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<owrt-2102-builds> Build [#40](https://buildbot.openwrt.org/openwrt-21.02/images/#builders/31/builds/40) of `x86/geode` completed successfully.
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<owrt-snap-builds> Build [#83](https://buildbot.openwrt.org/master/images/#builders/64/builds/83) of `realtek/generic` failed.
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<russell--> ynezz: i confirmed on the mailing list
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<ynezz> russell--: Is that Tested-by?
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<russell--> ynezz: you can add a Tested-by on the gs108t
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<Hauke> should we activate luci-ssl in openwrt 21.02 by default?
<Hauke> the initramfs for ath79 is 2.2kB bigger, the ipkgs luci-ssl and px5g-wolfssl are togther 6.2KByte
<Hauke> where is this setting done?
<zorun> Hauke: as far as I can remember, the question of self-signed certificate was not resolved
<zorun> do you mean forcing HTTPS by default, or providing both HTTP and HTTPS?
<Hauke> zorun: no not forcing it by default
<Hauke> when someone is using http without TLS, it should stay there. The web server will just be avalibale under https in addition
<zorun> fine with me
<PaulFertser> Is the question with certificates a real one or an imaginary problem?
<russell--> modern browsers get cranky
<PaulFertser> How cranky? I couldn't notice anything bad about it lately.
<Hauke> browsers do not like self signed certificates
<russell--> i will say, i have *not* tried it recently
<PaulFertser> The thing is, at my job we run OpenBMC web ui and it works only over https, so the generated self-signed certificates are getting tested by different browsers our networking folks using.
* russell-- not a habitual luci user
<PaulFertser> And I do not remember that being problematic at all.
<zorun> browsers are cranky when using insecure old algorithms
<PaulFertser> With chromium as shipped by Debian it's just one additional click to proceed working with the web server.
<zorun> self-signed with reasonable algorithms should still be working ok
<PaulFertser> So we just need to check that uhttpd is using reasonable algorithms and default to https then :)
<Hauke> OpenWrt 21.02 use TLS 1.3, so algorithems are not the problem
<PaulFertser> Hauke: so did you observe any browser lately that wasn't happy with it?
<PaulFertser> Or did anyone?
<Hauke> some browser forget about the allowed self signed certificate after some time
<Hauke> safari does not allow certificates which are valid more than 2 years
<PaulFertser> I think it's not only about the transport but it's also about the hash algorithm used for signatures, including the Root CA.
<PaulFertser> I use chromium incognito mode exclusively, it doesn't seem to be an issue if it forgets I trusted some server, I just press the "proceed to the website" link again, trivial, not problematic.
<PaulFertser> Doesn't allow at all, even for self-signed?
<Hauke> I would like to add support for https server to 21.02 and keep the automatic redirect switched off like it is since this commit: https://git.openwrt.org/0cf3c5dd7257dff1c87b61c5e53e5b1787ab7015
<Hauke> but I do not know where this is configured in the build bots
<PaulFertser> My question is why the automatic redirect is considered to be bad.
<Hauke> then everyone will see the scarry warning about the self signed certificate
<zorun> leave the choice to the user
<PaulFertser> The warning is not scary, it's expected and reassuring, you see the warning and you know that the right thing is happening.
<Hauke> I will go outside now, it is the hottest day since 6 months now
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<Tapper1> Hi does any one know why a Iphone would not connect to my r7800?
<Tapper1> I have androids in my house and they work just fine.
<Tapper1> A friend has stoped by and can't get on to the network. I don't know what to try.
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<Tapper> could it be Coverage cell density?
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<swalker> updated openwrt/upstream, https://sdwalker.github.io/uscan/index.html
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<dhewg> Tapper: there've been reports that disabling "allow legacy b rates" has such an effect, maybe it's that
<Tapper> Thanks dhewg I will try it out.
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<Hauke> ynezz: thanks for the links
<Hauke> this functionality would be nice
<Hauke> should we make luci-theme-openwrt-2020 the default?
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