08:24 <rob_w> ,,, so how is everybody ?

08:25 <Regenaxer> Hi rob_w! Fine I hope :)

08:26 <rob_w> that i hope too

08:26 <Regenaxer> :)

08:27 <rob_w> i am currently sitting infront of a "rewrite" but cant get myself quite to start it ;-)

08:27 <Regenaxer> hehe

08:28 <Regenaxer> The knock detector?

08:29 <rob_w> no not this one ;-)

08:30 <rob_w> btw, i got myself a propriatory tracing software, pretty cool

08:30 <beneroth> Hi rob_w !

08:30 <rob_w> visualsations do make a difference for me

08:31 <Regenaxer> tracing on the CPU level?

08:31 <rob_w> not direclty but on task level

08:31 <rob_w> but u do see all cpu task or any task you define

08:33 <Regenaxer> cool

08:33 <rob_w> on linux it will show you any process from usersapce or kernelspace and then you can create various grafical views of the interesting parts, locks, waits, file i/o

08:34 <beneroth> interesting

08:34 <rob_w> i like it alot but still learing how to leverage it

08:34 <beneroth> leverage it what meaning? making more useful? turning into a commercial product?

08:35 <rob_w> leveraging from the insights i might get and retuning my software

08:37 <rob_w> the linux kernel ( hence anything under it ) has a build_in tracing structure .. the tool now grabs those and gives you gui to it generate plots .. so the areas in which to look into are plenty

08:37 <beneroth> at top of my mind I can think of: 1) allowing to (graphically?) define/set thresholds (e.g. CPU, memory usage, I/O, ...) to monitor a process (or a group of processes), and maybe trigger alerts or so... 2) finding combined patterns, e.g. I/O on process A leads to high CPU in process B... dunno how ensure to do this in a meaningful manner...

08:38 <rob_w> beneroth, ur completlty right

08:38 <beneroth> uh thanks

08:38 <beneroth> I would like such a tool for monitoring :)

08:39 <rob_w> i am just starting to use it and i keep starring on my cpu load graph which already makes me think alot

08:39 <rob_w> specially during inter process situations ..

08:41 <rob_w> grafically my stuff liks like a or 2 bricks of CPUWALLS with empty space between them, so am now in the mood to rewrite and make the same problem more distributed over time

08:41 <Regenaxer> Needs a big screen I suppose to keep overview

08:41 <rob_w> ... and colors , Regenaxer ;-)))

08:41 <beneroth> yeah

08:41 <Regenaxer> T

08:42 <rob_w> the downside to that perticular software is that its based on mono and still flanky and buggy

08:56 <beneroth> uh, so C# ?

09:01 <rob_w> seems like

09:13 <Nistur> mornin'

09:14 <Regenaxer> Hi Nistur

09:14 <Nistur> hello :)

09:21 <beneroth> hi Nistur

09:21 <beneroth> hi freemint

20:42 <beneroth> https://compiler.sucks redirects now to the tractatus

20:43 <Regenaxer> Wow! How come?

20:44 <Regenaxer> I didn't know there is a top-level domain ".sucks"

20:46 <beneroth> there is for some years now

20:47 <Regenaxer> seems so

20:50 <beneroth> in another chat we just kidded about funny domains, and someone mentioned that compiler.sucks is still available, so I registered it!

20:50 <beneroth> :)

20:50 <Regenaxer> Ha, cool! :)

20:50 <Regenaxer> Great idea!

21:38 <rick42> my man! \o/ | <Regenaxer> I will filter any uploads from now on [...] using a coffee filter

21:51 <beneroth> Ahoy rick42 o/

21:53 <rick42> \o ahoy m8!

21:53 <rick42> you're up late, eh?

21:58 <beneroth> 11 PM here

21:58 <rick42> ok. late 4 me :)

21:59 <rick42> hey beneroth, i started using exwm (window manager) last week and trying to use it exclusively and "working the kinks out". it's been fun

21:59 <beneroth> cool

21:59 <rick42> i'm also using plumb/plumber from plan9port

21:59 <rick42> hehe

21:59 <beneroth> uh what is that?

22:00 <rick42> in conjuction with exwm

22:00 <beneroth> plumb/plumber?

