<mangix> it's interesting that all of these can get fixed in mac80211
<mangix> instead of fixing each individual driver
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<blocktrr1> iwlwifi required firmware fixes if i understood it correctly
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<Namidairo> which they deployed, quietly...
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<blocktrr1> I'd much rather would've found it nice if they would at least disclosed which products were affected.
<mangix> blocktrr1: right. I meant softmac drivers
<mangix> iwlwifi and ath10k are a bit special though...
<blocktrr1> There were firmware updates for iwlmvm up to the 8xxx series, but none for newer cards
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<blocktrr1> and no mention about iwldvm
<Namidairo> did they say which version fixed them though
<pkgadd> 19:56:19 < johill> prior to 9000 series, it's all in mac80211 software
<mangix> interesting...
<blocktrr1> Still lacks an explicit statement about iwldvm though
<blocktrr1> To be fair, these are 7 year old cards, so my expectations about them were low anyway
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<Namidairo> i think most of the actively used intel cards older than the 9000 series in my house are actually dead or broken
<pkgadd> I won't tell you about my ipw2200 cards then ;)
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<Nick_Lowe> Yes, it's not all fixed in mac80211
<Nick_Lowe> More will I am sure come out in the woodwork
<Nick_Lowe> We could really do with an effective 802.11 aware protocol fuzzer too
<Namidairo> some of the enterprise vendors are already pushing updates
<Nick_Lowe> https://github.com/vanhoefm/fragattacks - There's tooling to test black box for exposure to the new issues here btw
<Nick_Lowe> Yes, they are - but that is also fucked up
<Nick_Lowe> As the disclosure was partial
<Nick_Lowe> Some large vendors found out today
<Nick_Lowe> Have any vendors expect those pushed updates?
<Namidairo> Aruba?
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<Nick_Lowe> The WiFi Alliance apparently also tried to sync this apparently - but the vendor I work for heard nothing
<Nick_Lowe> So we're on the back foot
<Nick_Lowe> Anyway, the good news is that we're not likely going to see this practically exploited for a window of time
<Nick_Lowe> So no need to panic and let's ensure everything that needs to be patched gets patched
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<Nick_Lowe> This really does show up the terrible servicing model for embedded devices and routers though
<Nick_Lowe> We all need to do better
<Namidairo> being unauthed and injecting ICMP into a secured network and capturing a response on the other end would be quite the party trick
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<Namidairo> isn't this problematic for openwrt since ath79 defaults to the ath10k-ct variant
<Namidairo> one would have to see how long candela take to release an update?
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<pkgadd> worst case would be switching (back-) to plain ath10k/ QCA firmware, not great, but no dark magic involved eithe
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<enyc> hrrm, FragAttacks.com published now...
<enyc> Raises question what OpenWRT state, statement/response is!
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<rsalvaterra> enyc: These vulnerabilities exist at the kernel and firmware level. When (if, depending on the hardware) they're fixed upstream, the patches will be backported to stable kernels. It's business as usual.
<enyc> rsalvaterra: hrrm, is this why there are things like candelatech modified atheros firmwares and so-on ?
<enyc> rsalvaterra: [upstream wifi chip vendor not supporting fw] etc...
<Q_> I had to switch back to ath10k because the -ct version just crashes randomly and upstream says they can't fix it.
<rsalvaterra> enyc: In case of ath10k, it started with fixing vendor firmware bugs and including features it didn't implement.
<rsalvaterra> Q_: What ath10k hardware are you using?
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: ping
<rsalvaterra> Grommish: pong
<Q_> QCA9880 / QCA9560
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: Would you know how to add .ko deps to a kmod_ package? I've got a kmod_nf_nat that needs 2 .ko files that aren't being copied
<Grommish> the kmod package is confusing and scary :D
<rsalvaterra> Q_: For QCA9880, you need the -ct firmware if you want WPA3 support without fatal firmware crashes. The crashes will still happen, but the -ct firmware is able to recover.
