<razzy>
but it better than nothing. i forgot i can use quote for that purpose :]
<razzy>
thx
<Regenaxer>
What else to return?
<razzy>
nothing
<Regenaxer>
You must always return something
<razzy>
act as code storage
<Regenaxer>
there is no "nothing"
<razzy>
NIL
<Regenaxer>
You can trivially write such a function
<Regenaxer>
but it is useless
<razzy>
(nil (quote prg)) solved
<razzy>
it saves me time
<Regenaxer>
How would you use it?
<Regenaxer>
Why not use #{ ... }# ?
<razzy>
so i can collapse code i do not want to look at and i do not use at a time
<Regenaxer>
moment, brb
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<Regenaxer>
The best is #{ ... }#
<Regenaxer>
it also nests
<razzy>
do i need new pil?
<razzy>
or emacs module?
<Regenaxer>
What kind of new?
<razzy>
#{ }# does not work for my emacs
<razzy>
hilights are off
<Regenaxer>
This has nothing to do with the editor
<Regenaxer>
Comments always work
<Regenaxer>
ah
<Regenaxer>
Then use vip
<razzy>
i do not want to yet
<Regenaxer>
It highlights Building the PilBox KernelBuilding the PilBox Kernel
<Regenaxer>
oops
<razzy>
:]
<Regenaxer>
it highlights #{ }#
<Regenaxer>
(wrong paste, just writing a mailing list post about PilBox)
<razzy>
no problem
<razzy>
also, i read backlog if i asked something. if noone want to answer, no problem
<Regenaxer>
ok, which question was unanswered?
<razzy>
function that adds and removes all escape characters
<razzy>
i did not find
<Regenaxer>
filter
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<razzy>
i will look, easy hack if i want emacs picolisp-REPL to (pretty) print everything?
<Regenaxer>
Or just 'delete'
<Regenaxer>
I have no idea about emacs
<razzy>
thx, i have trouble believing filter could easily find all controll characters and escape them :].
<Regenaxer>
I dont really know what you want to do
<Regenaxer>
you said delete all escapes
<Regenaxer>
(delete Lst (char 27) T)
<razzy>
also *add* all escapes to code
<Regenaxer>
also?
<razzy>
2 functions that are complementary
<Regenaxer>
What do you need that for
<Regenaxer>
?
<razzy>
playing with code
<Regenaxer>
It depends on the usage
<razzy>
evolutionary algoritms, text compression
<Regenaxer>
So just do it. It is trivial
<Regenaxer>
(pack (mapcar '((C) (if (= C ..) (list ...
<Regenaxer>
depends what exactly you want to do
<Regenaxer>
or use 'make' in a loop, or 'replace'
<Regenaxer>
it all depends on the details
<razzy>
i want to take random text, find all controll characters, escape them.
<Regenaxer>
Think about it
<Regenaxer>
Then do it :)
<Regenaxer>
What is the problem?
<Regenaxer>
(if (>= 32 C) .. above
<Regenaxer>
(>= 32 C) is control
<razzy>
but, if it find controll character, i am in the world of problems if it start controlling flow
<Regenaxer>
For the most general and powerful way, consider 'state'
<Regenaxer>
I use it in @lib/vip.l to markup text
<razzy>
will look
<Regenaxer>
For a simple replace of control chars, use the above mapcar or better mapcan
<razzy>
will look
<Regenaxer>
good
<razzy>
also, not properly escaped controll characters are source of horrible bugs.
<Regenaxer>
Really?
<razzy>
if you did not catch them all, and interpretter have sometimes undocummented controll characters
<razzy>
really hard to be sure it is bugless
<Regenaxer>
Huh? I never saw a crash due to a control character
<Regenaxer>
In most languages they are just white space
<Regenaxer>
(in pil too)
<Regenaxer>
And what does escaping them help?
<razzy>
i can than work with them safely?
<razzy>
"safely"
<Regenaxer>
I don't understand
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<Regenaxer>
What "horrible bugs" have you seen?
<sebboh>
hi Regenaxer. #penti isn't occupied today so I came here.
<Regenaxer>
Hi sebboh! Welcome!
<razzy>
mostly imagining them, thank you for time
<Regenaxer>
Yes, #penti is abandoned
<Regenaxer>
Here is perfect for Penti too :)
<Regenaxer>
razzy, welcome
<sebboh>
I downloaded pentiKeyboard.apk today and it has md5sum 8e5e26b79de3238b4cfd704a965e9967. Is that right?
<Regenaxer>
I have 8e5e26b79de3238b4cfd704a965e9967
<Regenaxer>
ah
<Regenaxer>
yes, same
<Regenaxer>
(I saw only the last part ;)
<sebboh>
ok great. I have the right file, non-corrupted. When I try to use (stock) file manager to open the .apk, it tells me "Parse error". Is my android too old or something? It's 5.1.1
<Regenaxer>
I havent tried any file manager, put you can do $ unzip -l pentiKeyboard.apk
<sebboh>
15 files.
<sebboh>
file(1) reports it is a zip, too.
<Regenaxer>
yes, 15 files
<sebboh>
when I tap a file in File Manager, it opens the file in the default application. For APKs, I presume that is some apk installer.
<Regenaxer>
yes
<Regenaxer>
It seems to depend on the Android
<Regenaxer>
What if you long-press in Downloads and then share?
<sebboh>
let's see
<Regenaxer>
I think even better is do use Chrome
<sebboh>
I don't have Chrome. ...I may have chrome, but I haven't updated it. :) I have Firefox.