22:00 <rick42> that's like the open command on steriods

22:00 <rick42> steroids

22:00 <beneroth> ok, same question concerning open command? :D

22:00 <rick42> hehehe how about xdg-open?

22:00 <beneroth> I'm using standard i3wm :)

22:01 <rick42> nice!

22:01 <beneroth> ah

22:01 <beneroth> program menu?

22:02 <rick42> so, if i highlight some text in an app and hit Super-o, it does the right thing with it

22:02 <beneroth> iw3m works by typing in the program name, it autocompletes/shows everything in PATH.. so rather much. but the few stuff I use regularly is not hard to memorize

22:02 <beneroth> oh ok

22:02 <rick42> are you using dmenu_run with i3wm?

22:03 <rick42> dmenu_run is a "program menu" like that -- launches apps

22:05 <rick42> it gives you a menu of choices just like you described (by searching your PATH and caching the candidates)

22:05 <rick42> does "fuzzy" matching as you type

22:05 <rick42> right?

22:09 <rick42> yeah, i like using those program launchers because it helps me remember the program names lol :D

22:13 <beneroth> bindsym $mod+F2 exec dmenu_run

22:13 <beneroth> yea

22:13 <beneroth> standard config, afaik

22:13 <rick42> ah, yeah, GREAT program!

22:14 <beneroth> only thing I configured with i3wm was: background wallpaper picture (just executing feh), and I doubled the number of desktops to 20 by using both mod keys (alt and windows key)

22:15 <beneroth> so I usually work with up to 20 desktops, 10 on each screen (2 screens).

22:15 <beneroth> or all 20 on one, on the laptop

22:16 <beneroth> most applications/windows have a fixed (by habit) desktop number, so it's muscle memory to switch between them

22:16 <rick42> wow! 20!

22:17 <beneroth> well I don't use all 20 all the time.. though on desktop I actually often do..

22:17 <beneroth> e.g. one desktop is this IRC chat in fullscreen :)

22:17 <rick42> oh btw, here's an article about plumber: https://www.mostlymaths.net/2013/04/just-as-mario-using-plan9-plumber.html

22:18 <beneroth> one is email, one is ticketing system (client support requests), one is browser on the webapp I work on at that moment, one is picolisp ref, one (or multiple) is emacs, one is music... and so on :)

22:18 <rick42> yeah, full screen; so you hardly get any message line wrapping :)

22:18 <beneroth> aye

22:18 <rick42> do you have popup notifications?

22:19 <rick42> so you can focus on the other desktop

22:19 <rick42> that needs your attention?

22:19 <rick42> or do you just "make your rounds" (like a doctor at the hospital) at regular times?

22:20 <beneroth> standard bottom bar "i3status"

22:21 <beneroth> and yes, popup notifications too ("messages")

22:21 <rick42> better

22:21 <beneroth> but I mostly don't use them

22:21 <beneroth> IRC blinks in status bar

22:21 <beneroth> chat messenger beeps

22:21 <beneroth> rest I check out from time to time

22:22 <beneroth> not too much invading attention grabers...

22:22 <rick42> hehehe good

22:23 <rick42> so, i had gone full emacs donk: emacs is my window manager. lol

22:23 <rick42> so for that person here who once doubted that i was an emacs user ... :)

22:23 <rick42> emacs (ab)user

22:23 <beneroth> someone doubted?

22:23 <beneroth> lol

22:25 <rick42> thanks to emacs (exwm), i now have emacs keybindings in firefox and other apps that don't normally have that. that is super nice!

22:26 <rick42> emacs (exwm) intercepts the keys going to, say, firefox, and translates them (to the keys firefox needs to see)

22:26 <beneroth> ah

22:26 <beneroth> exwm is emacs wm?

22:26 <beneroth> but.but but ... emacs IS a wm!!!

22:26 <rick42> so when I do a M-w, firefix only sees Ctrl-c

22:26 <rick42> yes

22:26 <beneroth> why not just use emacs as init process? pid 1? :P

22:26 <rick42> :)

22:27 <rick42> right. like pil

22:27 <beneroth> yeah ;-)

22:27 <beneroth> systemP

22:27 <rick42> lol

22:27 <beneroth> the D sucks

22:27 <rick42> :)

22:31 <rick42> ah, off to dinner. have a good evening / good night (sleep well)!

22:51 <beneroth> bbl

22:51 <beneroth> gn8