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<razzy> Hi all, when do PilCon starts? how do i subscribe to mailing list? Thank you.
<Regenaxer> Hi razzy! PilCon starts today at 16:00 UTC
<Regenaxer> For the list, send a mail to mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Subscribe
<Regenaxer> razzy: Seems you subscribed :)
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<beneroth> Hey razzy :)
<Regenaxer> razzy is not very responsive ;)
<Regenaxer> hi beneroth!
<beneroth> Hi Regenaxer :)
<Regenaxer> Some people ask something and then drop off, so you never know if your invested time was in vainor not
<beneroth> yeah that is bloody rude
<Regenaxer> true, but common unfortunately
<beneroth> they probably were not socialized in IRC of 20+ years ago
<Regenaxer> looks like
<beneroth> or I just lived in a even smaller bubble then I thought :)
<Regenaxer> :)
<beneroth> I find respect for others livetime is one of the core social hacker valuer
<Regenaxer> yes, for all kinds of communication, not just IRC
<beneroth> most of our standards are open (RFC), many books are free & open, and most top-shots of our profession are available for email or nice chat (if one doesn't waste their lifetime)
<beneroth> thats very different to most other fields
<Regenaxer> yep
<razzy> Hi beneroth. Regenaxer I subscribed :] . I value time of others :]
<Regenaxer> Perfect! :)
<Regenaxer> I thought it is you who subscribed
<beneroth> pilCon is 1800 CET?
<Regenaxer> Yes
<beneroth> hey razzy :) welcome back to the ML
<razzy> ML machine life?
<beneroth> mailing list
<beneroth> you right, in common usage its machine learning
<beneroth> overused abbreviations
<beneroth> Regenaxer, I just realized my problems with math is that they primarily use your coding style :D too many single-char variables always meaning something different :P
<Regenaxer> hehe, that's true :)
<beneroth> your style is better, sometimes you spend more chars :D
<Regenaxer> Though I usually try to keep some consistency
<beneroth> T, absolutely
<Regenaxer> Naming is a big task
<beneroth> one of the top 3 problems
<beneroth> hm.. estimation should be taken into that list
<Regenaxer> besides one-off
<beneroth> T
<Regenaxer> off-by-one to be exact
<Regenaxer> You mean estimation of memory and time usage?
<beneroth> no, project estimations
<beneroth> well ok, not an IT problem to be exact
<Regenaxer> yes, I think it is impossible
<beneroth> it is
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<Regenaxer> Oops, seems there is a bug in 'till'
<razzy> bug or feature?
<Regenaxer> Bug
<Regenaxer> does not correctly read UTF-8
<Regenaxer> Fixed now
<Regenaxer> Released
<tankf33der> All passed.
<Regenaxer> Thanks!
<Regenaxer> The bug shows if (till <c> NIL) reads an UTF-8 in between
<Regenaxer> then only the first byte of UTF-8 chars is listed
<Regenaxer> (or: was)
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<beneroth> Regenaxer, only pil21, right?
<Regenaxer> yes
<beneroth> ty
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<f8l> Regarding abbreviations overuse, I guess that the surge in machine learning popularity made finding jobs requiring knowledge of ML (the programming language) harder.
<f8l> By the way, if treating IRC as an asynchronous means of communication is considered undesirable here, please let me know.
<Regenaxer> Asynchronous is fine, we all do
<Regenaxer> No matter if an answer appears later (just it should appear at all)
<beneroth> T
<Regenaxer> I'm still hearing Eric Normand's postcast from time to time. He talks about Alan Kay and whatnot. And most of the time I feel that PicoLisp got it all right :)
<Regenaxer> Fexprs, inheritance, late binding
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<beneroth> Regenaxer, T, same
<Regenaxer> :)
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<beneroth> I recently heard the one about stratified design, that was excellent. and nicely explained (I find him a bit slow, but I guess that is fully on purpose and meaningful)
<Regenaxer> yeah, ok I think
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<beneroth> stratified design is exactly what big complex systems require to become maintainable (in my view). And Lisp is the best for that because of the DSL/code-is-data feature.
<Regenaxer> Today I heard the long one about history of Smalltalk
<beneroth> link?
<Regenaxer> Shortly after the stratified one
<beneroth> did you find a way to download btw? I've always trouble with the non-youtube podcast just stopping without any reason (and resetting), and the youtube one has all the youtube-problems of course...
<beneroth> ok
<beneroth> I find it interesting that his reading of software papers shows (as many other sources, if one looks) that basically Software as a field is mostly stagnating, and (as often said) Academia is (was since 60s) decades ahead of industry practice
<Regenaxer> I use AntennaPod
<beneroth> I use VLC. I want to use download + filebrowser + vlc.
<Regenaxer> ok, hurry for PilCon!
<beneroth> im online in jitsi :)
<Regenaxer> :)
<Regenaxer> see you!
<beneroth> @all: pilcon https://meeting.itship.ch/PilCon
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