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03:12
<
Wardrop >
Is there a nice way in Ruby to check if a string is an integer, without using Regex? Like as a pre-condition for Integer("5").
03:12
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erikh >
so, Integer("5") will raise if it's not an integer
03:13
<
erikh >
>> Integer("HERP")
03:13
<
Wardrop >
Yep, an argument error
03:13
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erikh >
so, is there some reason you can't use that?
03:13
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erikh >
>> if (Integer("foo") rescue nil); true; else false; end
03:13
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Wardrop >
Well, it's pretty verbose: begin; int = Integer(str); rescue ArgumentError; end
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erikh >
if you want the long form, make a method
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erikh >
you could also use String#to_i, but that would yield 0 for both 0 and invalid stuff ala atoi()
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Wardrop >
I'm going to raise an issue for this. There really should be a built-in is_numeric? or is_integer? method.
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freedrull >
if you have to check the class of something, that's kind of a smell don't you think
03:25
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erikh >
>> def to_integer(a); return Integer(a) rescue nil; end; [to_integer(1), to_integer("a")]
03:25
<
erikh >
I'm not sure it needs to exist
03:25
<
erikh >
activesupport probably has something
03:25
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erikh >
but then .. you have activesupport
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whitequark >
Wardrop: easiest way is /\A\d+\z/
03:29
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whitequark >
>> Integer("0x20")
03:29
<
whitequark >
oh, no, Integer is more clever than that and can recognize hexadecimal and octal and probably binary
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whitequark >
>> "0x20".to_i
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whitequark >
to_i cannot.
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Wardrop >
@freedfull We're not checking Class, but rather whether coercion to a particular class is safe. Even then, checking for Class in Ruby isn't an automatic code smell. I do it all the time for Hash, if for example I rely on the behaviour of hash, and not just a random method like #each. If you have a class that's completely compatible with Hash and expect it to be treated as fully compartible, it should inherit from Hash in my opinion.
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Wardrop >
freedrull: That was at you
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freedrull >
Wardrop: fair enough :)]
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erikh >
whitequark: #to_i takes an argument
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<
erikh >
>> "0x20".to_i(16)
06:12
<
erikh >
it's not as smart as it will figure it out for you, but it has all the bits necessary
06:12
<
erikh >
(that's a pun, for what it's worth)
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Newbie0086 >
Invalid gemspec in [/var/lib/gems/1.9.1/specifications/ZenTest-4.9.2.gemspec]: Illformed requirement ["< 2.1, >= 1.8"]
06:23
<
hackeron >
is there a ruby way to check how full a filesystem is in percentage? - I mean without parsing the output of df or anything like that
06:23
<
Newbie0086 >
can someone tell me what's wrong
06:24
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wnd >
I'm not sure what's wrong, but iirc updating bundler should help (e.g. "gem install bundler"). happened to be after upgrading rvm.
06:24
<
wnd >
happened to me, even
06:24
<
whitequark >
erikh: oh, that's even more horrible
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whitequark >
imagine the potential for abuse
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erikh >
oh, I've abused .to_i(2) to do bit vectors
06:25
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erikh >
not going to say it was smart, but it was easy
06:25
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erikh >
note that Integer#to_s works the same way
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06:25
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erikh >
>> 32.to_s(2)
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erikh >
Newbie0086: gem env, please?
06:26
<
erikh >
what version of rubygems?
06:27
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erikh >
I just installed it fine on 2.0
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
root@kali:~# gem env
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
Invalid gemspec in [/var/lib/gems/1.9.1/specifications/ZenTest-4.9.2.gemspec]: Illformed requirement ["< 2.1, >= 1.8"]
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- RUBYGEMS VERSION: 1.8.23
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
RubyGems Environment:
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- RUBY VERSION: 1.9.3 (2012-04-20 patchlevel 194) [x86_64-linux]
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- INSTALLATION DIRECTORY: /var/lib/gems/1.9.1
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- RUBY EXECUTABLE: /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1
06:27
<
whitequark >
erikh: no, not that kind of abuse
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- EXECUTABLE DIRECTORY: /usr/local/bin
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- RUBYGEMS PLATFORMS:
06:27
<
whitequark >
Newbie0086: please, use pastebin
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- ruby
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- x86_64-linux
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- GEM PATHS:
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- /var/lib/gems/1.9.1
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- /root/.gem/ruby/1.9.1
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- /usr/share/rubygems-integration/1.9.1
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- GEM CONFIGURATION:
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<
Newbie0086 >
- :update_sources => true
06:27
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erikh >
Newbie0086: don't do that, please.