<rsalvaterra> Grommish: Sure, I've done it before. Do you know the exact dependencies?
<rsalvaterra> That's not OpenWrt… :P
<Grommish> Now, now ;p
<Grommish> I'm doing a POC build to ensure the drivers are all kernel based
<Grommish> before I go ripping them out and putting them into 5.10
<Grommish> I tried a 19.07 build, but it just stopped at the Booting Kernel stage.. so, I'm trying main branch again
<rsalvaterra> Grommish: Ripping them out… as in the source code, right? Not the compiled modules.
<Grommish> Right
<Q_> It works without problems with the non-ct version. I've not checked that WPA3 works properly, it might not have any devices that connect to it using WPA3.
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: I know better than that :) But, I also have the full ralink source in the kernel gpl.. and all kinds of tasty configuration options now with a proper dts and whatnot
<rsalvaterra> Q_: I failed to mention that the problem is also present for WPA2 with MFP (802.11w). MFP is the culprit (and it's mandatory in WPA3).
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: HW IPSec and HW Nat enabled. The HW Crypto engines, etc
<rsalvaterra> Grommish: That's mighty sweet…!
<Grommish> rsalvaterra: If I can get it to build.. but, I keep learnnig new things and hitting new walls..this is the latest :)
<Grommish> That kmod libs have to do with the hw nat, so I need to add them to the kmod file
<rsalvaterra> Grommish: Hm… That hwnat implementation is probably too ad-hoc to be merged upstream. It needs to be a hardware flow offloading implementation on a DSA switch, like we have on MT7621, for sure…
<Grommish> One thing at a time.. Once I get it working, I've got the technical sheets for the RTL8367RB
<Grommish> Although this is a legit driver for that board
<Grommish> Symbol: NET_REALTEK_RTL8367_PLUGIN [=y]
<Grommish> DSA can come later ;p
<Q_> rsalvaterra: My laptop that's configured to only do wpa3 is happy to connect to it.
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<rsalvaterra> Q_: That's rather strange. Running Linux?
<Q_> Yes
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<enyc> Q_: can you check 21.02RC builds with ath10k firmawer inrluded? I think this may need to be sorted/bugreported/etc for 21.02 release....
<enyc> Q_: I need to attach more serial consoles (may be able to at weekend/monday) to monitor mine
<xback> f00b4r0: patch pushed to master and backported to 21.02. Thanks for looking into that so fast
<Q_> It runs a 21.02 snapshot (r15831-c74df745fd), but I can try a newer one if you want.
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<enyc> Q_: i'm not expert but basically I also suspect ath10k-ct firmware issups and I think issue/bug needs to be created for 21.02
<enyc> may be better 21.02 released with non-ct firmware as it appears crash issues happen etc
<Q_> enyc: I have a bug report here: https://github.com/greearb/ath10k-ct/issues/178
<enyc> Q_: ok i'll tryi to keep that open for when i can collate some moredebug
<enyc> Q_: in any case, openwrt bug ref, how this to be sorted for 21.02 ?
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<f00b4r0> xback: np yw
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<rmilecki> jow: do you think that board.json should also have layer 2 and layer 3 separated?
<rmilecki> to avoid mixing them like:
<rmilecki> "lan": { "ifname": "lan1 lan2 lan5 lan6 sw",
<rmilecki> "protocol": "static" }
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<jow> aparcar[m]: sounds good
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<aparcar[m]> jow: ty
<jow> rmilecki: eventually yes
<aparcar[m]> jow: while I got your attention: https://github.com/openwrt/luci/pull/5041#issuecomment-839646364
<jow> aparcar[m]: too much text to quickly scan through, do you want me to ask something specific?
