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<fasta>
Is there programming environment for OCaml which actually works and in which I am not going to find bugs after 5 minutes of using it?
<wwilly>
emacs
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<fasta>
wwilly: with what mode? Tuareg-mode has almost no features.
<fasta>
At some point people were working on typerex, but then it was abandoned again.
<fasta>
All in all it seems to have been a colossal waste of time in developing something which ultimately has no many bugs that it is better to not use it at all.
<rgrinberg>
how is typerex abandoned, github repo seems active
<rgrinberg>
the website does seem abandoned though
<fasta>
rgrinberg: do you know anyone using typerex?
<rgrinberg>
no i use vim
<rgrinberg>
which along with merlin gives me all i need
<fasta>
I also don't get why OCaml developers stress separate compilation but then create non-parallel build systems.
<flux>
..ocamlbuild and OCamlMakefile work with -j, no?
<rgrinberg>
also, separate compilation is useful for dynlink?
<fasta>
flux: why would it not work by default?
<fasta>
flux: oh, right, I know!
<fasta>
flux: it's because people have written legacy software.
<flux>
actually I suppose the support isn't optimal, I imagine it can mess up the order of error messages
<flux>
someone(TM) should fix that (for make as well)
<fasta>
flux: which can be corrected with one MVar.
<fasta>
flux: or you know, with a library which already does that.
<flux>
right, just add one line of code and it magically works
<fasta>
But since 1970s concepts still don't exist in OCaml 40+ years later, I suppose that's too much too ask.
<flux>
no need to collect to outputs of build output and then output those
<fasta>
LWT has something called an mvar.
<flux>
pray tell me how it solves the problem? where would the mvar go?
<fasta>
flux: why do you think that me saying that will help the world?
<fasta>
flux: it won't, because the person implementing this in the end should be able to think of this stuff independently.
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<Kakadu>
guys, what is right way to check that 'select * from table' have returned >0 rows in SQlite3?
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<flux>
how about: [data_count stmt] @return the number of columns in the result of the last step of statement [stmt].
<flux>
actually that documentation is probably copy-paste-mistaken
<flux>
(below is the column_count function)
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<Kakadu>
I already thought that columns are .... em, 'columns' and they are vertical but select returns rows, which are horizontal entries in table
<Kakadu>
but I have decided problem somehow
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* Kakadu
is googling about hierarchicall DBs with OCaml
<darkf>
Kakadu: columns are horizontal, rows are vertical
<bernardo1pc>
oh dear
<Kakadu>
oh, really?
<darkf>
yes
<orbitz>
i don't think orientation matters that much, the only reason column vs row db matters is for leaky implementations
<bernardo1pc>
well, the guy that sees columns in horizontal deserves to learn english
<bernardo1pc>
(or math, or both)
<Drup>
darkf: that's a really strange way to see columns ...
<orbitz>
does math have an orietntion on columns? seems pretty unmathy
<darkf>
Drup: what is?
<bernardo1pc>
orbitz: matrices
<dsheets>
transpose schmanpose
<orbitz>
darkf: what do you mean when you say columns are horizontal?
<Drup>
darkf: to see a column as an horizontal thing.
<bernardo1pc>
and yes, math has a *lot* of orientation issues
* darkf
bails on the pedants
<orbitz>
aren't you the one who went pendantic on column vs rows?
<dsheets>
let's talk about left and right
<bernardo1pc>
no politics, please ;-)
<orbitz>
let's use hands and feet
<darkf>
let's all talk about stupid things - but too late on that
<orbitz>
hands are horizontal, feet are vertical
<darkf>
please go make a DB that displays columns vertically so I can see people get murdered
<dsheets>
but after i join the circus, i undergo a transform that makes hands = vertical = left and feet = horizontal = right
<orbitz>
dsheets: impressive!
<bernardo1pc>
darkf: what do columns and rows mean in DBs, then ?
<bernardo1pc>
and why name them that way
<Kakadu>
In most SQL tutorials rows(i.e. records) are horizontal
<bernardo1pc>
and then we might understand why it's that way
<darkf>
hold on.