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<
Newbie0086 >
- :verbose => true
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- :benchmark => false
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- :backtrace => false
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- :bulk_threshold => 1000
06:27
* erikh
taps his foot
06:27
<
Newbie0086 >
- REMOTE SOURCES:
06:28
<
Newbie0086 >
wait ,my poor English....
06:28
<
whitequark >
erikh: he was shaped by freenode
06:28
<
erikh >
Newbie0086: please do not paste so much content into the channel
06:28
<
erikh >
whitequark: nobody on freenode tolerates that
06:28
<
whitequark >
erikh: sure. it's just that he could not stop
06:28
<
Newbie0086 >
so sorry
06:28
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erikh >
whitequark: seems like there was a communication issue
06:29
<
Newbie0086 >
ok....
06:29
<
whitequark >
erikh: ok. by abuse I meant slipping data past the radar...
06:29
<
erikh >
Newbie0086: so, I notice you're not using a source @ rubygems.org ?
06:29
<
Newbie0086 >
u know the website cannot visit in china
06:30
<
whitequark >
erikh: it's good that it does not "helpfully" detect the base by itself. but I can well imagine a case where this leads to a security hole
06:30
<
erikh >
whitequark: one sec.
06:30
<
erikh >
Newbie0086: so, I've installed it here just fine. I'm going to guess something else is up.
06:30
<
erikh >
try this at your shell: gem pristine
06:31
<
erikh >
do not paste the output here :P
06:31
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erikh >
whitequark: hmm. I'm not seeing it
06:31
<
erikh >
I could see data getting "weird"
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<
Newbie0086 >
erikh how can i solve the problem
06:32
<
erikh >
Newbie0086: 'gem pristine'
06:32
<
whitequark >
erikh: the idea is that #to_i doesn't follow its contract
06:32
<
whitequark >
erikh: the documentation does not describe the 0x-munging part!
06:32
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erikh >
whitequark: it's atoi and friends
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erikh >
whitequark: well, with all respect to zzak
06:33
<
erikh >
a decade ago you RTFS
06:33
<
erikh >
because documentation was a f'n joke
06:33
<
whitequark >
erikh: no, it isn't. atoi does not exist in rubyland. overwhelming majority of ruby programmers are not even aware of atoi's existence.
06:33
<
erikh >
whitequark: atoi exists in to_i
06:33
<
erikh >
I'm pretty sure the C just calls it for the base 10 case
06:34
<
whitequark >
erikh: it's an irrelevant implementation detail, which, if what you're saying is true, is leaking into ruby-land and causing a bug.
06:34
<
erikh >
it behaves
*exactly* like atoi
06:34
<
whitequark >
lemme check
06:34
<
erikh >
I'm not saying you're inherently wrong
06:34
<
erikh >
but it is the way things are and have been
06:34
<
erikh >
if you want proper integer handling, you use Integer()
06:35
<
whitequark >
erikh: want me to parse all rubygems sources for you and count the to_i's/Integer's?
06:35
<
whitequark >
also no, it isn't atoi.
06:35
<
erikh >
rb_str_to_inum
06:35
<
whitequark >
which has several pages of logic dedicated to splitting out base
06:36
<
whitequark >
erikh: bignum, so? it makes sense; you don't know how long the number is
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<
whitequark >
also, it's full of goto's... I've no idea what it actually does
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erikh >
it's also indented with classic MRI tabs and spaces
06:37
<
erikh >
going to a corner to cry now
06:37
<
whitequark >
ohhh right!
06:37
<
whitequark >
you seem to understand wtf is going in mri whitespace
06:37
<
whitequark >
please explain, I want to fix rxr
06:37
<
erikh >
hahahahahahahahhaah
06:37
<
erikh >
hahahahahha
06:38
* erikh
laughs some more
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<
Newbie0086 >
i execute gem pristine --all but the problem also still
06:38
<
erikh >
whitequark: there is no "going on" with mri whitespace
06:38
<
erikh >
there are like 800 committers with different whitespace settings and nobody gives any fucks
06:38
<
erikh >
Newbie0086: hmm. I don't know at this point, I'm sorry
06:39
<
erikh >
maybe try in #rubygems?
06:39
<
whitequark >
siiigh
06:39
<
erikh >
whitequark: yeah. that's the cold truth, man.
