<cess11>
probably easy to integrate with newsboat and the podcast tooling around it
<cess11>
while forth is famously low-level there's also factor, which is quite fun to play around with, kind of smalltalk but forth
<Regenaxer>
yeah
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<beneroth>
thanks cess11
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, since when is picolisp UTF-8 ?
<beneroth>
(rough year?)
<Regenaxer>
Started in 1999
<Regenaxer>
second version
<Regenaxer>
(cause it used Java applets for GUI)
<beneroth>
Microsoft SQL Server is just adding it in its newest version...
<Regenaxer>
oh, haha!
<beneroth>
wasn't Java using UTF-16 back then?
<Regenaxer>
no, 3-byte UTF-8
<Regenaxer>
i.e. 16-bit chars
<beneroth>
for some weird reason (I guess the crippled wide-string support in C++) much stuff from the early 2000 is all on UTF-16
<beneroth>
ok
<Regenaxer>
Really
<Regenaxer>
?
<beneroth>
Windows
<Regenaxer>
Not 16-bit "wide" chars?
<Regenaxer>
yes
<Regenaxer>
no utf iirc
<beneroth>
no, UTF-16. Well not even exactly UTF-16 but compatible UCS-2 collation, something like that
<beneroth>
I believe..might be wrong
<Regenaxer>
I see
<beneroth>
anyway
<Regenaxer>
not important, who cares? ;)
<beneroth>
lost some hours yesterday to find out that MSSQL database uses UTF-16 Little Endian and Oracle Database uses UTF-16 Big Endian for NVARCHAR database type
<beneroth>
I produce hashes in SQL on both systems, to compare (data sync)
<Regenaxer>
oh
<beneroth>
same string gave different hash because of the Endianess difference
<beneroth>
so many headaches. all no problem with pilDB.
<Regenaxer>
T
<beneroth>
so I would say you can rightly claim to be 20+ years ahead of the big players in the industry :P
<Regenaxer>
Well, Java was back then
<beneroth>
just by thinking before doing, while decision making in big companies is more talking then doing, thinking even less so
<beneroth>
ok
<beneroth>
good, then Java did one good thing, noted :D
<Regenaxer>
yes, would say so
<Regenaxer>
early Java was good for some things
<Regenaxer>
like browser applets
<Regenaxer>
platform independent
<Regenaxer>
There it made sense
<beneroth>
yeah
<Regenaxer>
but never in servers
<beneroth>
they copied you: runtime instead of platform-specific :P
<Regenaxer>
yep
<beneroth>
servers was the big background of SUN. They hoped that java would become the middle layer for all software, and to cash in big then
<beneroth>
same as Oracle did with buying them, in a sense, fortunately Oracle lost
<beneroth>
the compensation for alleged copyright violation they demanded from Google was suspiciously close (a bit higher) than what they payed for SUN
<beneroth>
madness
<Regenaxer>
:)
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<olaf_h>
<beneroth> said: so I would say you can rightly claim to be 20+ years ahead of the big players in the industry :P
<Regenaxer>
Too big a word ;)
<olaf_h>
this is T for a lot more topics, Regenaxer realized!
<olaf_h>
I do not have a list, but the smooth integration of http/html gui was years ahead of industry
<Regenaxer>
hmm, not sure, I never paid much attention
<olaf_h>
what they now do with javascript and did before with rich clients or so, that all was included in picolisp
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, good you didn't paid attention. others do, get confused and then follow fashion instead of science and clear thinking
<Regenaxer>
ok :)
<olaf_h>
example css3 grid-template-areas attribute - picolisp had this (not 100% the same, but the idea of) since ever (not really, but as long as I know picolisp, i think)
<Regenaxer>
oh, I don't know well, it is by Jon Kleiser
<Regenaxer>
@lib.css, right?
<olaf_h>
picolisp <grid> had a rather similar idea of making it easier to place content in a predefined layout
<Regenaxer>
Jon did some improvemenys back then
<Regenaxer>
ok, yes, <grid> etc. is my stuff
<olaf_h>
my words were wrong .... the Absicht of the mentioned css3 attribute is the same, which you realized in picolisp years ago (or decades ago, perhaps)
<Regenaxer>
I see
<olaf_h>
and putting all stuff only in memory - you did this since .... when .... ? 1980's ? When 640K were the memory size of a dos pc?
<olaf_h>
what vision!
<olaf_h>
what vision you had!
<Regenaxer>
You mean the DB? This started in the late 1990s
<olaf_h>
yes, may be
<olaf_h>
so far my 'good words for today' :-) - i have to go out now. enjoy your day
<Regenaxer>
thanks Olaf!
<Regenaxer>
See you :)
<olaf_h>
sure
<Regenaxer>
I will go too
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