<lucasem>
There's a syntax error on the like that starts with "type"
<lucasem>
line*
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<copy`>
lucasem: Try `type t = int*float [@@deriving sexp]`
<copy`>
The `with …` syntax is outdated
<lucasem>
copy`: that worked, thanks!
<lucasem>
out of curiosity.. how outdated is it?
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<copy`>
Just recently, I think you can still enable it even in newer versions
<copy`>
It has been replaced by ppx (which is the syntax with the @), so whenever you're looking for packages for custom syntax, look for ones with ppx in the name
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<lucasem>
good to know!
<lucasem>
also, unrelated:
<lucasem>
is there a better ocaml interpreter/REPL?
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<copy`>
Yes, utop
<lucasem>
the_real_MVP = copy` (* thanks! *)
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<adrien>
if anyone has some powers on the github organization, please keep a look on #924 to make sure it keeps civil and that the conversation does not permanently changes topic
<adrien>
thanks
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<Leonidas>
Khady: I didn't know you were in singapore as well :)
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<Leonidas>
I'll probably be in SG beginning/mid-December
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<Khady>
Leonidas: I moved recently. Beginning of september
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<Leonidas>
was also considering it ^^
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<orbifx-m>
What is the resolution of Lwt_unix.timeout?
<orbifx-m>
It takes a float, but what is it's practical resolution?
<Enjolras>
on unix it uses gettimeofday
<haesbaert>
probably time + microseconds
<haesbaert>
*seconds + microseconds
<orbifx-m>
Thanks
<Enjolras>
yep.
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<Enjolras>
you would have to use clock_gettime to get nanoseconds
<Enjolras>
but i'm not sure if/where there is binding available
<orbifx-m>
Milliseconds is what I need, so it whould work
<orbifx-m>
If you are write about it being down to microseconds
<Enjolras>
though actually epoll does not support nanoseconds timeout
<Enjolras>
i'm not sure what is the min timeout of select/poll/epoll so it probably depends on you lwt engine selection
<Enjolras>
and on kernel internals
<Enjolras>
i'm sorry forget about gettimeofday and cloc_gettime i misread :)
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<orbifx-m>
So what is the resolution? Microseconds atleast?
<haesbaert>
select/poll gets a timeval which is the same as gettimeofday which is what is returned in the float
<Enjolras>
apparently epoll is 1ms res
<adrien>
?
<haesbaert>
you do realize that the resolution of the syscall may have nothing to do with the actual resolution
<adrien>
ah, in its timeout
<Enjolras>
there is timerfd for igher resolution but i'm not sure lwt can use that
<flux>
hmm, if you can use timerfd from ocaml I would think you can use it from lwt as well, though it won't integrate with its timeout system
<Enjolras>
haesbaert: i know. But 1ms is what googl says
<Enjolras>
kernel is able to support microkernel timeouts, so timeout is mostly an api limitation
<haesbaert>
The timeout argument specifies the number of milliseconds that epoll_wait() will block. The call will block until either:
<flux>
well it's able to accept microsecond timeouts, but if it actually supports them is another matter :)
<haesbaert>
you mean microseconds ?
<Enjolras>
duh. yes
<haesbaert>
not really, openbsd/netbsd wont for instance
<haesbaert>
they tick ever 10ms
<Enjolras>
well it depends on the kernel options
<Enjolras>
i know but linux can.
<Enjolras>
(when build with proper options)
<haesbaert>
im not sure how timeouts are handled in linux, if you TSC timeouts than you get below ms resolution
<haesbaert>
but if you need that high resolution in userland, I'd say you're already doomed
<haesbaert>
arghh, by below, I meant, better than
<Enjolras>
if you build the kernel with timer tick at 100Hz you are almost doomed. But with nohz and various realtime options you can
<Enjolras>
iirc on freebsd you can too
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<flux>
linux can nowadays do variable-length kernel tick
<haesbaert>
I thought linux was tickless nowadays
<flux>
right, that's what I meant :)
<flux>
good for power saving, perhaps good for more precise timing as well?