06:39
<
Newbie0086 >
erIkh: thanks any
06:39
<
whitequark >
zenspider said me once that rxr's whitespace handling was screwed up
06:39
<
whitequark >
implying that there is a saner way to do it
06:39
<
whitequark >
well, whatever
06:39
<
erikh >
Newbie0086: best of luck. sometimes that happens, but that's not actually a broken requirement, which is what's interesting
06:40
<
erikh >
whitequark: there probably is a way to clean a bit of it up
06:40
<
erikh >
set tabs to two spaces or something
06:40
<
Cremno >
tabs are 8 spaces
06:40
<
erikh >
Cremno: not in a lot of source code
06:40
<
erikh >
the "advantage" of using tabs for everything is that the end-user can tune whitespace settings to how they prefer it.
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<
whitequark >
it still looks like a clusterfuck, but less clusterfuck?
06:41
<
Newbie0086 >
erIkh: haha may reinstall can solve anything
06:41
<
erikh >
whitequark: yeah, that looks better.
06:41
<
whitequark >
that's tab=8 spaces
06:41
<
erikh >
haha really?!
06:41
<
erikh >
I see a lot of 4-space indent in there
06:42
<
whitequark >
maybe it's tab-tab-halftab?
06:42
<
whitequark >
oh right, some editors out there have a "half-tab" setting
06:42
<
erikh >
yeah, my head hurts thinking about all this crap
06:42
<
whitequark >
oh god why do i read string.c
06:42
<
whitequark >
is it a rule that string handling must be completely insane
06:42
<
erikh >
gc.c is special too, but I suspect you know
06:42
<
whitequark >
likely
06:43
<
whitequark >
oh, gc.c
06:43
<
whitequark >
unlike string.c, I don't understand a slightest bit of gc.c, and I do not intend that to change
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<
erikh >
(void *)(0)
06:43
<
whitequark >
so, the damage evades my brain
06:43
<
erikh >
not at the top
06:43
<
erikh >
like 3000 lines in
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<
whitequark >
erikh: hahaha, this is UB
06:43
<
erikh >
in a static global member
06:43
<
whitequark >
anything you can do with that pointer is UB and the compiler can just launch nethack.
06:44
<
erikh >
you'd think something that's going to
*manage memory* would put that at the top of the damned file
06:44
<
whitequark >
erikh: can't find your example
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<
erikh >
it may be gone now
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<
erikh >
it was in 1.8 or 1.9
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<
whitequark >
likely it is gone because some compiler indeed did launch nethack
06:45
<
whitequark >
like, dunno, clang.
06:45
<
whitequark >
do you know what clang did in llvm 3.1 when it detected certain forms of UB?
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<
whitequark >
it has this kind of twisted logic unique only to the C standard
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<
whitequark >
"ok, at the end of this function there's UB... so there is some invariant which I cannot observe which prevents the control from ever reaching the end of this function... so I won't emit any epilogue for it and just let it run into whatever's next in the executable"
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whitequark >
"... without ever notifying the user, of course, because fuck users"
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<
erikh >
yeah, looks like it's been torched
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erikh >
yeah, dunno. been years since I've looked
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<
erikh >
everytime I dig in there I get scared and pee myself
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<
erikh >
if it's not obvious I'm a little cranky tonight
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* whitequark
glares at his C rant above
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hackeron >
anyone knows how do I get the total number of megabytes on the filesystem with sys-filesystem?
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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<
Lennier >
hi, is it possible to use nokogiri gem version 1.6.0 with ruby 1.8.7
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<
kke >
so, foo = String case foo when String ... end do i have to use .to_s because String === String => false ?
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<
kke >
hmm, case foo.object_id when String.object_id .. this bad? :)
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<
erikh >
you could use #object_id
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<
erikh >
I've had to do it a few times
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<
erikh >
it's fast, at least.
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<
kke >
i'm not sure if my design of passing classes as parameters is any good anyways
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kke >
maybe i should have some kind of magical extender that checks the class of target
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<
erikh >
depends on what you're trying to do, really.
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<
yorickpeterse >
whitequark: project suggestion:
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<
yorickpeterse >
bash-parser
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<
yorickpeterse >
because Bash looks really easy to parse
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* yorickpeterse
runs
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<
erikh >
sh should be really easy
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<
erikh >
bash... not so much
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<
yorickpeterse >
Hell, even the # sign has at least 3 meanings
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<
yorickpeterse >
#comment
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<
yorickpeterse >
#!/bin/fuckyou
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<
yorickpeterse >
and ${#some_array[@]}
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<
erikh >
so much more than that.
