream
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<swarley> I could probably keep all of the routes in a guard
<swarley> Like haskell has
<nicoo> swarley: You can
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<nicoo> Doing so manually is trivial, actually
<swarley> Really?
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<nicoo> But you might want to have some threading too
<swarley> Yes of course
<swarley> Forked io would be nice
<nicoo> swarley: Well, OCaml has native support for streams, and describing events as ADTs is easy
<swarley> Hm
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<swarley> I also need to implement user sessions
<swarley> Is there a framework to do it?
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<nicoo> swarley: I think so (read some stuff on the mailing-list), but I don't remember the name
<nicoo> Web-stuff is usually well outside my sphere of interest
<swarley> Okay, thank you
<nicoo> swarley: I just remembered Opa
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<nicoo> Not exactly OCaml, but it is built on top of it
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