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<Enjolras>
you can still build it with tick :)
<haesbaert>
saves some cpu as well
<flux>
I'm not sure if tickless is even the "default" or suggested
<Enjolras>
you can build it with 10ms timer tick, 1ms tmer tick, and tickless
<Enjolras>
i've no idea. I guess it depends on distributions
<haesbaert>
an idle vm tickling at 100hz on my mac gets around 10% cpu time
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<flux>
well that has gotta be due to sume vm-succiness, it doesn't take 10% from a real machine :)
<haesbaert>
I've implemented tickeless timeout on openbsd sometime ago, but needed more work
<haesbaert>
flux: well, HZ=1000 affected my crypto performance
<haesbaert>
lost about 8% on a 3.4 machine
<adrien>
the kernel can wake you up fairly often
<Enjolras>
I'm not certain it is because of the interuptions only or if it is because it changes scheduler behavior
<adrien>
whether it does or not is also a scheduling policy...
<Enjolras>
timer interrupt are quite low cost. Context switch is not
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<Enjolras>
i think you should not loose more than 100us/s by switching from 100hz to 1000hz
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<Enjolras>
it does not trash cache, it does not trash tlb, it only has to save general registers and enter ring0
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<haesbaert>
this was a kernel thread, with the cpu removed from the scheduler
<haesbaert>
no it was basically "just" the interrupts
<Enjolras>
this surprise me
<haesbaert>
and I never slept or yielded, I had a mwait idle loop
<Enjolras>
especially since it is a kernel thread and it does not even have to switch rings. It's basically a function call
<haesbaert>
sure but the hardclock tick does a bunch of crap
<Enjolras>
not sure how interrupts are handled on opensbd
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<Enjolras>
(on same stack or in another kernel thread)
<haesbaert>
same stack
<haesbaert>
you can't tick the hardclock in thread context, cause then you don't know who you interrupted, and can't do proper accounting and so on
<haesbaert>
I was surprised too, I expected no difference at all
<Enjolras>
i'm actually biased i think by the design of dragonflybsd
<haesbaert>
dragonfly still ticks hardclock as a normal interrupt
<haesbaert>
and they use 10khz IRC
<haesbaert>
I mean the lapic kicks at 10khz, but hardclock at 100
<Enjolras>
where interruption is really low cost because it is basically a function call queuing a message to a message queue (potentially sending an ipmi)
<Enjolras>
yes, that's right. At least it was a year ago
<haesbaert>
I think you're mistaken, an interrupt in dragonfly forces preemption
<haesbaert>
so you have a full context switch for say, a network interrupt
<Enjolras>
yes and no.
<haesbaert>
and the way it does is by seting a bit on the current cpu, and when the interrupted code resumes, it switches
<Enjolras>
It depends on the priority of the thread receiving the interrupt
<Enjolras>
if it is higher prio, it forces a context switch
<haesbaert>
well dragonfly only has 2 priorities, interrupt or not, for preemption decision
<haesbaert>
so ithreads dont preempt ithreads
<Enjolras>
hmm no. It has 12 priorities iirc
<haesbaert>
but ithreads preempt everything else
<haesbaert>
it might have changed, I'm positive it was 2 on 2013
<haesbaert>
I think you might be thinking about the userland scheduler, there you have a bunch of priorities
<Enjolras>
hmm i think you are actually right.