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<
yorickpeterse >
And I think you can also use it for regexes somewhere
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<
charliesome >
yorickpeterse: #!/bin/fuckyou is a comment
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<
erikh >
${"text"##"bar"}
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yorickpeterse >
charliesome: yes, but it does have a different meaning
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<
charliesome >
yorickpeterse: not in bash
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yorickpeterse >
erikh: ah yes
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<
charliesome >
the kernel gives it its meaning
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<
erikh >
that's why you can run scripts without a shell
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<
yorickpeterse >
also
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<
yorickpeterse >
I like it how `[[ !-f derp ]]` is a syntax error
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<
yorickpeterse >
and how that then fucks up my history
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<
yorickpeterse >
while ! -f derp is valid
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<
erikh >
[[ ]] is a builtin
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charliesome >
i'm pretty sure bash has like no syntax
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<
yorickpeterse >
I know, I'm specifically talking about `!-something` vs `! -something` here
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<
charliesome >
and its all just shelling out
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<
erikh >
use /usr/bin/test or /usr/bin/[ if you want a shell
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<
erikh >
charliesome: nah, bash moves most of it into the shell itself
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<
yorickpeterse >
wait, /usr/bin/[ is a command?
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<
erikh >
that's the big difference between it and traditional bourne shell
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charliesome >
yorickpeterse: on modern systems yes
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<
erikh >
yorickpeterse: you have a copy of ls, don't you?
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<
yorickpeterse >
ha, it is
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<
charliesome >
yorickpeterse: on antique systems, look in /bin/[
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<
yorickpeterse >
wtf
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<
yorickpeterse >
charliesome: I run hipster OS
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<
erikh >
yorickpeterse: should be symlinked to /usr/bin/test
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<
yorickpeterse >
so it's in /usr/bin
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charliesome >
yorickpeterse: which os is that?
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yorickpeterse >
erikh: it's not
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yorickpeterse >
charliesome: Arch linux
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<
charliesome >
yorickpeterse: right on
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<
erikh >
maybe a hard link then
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<
charliesome >
arch is the best server os
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<
erikh >
either way they should be the same size, heh
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<
yorickpeterse >
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 8 May 21 17:50 2to3 -> 2to3-3.3
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<
yorickpeterse >
haha python
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<
erikh >
charliesome: I hope you're kidding
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yorickpeterse >
charliesome: it's fucking shit for servers
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yorickpeterse >
unless you have only a single box to worry about
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erikh >
couldn't imagine managing hundreds of arch machines
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<
erikh >
I'd commit seppuku
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<
erikh >
ubuntu's bad enough
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yorickpeterse >
Manual server updates as a service
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<
erikh >
anyhow -- bash and zsh do most of the heavy shell script lifting internal to the shell
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yorickpeterse >
ubuntu
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<
erikh >
man builtin / man zshbuiltins for more info
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<
erikh >
which is why echo and /usr/bin/echo have different arguments.
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<
yorickpeterse >
I don't use hipstershell
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<
erikh >
hipstershell?
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<
yorickpeterse >
I tried Fish but the autocomplete/colouring actually pissed me off
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<
yorickpeterse >
(zsh)
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<
erikh >
silly wabbit
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<
erikh >
zsh is the emacs of shells.
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<
yorickpeterse >
pretty much
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<
yorickpeterse >
Fish is basically zsh with rainbows
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<
erikh >
either way, for this case they work exactly the same
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charliesome >
erikh, yorickpeterse: i have one server
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<
charliesome >
works fine
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<
erikh >
and both are ksh derivatives
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<
charliesome >
for servers.count > 1 then arch would be a bit crappy
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<
yorickpeterse >
or various other big changes of the past
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<
yorickpeterse >
e.g. the move to systemd
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<
yorickpeterse >
(fuck systemd)
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<
charliesome >
systemd works fine for me
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<
erikh >
systemd is a bad smf
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charliesome >
erikh: its better than initscripts
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<
yorickpeterse >
from a user perspective it's actually better than sysvinit
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<
yorickpeterse >
but fuck the journal
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<
yorickpeterse >
and fuck the service files
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<
erikh >
smf has been solving this problem for close to a decade
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<
charliesome >
from the perspective of someone who just wants a process to start at boot
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<
erikh >
they could have just ported it from solaris.