<aparcar[m]> jow: please design a generic notification system :)
<jow> yes notifications are fine, notification framework... probably makes sense
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<jow> the thing feckert came up looks like a good start
<jow> instead of the modal popup, you could call http://openwrt.github.io/luci/jsapi/LuCI.ui.html#addNotification for each notification read from ubus
<jow> it allows for arbitrary markup
<jow> and should display a yellowish banner at the top of the view
<aparcar[m]> but it blocks from further input
<jow> may be called multiple times
<jow> no, it shouldn't
<jow> on a random luci page, open the browser debug console and enter `L.ui.addNotification('Example', '<p>foo</p>')`
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<jow> you just need to figure out a way to let the "Dismiss" button also delete the notifaction
<jow> either by attaching an event handler after the fact (ui.addNotificatio() returns the div node of the banner) or by changing ui.addNotification() itself to allow more control over the rendered contents
<aparcar[m]> Perfect. I confused it with this modal thing which takes over the screen
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<jow> that service() function thing which was added a while back is really weird
<jow> service help -> listing
<jow> service foo -> listing
<jow> service list -> listing
<jow> service dnsmasq -> help
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<aparcar[m]> jow: looks like only a "help" function is really missing
<aparcar[m]> if service exists: show possible options, if not, show available services (with status)
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<nbd> rmilecki: ping
<rmilecki> nbd: pong
<nbd> i've taken a quick look at your patch regarding 'config bridge' support
<nbd> first of all, i think it would be a good idea to simply rename the 'ports' option to 'ifname' in config_init_bridges
<nbd> in order to avoid processing two potentially conflicting options for the same thing on config device/interface sections
<nbd> with rename, i mean using uci_rename
<nbd> so sticking to your syntax in actual config files
<nbd> and then there's another thing:
<nbd> since you wanted to have bridges that are brought up by default, i think the new config syntax is a good opportunity to do so without potentially adding regressions to old configurations
<rmilecki> nbd: sounds good
<rmilecki> nbd: any hint how to handle that?
<nbd> how about having a 'config bridge' section imply the creation of an implicit proto=none interface with the same name
<nbd> that would allow you to use ifup/ifdown on the bridge as well
<rmilecki> oh, that magic creation of interfaces worries me
<rmilecki> more magic I mean
<rmilecki> jow: ^^
<rmilecki> nbd: could bridge.c code simply create bridge on device_create() callback?
<rmilecki> nbd: why do we need actual event to create bridge?
<jow> 14:34 < nbd> how about having a 'config bridge' section imply the creation of an implicit proto=none interface with the same name
<jow> please no!
<jow> more magic implicit state
<nbd> i mean right now, you can use ifup/ifdown to recreate the state of dynamically created interfaces like vlans, bridges, etc.
<nbd> creating bridge devices without any interface user breaks that
<nbd> or we would need to add a separate devup/devdown, or parameters to ifup
<nbd> but then we have a lot of potential for bad interactions with device refcounting
<nbd> and the internal data model of netifd starts getting more messy than it already is
<nbd> so while in principle i agree with having less magic, the implicitly created interface is the least intrusive and least problematic way of implementing this feature that i can think of
<nbd> and it's easier to handle from CLI if you can just use regular ifup/ifdown on it
<nbd> if you guys can think of a better way, please let mek now
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<rmilecki> jow: this is a bit too complex for me at this point, let me (us) know if you know how it could be handled
<rmilecki> for now i'm voting for 1. no magic interface 2. having to create UCI interface config even if its dummy
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<nbd> rmilecki: in that case, i don't know if it's such a good idea to merge the patch that adds the 'config bridge' support
<nbd> because then it simply introduces yet another way to configure the exact same thing, except for one renamed config option
<rmilecki> nbd: let me quickly share my long term plan
<rmilecki> nbd: i want new UCI section syntax (type actually)
<rmilecki> then I want to translate old syntax to the new one
<rmilecki> then drop old syntax support
<rmilecki> that applies to bridge as well as other types
<rmilecki> jow: ^^
<nbd> i think any change that leads to eventually breaking old configs should come with some significant benefits
<nbd> otherwise you're simply adding lots of migration churn, ui changes, etc.