<Enjolras>
no i'm thinking of the kernel scheduler which have 12 priorities (the userland has more)
<Enjolras>
but i think you are right that an interrupts triggers a context switch to an ithread which sends a message to the related kernel thread
<haesbaert>
I only know this cause I implemented similar stuff at work and studied dragonfly at thetime
<Enjolras>
the message is not sent from the current context
<Enjolras>
my knowledge is a bit rusty
<haesbaert>
it's not really a message, it's just a bit on "current thread"
<haesbaert>
since the ithread is pinned to the cpu it got the interrupt
<Enjolras>
most of the interrupts triggers an lwkt messages and are not handled directly
<haesbaert>
no, they're not handled directed, but they do not trigger a message
<haesbaert>
they don't have to go through the ipiq stuff for that
<Enjolras>
yes. And then the ithread process the interrupt and dispatch to another threa
<Enjolras>
and goes back to the prempted thread unless the destination of the message has higher priority
<Enjolras>
for instance this is what network interrupt do
<haesbaert>
the deferring after the ithread is up to the driver
<Enjolras>
right. But this is a goal to implement it like this
<Enjolras>
the disk layer does that and the network stack too
<haesbaert>
I thought they were doing full dispatch from the network ithread
<Enjolras>
for drivers inherited from freebsd it depends
<Enjolras>
dispatch to the related network thread
<haesbaert>
you're right, it does ether_dispatch
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<Enjolras>
and what happens next depends on the priority of the interrupted thread
<Enjolras>
if it has lower priority than the destionation of the interrupt (like the network thread) it does a context switch to the network thread
<Enjolras>
else it switches back to the interrupted thread
<haesbaert>
agreed
<ocaml534>
Have a question about acc in fold.
<Enjolras>
but you're right it still does at least a context switch. Mis remembered that :)
<Enjolras>
well two if you count swicth and back
<Enjolras>
ocaml534: go ahead
<haesbaert>
they need too, otherwise they can't block on interrupts
<haesbaert>
*to
<Enjolras>
you cannot block on interrupts anyway.
<Enjolras>
it's handled inside a critical_section iirc
<Enjolras>
you cannot block an ithread
<haesbaert>
of course you can, you can take a token on it
<Enjolras>
you can busy wait with spinlock that's all
<Enjolras>
no. I think it would be a bug
<Enjolras>
or considered as a bug
<ocaml534>
| x::xs -> List.fold_left ( fun acc nxt ->"Store nxt in acc")(Some x)
<Enjolras>
it would add high interrupt latency if you do that
<ocaml534>
Does this mean I start with x in acc ? How do i store nxt in acc for the next comparison ?
<Enjolras>
because the next interruptions on the same cpy would stall until the token is released
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<haesbaert>
Enjolras: that's the whole point of having interrupt threads
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<Enjolras>
ocaml534: you start with Some x in acc yes.
<ocaml534>
It is for comparing the current and next value when folding.
<Enjolras>
the next value of acc is the one returned by the function
<ocaml534>
Right. So I want to put a value into acc. acc = Some v
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<ocaml534>
acc = Some v isn't accepted. or ==
<ocaml534>
acc = Some nxt
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<haesbaert>
ocaml534: can you paste the code somewhere ?
<ocaml534>
x::xs -> List.fold_left ( fun acc nxt ->"Store Some nxt in acc")(Some x)
<haesbaert>
you're missing the list argument there
<haesbaert>
the last arg
<Enjolras>
ocaml534: no, you do not want to assign to acc. Everything is immutable
<Enjolras>
you want to return the value of the next acc
<haesbaert>
(I thought it was just a draft)
<haesbaert>
val fold_left : ('a -> 'b -> 'a) -> 'a -> 'b list -> 'a
<Enjolras>
example : List.fold_left (fun acc element -> acc + element) 0 [1; 2; 3]
<Enjolras>
it will first do 0 + 1
<Enjolras>
then it will call the function again with the previoysly returned value
<Enjolras>
so it will do 1 + 2
<haesbaert>
ocaml534: you no "'b list", you see ?
<Enjolras>
then 3 + 3
<Enjolras>
and return 6
<Enjolras>
it is like calling ((0 + 1) + 2) + 3
<Enjolras>
List.fold_left f acc [a; b; c] is exactly f ( f (f acc a) b) c
<ocaml534>
Understand fold. But while folding I compare current with previous.