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<
yorickpeterse >
and fuck the locations where you can save them (hint: at least 3, 4 if user sessions are enabled)
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<
charliesome >
systemd is FAR better than sysvinit
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<
yorickpeterse >
true
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<
yorickpeterse >
fuck update-rc.d
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* yorickpeterse
is writing Bash, go figure
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<
charliesome >
i have never written a working initscript
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<
charliesome >
that shit is too hard
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<
yorickpeterse >
to install Java
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<
yorickpeterse >
which doesn't want to install
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yorickpeterse >
charliesome: shit's easy on debian
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yorickpeterse >
[ERROR] The build could not read 3 projects -> [Help 1]
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<
yorickpeterse >
AJHSDHASDKJ:ASD
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charliesome >
service files are heaps easy
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<
yorickpeterse >
It was my understanding that Maven could install shit
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<
yorickpeterse >
Guess I was wrong
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<
yorickpeterse >
OH YOU HAVE SOME MODULES? SORT IT OUT YOURSELF - Maven
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yorickpeterse >
anyway, back to hating on Maven
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charliesome >
yorickpeterse: that looks far more complicated than a simple little ini file
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yorickpeterse >
for basic stuff systemd config files are a lot easier
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yorickpeterse >
because at least everything is following the same standard
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<
charliesome >
services should have never had to daemonize themselves
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<
yorickpeterse >
...
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<
erikh >
or ported launchd from os x.
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<
erikh >
the NIHness of systemd is just ... off the charts
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<
erikh >
I agree with that
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<
erikh >
but that's not reality
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charliesome >
it's so good to be able to say
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<
erikh >
tracking daemonized pids is a pain in the ass
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charliesome >
"here start this program, when you're shutting down, kill it"
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<
charliesome >
like systemd, start-stop-daemon and friends let you do
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erikh >
you have to basically do some black magic to track it over the double fork
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<
yorickpeterse >
charliesome: except you can now no longer monitor it with a supervisor
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<
erikh >
yorickpeterse: actually it's easier if it doesn't daemonize
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yorickpeterse >
because god knows where systemd keeps the pid files
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<
erikh >
for the reasons I mentioned above
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charliesome >
yorickpeterse: probably in memory
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yorickpeterse >
erikh: assuming you're not using systemd between it, yes
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erikh >
it's just a child process
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<
erikh >
you can do the kill/waitpid dance and call it a day.
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<
yorickpeterse >
monit -> your shit is easier than monit -> systemd -> your shit
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<
erikh >
monit is pretty buggy
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<
yorickpeterse >
oh?
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<
yorickpeterse >
(hint: systemd isn't an actual supervisor in my opinion)
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erikh >
yeah, you can get it to crap out if you hit it with enough commands in a short period of time
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yorickpeterse >
since its resource management system is quite laughable
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charliesome >
hasn't systemd subsumed monit's job by now anyway
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<
erikh >
different problems for different cases really
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yorickpeterse >
Systemd has pretty limited options when it comes to locking down resources
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erikh >
monit's a nice userspace supervisor
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it also can't send notifications as far as I'm aware of
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erikh >
runit is generally more flexible, though
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erikh >
circus looks really interesting
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runit is a "roll your own supervisor"
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erikh >
new mozilla thing
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erikh >
not any moreso than monit if you know how to write shell scripts.
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Interesting enough I always had problems killing runit
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erikh >
that's because it's not supposed to die.
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yorickpeterse >
kill -9 all the things # => starts new shit, YO DAWG
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erikh: it is if you remove it from init and kill everything
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e.g. because it's bugged
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you didn't kill it in the right order
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pretty sure it was operator error.
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Pretty sure that if I kill all the services first (the proper way) and then kill all the runsvdir programs it should die
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yorickpeterse >
Either way
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After 2 years of Runit I kinda got tired of having to do a lot myself
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erikh >
actually, that's backwards.
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erikh >
you kill the runit supervisors first
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yorickpeterse >
but it's one of the few that actually allows you to easily set up user specific services
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if not the only one
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which actually kills the services too but let's not split hairs.
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systemd is a pain here too since it needs a bunch of stuff and up until recently needed a dbus patch
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erikh >
nah, daemontools which it's modeled after
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yorickpeterse >
never used that
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it's pretty old.
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erikh >
Written by a guy named Dan Bernstein
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erikh >
made qmail, and djbdns
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pretty prolific security nut
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i must be crazy to stick to upstart
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does upstart track a double-fork yet/
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it didn't last time I played with it, was a FPITA to work around
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I just avoid upstart for all things ubuntu that it manages itself
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oh, and I forgot: systemd can rotate the binary log for you
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ssh? sure, go ahead ubuntu.