<rmilecki> i believe it's going to result in cleaner UCI and LuCI in the final form
<nbd> then maybe we should hold off on these sorts of changes until we have a draft for the final form
<nbd> and migrate to that
<rmilecki> nbd: I can document that first if it helps, sure
<nbd> that would be helpful
<rmilecki> will do
<nbd> because the ifname->ports change alone is not enough to justify it, in my opinion
<nbd> and if you support a half-baked new syntax, and people start using that before we've even implemented the full new syntax, we have even more extra churn and nasty surprises for users
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<stintel> libgpg-error doesn't build for me: https://gist.github.com/b845c7e079b009d53da213b5a056d606 - reverting the bump to 1.42 fixes that but according to the checks in the PR it built fine ... anyone any idea ?
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<ynezz> nbd: thanks for taking care of that fartattack fixes!
<nbd> yw
<ynezz> seems like we should prepare release as well
<rmilecki> ynezz: fart you say?
<ynezz> 19.07.8 and 21.02.0-rc2
<rmilecki> ;)
<ynezz> ah, typo, sorry
<ynezz> Hauke: zorun: ^
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<nbd> ynezz: i plan on adding mt76 fixes some time this week
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<nbd> 19.07 probably doesn't need an mt76 fix
<nbd> the mt76 issue only affects 7615+ with a-msdu and 802.3 decap offload (which isn't in 19.07)
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<aparcar[m]> does busybox intentionally lacks the build date?
<aparcar[m]> BusyBox v1.33.0 () built-in shell (ash)
<aparcar[m]> it should usually be within the brackets
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<jow> likely a consequence of reproducible builds
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<aparcar[m]> I'll look into that, would be cool to add in the last git source or something
<aparcar[m]> this seems like an awkward thing https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/4167
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<aparcar[m]> lynxis: looks like you did 34df4d40e20, comments?
<aparcar[m]> the kernel already uses EPOCH afaik
<jow> aparcar[m]: changing the busybox dns resolving preference just like that is asking for trouble
<jow> I'd strongly advise against it
<jow> broken ipv6 is far more common than one might expect
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<jow> ideally I'd use happy eyeballs for its primitive resolver functions
<jow> s/I'd/it'd/
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<jow> sorry, that was bs, not for resolving, but for connecting() and stuff like that
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<jow> in general this looks like a case of PR activism to me
<jow> "mhh... my OpenWrt is having 4 NTP peers instead of just one"... "hmm ntpd behaves weird"... "hmm busybox sucks"... "Change all the things!!!!"
<jow> proposing to change the resolve preference without any sort of information about conducted tests, possible regressions etc. is an absolute no-go"
<aparcar[m]> jow: well you know me, I'm not looking for trouble
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<jow> s/not // :D
<aparcar[m]> all right I just looked at the sources and it seemed like a trivial issue fixed by that, see https://bugs.busybox.net/show_bug.cgi?id=12381
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<aparcar[m]> ;)
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<aparcar[m]> I updated my comment to not encourage anyone to much
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<jow> aparcar[m]: I am too dense to understand that busybox bug report you linked
<jow> ah nevermind, got it
<jow> so what this features does is pulling ipv4 replies first to return if there's any
<jow> instead of simply using the first resolver reply
<jow> fine with me then
<jow> I thought this option somehow changes the way DNS queries are made
<lynxis> aparcar[m]: what's wrong with 34df4d40e20?
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<Hauke> ynezz: yes we should do a 19.07.8 and 21.02.0-rc2 soon
<aparcar[m]> lynxis: i want the (reproducible) build date in the BusyBox line
<aparcar[m]> Hauke: please wait until we have the SRV thing backported or people will be sad
<aparcar[m]> jow: I'll try to get some ipv6 and give it a try
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<lynxis> aparcar[m]: if it's possible by now to build busybox reproducible with a date go for it. I would love to review it.
