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<aw->
hi all
<beneroth>
hi aw-
<aw->
hey beneroth, have you heard of posteo ?
<aw->
it's a German email provider
<beneroth>
yeah I have
<beneroth>
Some friends do use it. I haven't.
<aw->
cool, it seems like a decent service, good company
<beneroth>
Afaik posteo has good reputation, as they attempt to fight surveillance laws/orders and protect user privacy - but they recently lost a court battle, having to track users if they're asked to.
<beneroth>
(asked from german police)
<beneroth>
posteo was one of the first here to implement DANE apparently. and they would like to have a law that companies have to transparently report publicity all information request (surveillance/police) they get.
<beneroth>
ah they actually won court cases in the past (like spring 2018), where a gov department wanted them to hand over user metadata
<beneroth>
but they recently lost one (in germans highest court), with the questionable result that: yes indeed service providers can be forced to track additionally data they usually would not track for police investigations.
<beneroth>
No english article about this story apparently :/
<aw->
beneroth: wow thanks for the info!
<aw->
i'll throw this into google translate ;)
<beneroth>
good luck. maybe try deepl.com ?
<beneroth>
:)
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<beneroth>
have a nice day!
<beneroth>
bbl
<aw->
see you
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<rob_w>
hi Regenaxer , question , do you have a drastically new version of your "work" tool to measure hours on a project ?
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<Regenaxer>
Hi aw-, rob_w!
<Regenaxer>
rob_w, hehe, I think it changed not at all :)
<Regenaxer>
Only some keys
<Regenaxer>
to navigate without mouse iirc
<rob_w>
ok cool thx
<Regenaxer>
as I use it in Termux on tablet
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<razzy>
i can just auto-install picolisp on MACbook? whaaat? mindblown in a good way :]
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<Regenaxer>
I think this is pil32
<razzy>
thx, for now it is good enough
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<beneroth>
Good evening
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, why is it actually infeasible to use Ersatz on Windows? Is Ersatz missing features (fork, pilDb,...) other than the ones marked as "only pil64" in ref? or is it just the performance (and nobody actually tried) ?
<beneroth>
(same on Mac, I guess)
<beneroth>
Is the Ersatz pilDB format same as pil64, or pil32, or different again?
<beneroth>
(note: yes we definitely and for a long time are in need of a matrix making clear the differences between the multiple pil editions...)
<Regenaxer>
Ersatz is lacking all those POSIX stuff
<Regenaxer>
uses only things available in Java :)
<Regenaxer>
It is described in ersatz/README
<Regenaxer>
There is no support for
<Regenaxer>
-- raw console input ('key') and line editing
<Regenaxer>
-- child processes ('fork')
<Regenaxer>
-- interprocess communication ('tell', 'hear', 'ipc', 'udp' etc.)
<Regenaxer>
-- databases (external symbols)
<Regenaxer>
-- native C calls
<Regenaxer>
-- signal handling
<Regenaxer>
-- namespaces
<Regenaxer>
-- coroutines
<Regenaxer>
Why do you think it is "infeasible to use Ersatz on Windows"?
<beneroth>
already, that answers my questions. sorry for asking you instead of just reading the README ^^
<beneroth>
for me that makes Ersatz infeasible, as I'm mainly interested in pilDB, not scripting (though I use pil for scripting tasks sometimes)
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, though I wonder if it might be easier to add this things somehow to Ersatz instead of creating a windows version somehow.
<beneroth>
many somehows :D
<Regenaxer>
yes, thought so too
<Regenaxer>
Especially as the first version of the pil db, around 1996, was for TeaTime, a Forth Syntax pil in Java
<Regenaxer>
(ie. Java version of Lifo)
<Regenaxer>
of course only single-user
<Regenaxer>
PLIO also already exists in Java (though not in Ersatz currently, but in PilBox)
<beneroth>
sounds feasible then :)
<Regenaxer>
yes, for sure
<Regenaxer>
But would it really be useful?
<beneroth>
pil incl. pil DB available on windows and mac - I would use it for creating offline apps, yes I would find it useful
<beneroth>
be them offline-clients to web-apps (like your android app for the ERP system) or be it standalone programs
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<Regenaxer>
ok
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