<Regenaxer>
You click on the link do download it, and Chrome pops up a short "open" message
<Regenaxer>
Firefox too iirc
<Regenaxer>
hmm :)
<sebboh>
long-press, share gives me only a few options... Termux, Bluetooth, Gmail, Signal, and WhatsApp.
<Regenaxer>
ah, you have Termux
<Regenaxer>
then it is easy, I always use termux
<sebboh>
yes, firefox gave me an 'open' button, and I did that. Parse error.
<sebboh>
ok
<Regenaxer>
Did you setup-storage in Termux?
<sebboh>
I do not have a command with that name on my path but I will search the web for it now.
<Regenaxer>
you can access download directly with it
<Regenaxer>
I think you need the Termux-API app
<Regenaxer>
Termux:API to be exact
<sebboh>
ok the command is `termux-setup-storage` and it does some things, one of which is configure ~/storage/downloads. Fine, done. Ok, I'll install Termux:API.
<Regenaxer>
Perfect!
<Regenaxer>
Then you can do termux-share -d ~/storage/downloads/pentiKeyboard.apk
<Regenaxer>
sebboh, I assume you don't use Google Play Store, right?
<Regenaxer>
Otherwise it would be easier ;)
<sebboh>
I have google play store, yes, but I didn't see pentikeyboard in there.
<Regenaxer>
ah, it is there
<sebboh>
(Play store hides apps incompatible with your device.)
<sebboh>
trying termux-share
<Regenaxer>
You think it is incompatible? Penti only needs Android 6
<Regenaxer>
Perhaps that's why you get the above error?
<sebboh>
oh, I have android 5.1.1. I didn't see the requirement before
<sebboh>
surely.
<Regenaxer>
Sorry!
<Regenaxer>
Old versions of Penti used to work on 5
<Regenaxer>
Shall I try to find an old one?
<sebboh>
I should just rebuild the new one with different settings I think. I see your penti build doesn't require android studio anymore. Nice.
<Regenaxer>
This is not enough. There is code now which is not supported on 5
<Regenaxer>
Thats why I increased it
<sebboh>
I tried your old penti on my old android 5.1.1 phone. Unfortunately the hardware didn't support more than 2 multitouch spots. My wife got a new phone, so I have her old 5.1.1 now.. maybe it supports enough multitouch points for penti..
<sebboh>
oh... I see
<sebboh>
Normally I would turn to your version control system, but if I recall correctly, you only use tarballs, is that right?
<Regenaxer>
Not important stuff though. The DEF functionality iirc
<Regenaxer>
yes, I use snapshots to be exact
<Regenaxer>
I'm just grepping for an older version
<Regenaxer>
It is in the newest directory for minSdk 21
<Regenaxer>
built Nov 23 last year
<sebboh>
it installs.
<Regenaxer>
Cool!
<sebboh>
I can select Penti as my keyboard, but when when I tap a text box, I just get a black area where a keyboard should be. I don't see the circles.
<sebboh>
when I go into Input settings and tap Penti, nothing happens. When I tab Gboard instead, I see a list of settings.
<Regenaxer>
First there should be "PENTI" in large letters
<sebboh>
I don't have adb available to see if there are log messages or something.
<sebboh>
I haven't seen that
<Regenaxer>
strange
<Regenaxer>
You can switch back to normal keyboard?
<Regenaxer>
And then, when selecting Penti again, you should see "PENTI" in a black-to-white gradation
<Regenaxer>
ie the screen before calibration
<sebboh>
I can switch back and forth, but "nothing happens" when I switch to penti
<Regenaxer>
It should work on any device. Is just pure Java
<sebboh>
there is a black void. I noticed that if I leave penti selected and do different things that would activate a keyboard.. the black void does not appear. It only appears when I switch away from gboard.
<Regenaxer>
I tried also on x86-32 devices
<Regenaxer>
But the gradation text never appears?
<sebboh>
correct
<Regenaxer>
What if you tap with all 5 fingers nevertheless?
<sebboh>
Does it do any network activity? I have restricted network activity
<Regenaxer>
No
<sebboh>
nothing happens when I tap the void with four fingers and a thumb
<sebboh>
nor four fingers either
<sebboh>
I will plug it into ADB later.
<Regenaxer>
A single finger should also show a circle
<Regenaxer>
ah, no
<sebboh>
nope, I think it is crashing as soon as it starts
<Regenaxer>
single finger does nothing
<Regenaxer>
hmm, some logcat would be helpful perhaps
<Regenaxer>
Does your device support multi-touch?
<Regenaxer>
It must detect 5 touches simultaneously by hardware
<sebboh>
I have a logcat app on the phone... it says W/InputEventReceiver(23430): Attempted to finish an input event but the input event receiver has already been disposed.
<Regenaxer>
No idea what this means
<Regenaxer>
Perhaps indeed a hardware issue?
<Regenaxer>
No support for 5 touch input events?
<sebboh>
no idea. I will pause this project until later.
<Regenaxer>
Yeah, a pity though
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<Regenaxer>
Hi mtsd! Thanks for your mail!
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<mtsd>
Hi Regenaxer!
<mtsd>
Thanks for replying quickly :)
<mtsd>
You are right, it is going to be some work to do this, but I am looking forward to it.
<Regenaxer>
:)
<mtsd>
At least one of them is quite interested. He has asked me for help to get started before
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<Regenaxer>
Cool! I'm sure you can do :)
<mtsd>
Let's hope so :)
<mtsd>
Time to get some sleep. I will keep you posted! Good night!