<aparcar[m]> lynxis: I'll have to cook come potatoes but I'll keep you posted later tonight. We share the same TZ btw
<Hauke> aparcar[m]: are you back again or just on a short visit?
<lynxis> aparcar[m]: I'm unsure if you're in the us or in germany :)
<aparcar[m]> lynxis: ger
<aparcar[m]> Hauke: visit
<Pepe> It's question if ath9k needs to be updated as well. Maybe it would require to update firmwares as well
<lynxis> I'm facing a lot of DFS events on my (old) ath9k devices. e.g. wdr4300 on channel 60. It can't be an official weather radar.
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<blogic> microwave ?
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<svanheule> blogic: ping
<blogic> yo
<svanheule> concerning the uci poe discussion
<blogic> yeah
<svanheule> I've ported two devices already that a simple, GPIO-enabled PoE passthrough
<svanheule> I think these could also be supported by the uci PoE config
<blogic> ok, got a git link ?
<blogic> which devices are these ?
<svanheule> https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=c9f51a9ad6e8f99ed7adb78d208740b7d351985b
<svanheule> https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=1e75909a35a2b361cdfdfcf18a26ad61271b174e
<svanheule> currently I've exported those GPIOs through gpio-export
<blogic> ok
<svanheule> but I just realised these could fit in the regulator framework
<blogic> yeah
<blogic> that was exactly what I was thinking
<svanheule> Borromini has an EAP235-Wall, I'm sure he'd be glad to test any proposed solutions :)
<blogic> well, he is an usual suspect so I would expect a 'yes'
<blogic> ;)
<svanheule> ok, I'll cook up a patch to export a fixed-regulator with that GPIO, and ask if he has time to test :-)
<blogic> cool
<svanheule> then that would provide a second type of "PoE controller" you can use to cook up a uci-syntax
<blogic> once that is ready I will adapt it for the ubnt er-x* units
<blogic> yeah
<blogic> it wil take a bit of desing considoration to find a generic approach
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<Ansuel> ping greearb ?
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<pkgadd> Ansuel: just as a quick update, root@nbg6817:~# uptime --> up 20:57, all fine with your current dsa PR - now preparing a new build including tsense/ PCI I/O changes ;)
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<Ansuel> pkgadd: nice! any difference with speed and cpu load?
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<pkgadd> Ansuel: my 'feeling' suggests that it might be a little slower (~365 MBit/s vs 420-430 MBit/s), but hard to say for sure
<Ansuel> pkgadd: you mean with the old patch or with swconfig ?
<pkgadd> right now I'm referrring to the old dsa patch, but swconfig in general might have been a little faster (slightly less CPU intense) overall, it's hard to say for sure
<pkgadd> I'm not far away from the ceiling ipq8065 can do without NSS - and reliable speedtests are also hard to get at 400/200 MBit/s ftth
<pkgadd> so the results may vary unrelated to the router as well
<pkgadd> dslreports: 364.7/201.4, fast.com: 400/200, waveform.com: 362.7/ 207.0, speedtest.net: 398.11/ 205.41, breitbandmessung.de: 392.42/ 216.32. I'm usually seeing ~422-430/ 211 MBit/s.
<Ansuel> what i notice from the swconfig driver is that the dsa driver massively pool the mdio interface to get the port status while swconfig didn't use that at all... think this is what slow down the driver...
<pkgadd> iirc that has been an issue with swconfig before, so the polling was tuned down
<pkgadd> as qca8337 is slow to report those stats
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<pkgadd> Ansuel: iirc related to https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commitdiff;h=6648e9458f2f47cdbe16bd9537f08048a0a252fd
<pkgadd> and https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commitdiff;h=107dc4326ccfaff27bd1e698b8bc7fb942233559
<Ansuel> i need to check if something like that is present for dsa...
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<Nick_Lowe> Could we get irqbalance included and enabled by default for the R7800 and other multicore routers?
<Nick_Lowe> Why is this a manual, extra step on these?
<Nick_Lowe> Is there a good reason this is not included and started by default generally?
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