<dsheets>
ahhhhh
<dsheets>
columns GROW horizontally
<orbitz>
oh man, definite dirty joke in that ,dsheets
<darkf>
and how columns are layed out horizontally
<darkf>
and rows are layed out vertically
<darkf>
anyone who is not mentally challenged should notice that
<orbitz>
i think most people would argue the column is laid aout vertically there
<orbitz>
the column, named id, is read top to bottom
<darkf>
then they are mentally challenged, i'm sorry
<orbitz>
i.e., vertical
<Kakadu>
english/russian dictionary says that columns are vertical
<darkf>
well i don't have mysql on me
<darkf>
actually there's another db that does it
<darkf>
either way I hate you
<dsheets>
Kakadu, vertical objects or vertically appended?
<Kakadu>
1st
<orbitz>
i don't think you need to resort to calling people mentally challenged darkf. If you agree that one of the columns is named 'ID', then it seems that the ID column is vertical, since you would read it vertically
<dsheets>
ok, but vertical objects must be appended to horizontally and vice versa
<darkf>
fine, but anyone sane will write out columns horizontally and rows vertically.
<orbitz>
sure, if that's what you mean
<orbitz>
in the DB paper si'ev read, they usually use those orientation words in the way I have.
<dsheets>
a *list* of columns is horizontal because each column itself is vertical
<dsheets>
a *list* of rows is vertical because each row is horizontal
<orbitz>
indeed
<dsheets>
you're all correct
<orbitz>
wheee!
<orbitz>
unelss we're talking about a column db
<orbitz>
in which case we're all liars
<dsheets>
erm... transpose?
<Drup>
can we have db with more than 2 axis ? :]
<dsheets>
Drup, yes, add time?
<orbitz>
yes, Datomic
<orbitz>
or even CouchDb
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<darkf>
have lists
<orbitz>
although I don't know if you can query on CouchDB on the time axis
<darkf>
draw data as a cube
<Zeev>
hello I try to install ocaml 4.01 on windows, and I get cannot install activetcl. I downloaded manually activetcl (which is a higher version now that ocaml 4.01 is supposed to install) which directory should I install it to? c:\ocaml\activetcl? is there anything else I should do for ocaml to recognise activetcl installation?
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<bernardo1pc>
darkf> and how columns are layed out horizontally -> that does not mean to me what it means to you... sad
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<darkf>
when i am writing columns i write them from left to right
<bernardo1pc>
yes
<bernardo1pc>
but that's never what I understand from "writing columns"
<darkf>
I am not sure what to call it then
<bernardo1pc>
for me the important part is not writing its name
<bernardo1pc>
but putting the values that this column has in each entry
<bernardo1pc>
and that's done vertically
<darkf>
and in matrices columns are horizontal too
<bernardo1pc>
like in "write column 4 of the matrix blah":
<Kakadu>
Zeev: Why installed didn't ask u about TCL?
<Kakadu>
(afair it installs it automatically)
<bernardo1pc>
darkf: we have an english problem, not math or OCaml, so it's best to stop
<Zeev>
kakadu: it couldn't download the zip
<Kakadu>
link is broken?
<darkf>
bernardo1pc: yeah i have nothing further to say i am sorry for being offensive i am tired
<dsheets>
you guys are agreeing violently, afaict
<Zeev>
kakadu: I dunno, I went to activetcl site and they have a newer version of activetcl now, than installer required
<Drup>
darkf, bernardo1pc I think it's time to end this troll, even if it's highly entertaining :)
<Zeev>
maybe they deleted the previous version from their ftp
<Kakadu>
Any ideas who maintain OCaml installer for windows? Jonathan Protzenko?
<Zeev>
kakadu: ok I installed to c:\ocaml\tcl and now OcamlBrowser seems to work
<Zeev>
.
<Kakadu>
Zeev: If you write to mail-list probably maintainers of OCaml-for-windows will appear
<Kakadu>
if it works than your problem seems to be solved
<vext01>
so i guess i have to sacrofice organisation for compilation
<Drup>
vext01: when you have two functions that need each other so much you can't split them to extract the common part, It make sens to have them together, I think.
<vext01>
fair
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<vext01>
Drup: how about function ordering?
<vext01>
is there a way to "prototype"
<vext01>
or you just have to put them in the right order?
<adrien_>
vext01: you can have recursive modules too *but* they must be in the same file
<Drup>
oh, yeah, s/module/files/
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<adrien_>
but typically you don't depend on the whole module and you can split the files to fit the deps
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