<Enjolras>
what do you mean previous ?
<haesbaert>
are you hiding code or you're not passing the list argument ?
<ocaml534>
x::xs -> List.fold_left ( fun acc nxt ->"Store nxt in acc")(Some x) l
<haesbaert>
so your function returns "string"
<haesbaert>
but your acc is Some x
<haesbaert>
those are different types
<Enjolras>
do you mean something like List.fold_left (fun (prev, acc) cur -> (cur, if prev = cur then acc else cur :: acc)) x (x :: xs) ?
<haesbaert>
if x is string
<Enjolras>
which would keep track of the previous element ?
<haesbaert>
then you need to return Some x in the function as well
<ocaml534>
cur :: acc This may be it. It assigns cur to acc ?
<Enjolras>
(this code is what you would call dedup, it will transform [1;1; 3; 5; 5; 2 ] into [1; 3; 5; 2])
<Enjolras>
if you want to assign to acc you down't wan a fold
<Enjolras>
but you can keep a ref outside and assign to it
<Enjolras>
like let prev = ref x in List.fold_left (fun acc cur -> let acc = if prev = cur then acc else cur :: acc in prev := cur; acc) x (x :: xs)
<Enjolras>
this does exactlty the same thing as previously posted code
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<Enjolras>
cur :: acc does not assign, it just builds a list. 1 :: [2; 3] is [1; 2; 3]
<Enjolras>
i'm actually not sure about what you are asking. Only guessing
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<ocaml534>
I think you have given me the right nudge. Let me try and come back. Thank you.
<ocaml534>
cur :: acc This means exactly what ?
<lyxia>
"the list with head cur and tail acc"
<chelfi>
(::) is a list constructor that takes an element and a list and returns a new list whose head is the element, and whose tail is the original list
<chelfi>
so 1 :: [] is [1]
<Enjolras>
this constructs a list. If cur is 3 and acc is [2; 1] it constructs the list [3; 2; 1]
<Enjolras>
yes
<ocaml534>
Got it.
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<Enjolras>
duh. List.fold_left (fun (prev, acc) cur -> (cur, if prev = cur then acc else cur :: acc)) [x] (x::xs) :)
<Enjolras>
sorry for the bug
<Enjolras>
List.fold_left (fun (prev, acc) cur -> (cur, if prev = cur then acc else cur :: acc)) (x, [x]) (x::xs)
<ocaml534>
Right
* Enjolras
out, too tired
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<ocaml816>
Is there a way to detect List fold has reached the end of list and return something ?
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<Enjolras>
you could use a counter and pre computing the list lenght
<Enjolras>
but that would be a dirty hack
<Enjolras>
in practice you really don't want to do that
<Enjolras>
you either want to write a recursive function tailored to you your need
<Enjolras>
or most likely move some logic outside of the fold
<ocaml816>
Yes.But I have something in acc that I need to return.
<ocaml816>
Your previous code advice seems to work. Thanks anyway.
<ocaml816>
But I am new. So figuring out still.
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<ocaml816>
| x::l -> List.fold_left ( fun (Some acc) cur -> if compare acc cur = 2 then Some cur else None )(Some x ) l
<ocaml816>
Looks like that now.
<ocaml816>
Storing something based on the result of fold seems to go against the grain ?
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<Anarchos>
when a OUnit2 test complains about 'not equal', how to get the two values printed on stdout ?
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<lyxia>
assert_equal has a ?printer argument
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<Anarchos>
lyxia thanks !
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<cpdean_>
quit
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<seliopou>
rgrinberg it doesn't crash immediately now
<seliopou>
i think i'm gonna make the repo public on monday
<seliopou>
i just have one more thing to clear up before then
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<Leonidas>
companion_cube: I am a bit confused, there is CCSexp, which mentions in its changelog that the parser was moved to CCSexpStream, but there is no docs for the latter?
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