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yorickpeterse >
But surprise! IT DOESN'T
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no, I think it does not track double fork yet. you need to give it some handle
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at least not in my case until I fucked around with the configs for a while
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erikh >
gnufied: bummer.
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erikh >
anyhow; circus. circus is leet shit.
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what is the verdict though? systemd is best?
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erikh >
but you need solaris for it.
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erikh >
launchd is also nice, but isn't exactly going to be on a server anytime soon.
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erikh >
supervisor options worth looking at on linux are runit and monit
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and circus if you have many servers.
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gnufied >
i hated monit. i have used it long back though.
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erikh >
it hasn't changed much
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erikh >
it's horrible for actually monitoring things
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erikh: link to circus plz
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erikh >
but it's pretty good at the whole process management thing.
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yorickpeterse >
really all I care about is "restart this if it goes down" and "put it on resource leash"
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erikh >
yorickpeterse: quorum (paxos) restarts of services
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from groups of servers.
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yorickpeterse >
quarum?
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erikh >
it votes to do rolling restarts
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gnufied >
ha ha, circus reminds me of a library I wrote.
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erikh >
it's for managing big networks.
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gnufied >
the ini format
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erikh: the whole sentence " quorum (paxos) restarts of services " doesn't make sense to me
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basically it's coordinating whole networks of machines to restart services in a safe way
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and manage them of course
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yorickpeterse >
hm, circus looks interesting
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it's something I was working on with my own thing
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erikh >
never got near completion though.
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gnufied: I don't want to spin up a Ruby VM for this stuff
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yorickpeterse >
same reason I don't use God
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erikh >
bluepill is horrible
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also because God is memory hungry, at least used to
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erikh: pffff, tmux already you scrub
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erikh >
and weechat
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so go to hell
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yorickpeterse >
oh, the & wasn't a refernece to background commands?
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yorickpeterse >
* reference
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no, it meant I'm going to bed.
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erikh >
backgrounding myself.
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erikh >
it's something old nerds do to each other.
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don't forget to double fork and make someone else session leader
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gnufied: :P
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haha
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oops, only just seen that hilight
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yorickpeterse >
first world problems: our temp internet is not fast enough to download a 10GB indexes collection in a reasonable amount of time
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yorickpeterse >
first world benefits: this would only take around 15 minutes at home
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relix >
yorickpeterse where are you located right now then?
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or is it just the specific connection you have there, not the general state of infrastructure
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that would probably make more sense
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yorickpeterse >
relix: .nl
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yorickpeterse >
We have temp internet and it's shit
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as in, probably 20mbps or so that's shared with 14 people
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of which all are streaming music and what not
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if I'm lucky I can pull out around 800 kb/sec
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yorickpeterse: 800 kb/sec sounds good
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my connection tops out at 1 MB/s
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Yes, but you live in new Alcatraz
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yorickpeterse >
I live in wannabe-USA
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internet here is generally pretty fast
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yorickpeterse: go to ongoing dreamhack in nearby sweden and complete that download?
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too far away
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why spend a good few hours getting there either by train or plane when I can be home in an hour?
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drbrain: I'm thinking of dropping ntlm support in mechanize unless you have the patience to fix and maintain it?
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darix >
injekt: is moving it into a plugin for bit rot an option?
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darix >
like external gem
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that's a better idea.
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erikh >
ALL THE IDEAS
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jkyle >
I'm looking for a ruby based documentation framework that can handle rst. for those familiar with python tools, I'm looking for the sphinx equiv in ruby world
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whitequark >
rickhull: restructured text
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: (bash) ...
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whitequark >
you know I hate you, right?
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rickhull >
jkyle: ruby is more oriented towards markdown rather than r(e)ST
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rickhull >
the ruby ecosystem, i should say. nothing inherent to the language
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it's those damn ruby programmers that are the problem if ya ask me
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erikh >
yeah, it doesn't look like there's anything
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erikh >
rickhull: beers late in the week? sorry I didn't get back to you this weekend, got the crud
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erikh >
took a day today to recover
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ha, no worries, sure
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I'll probably ping you thursday or so.
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sounds good
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: yush :>
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: hey hey
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whitequark >
let's write parser docs!
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yorickpeterse >
also lol at wifi routers without a wifi password
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yorickpeterse >
and with the router username/pwd being set to user/user
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yorickpeterse >
also yes, we really should
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yorickpeterse >
but it's 22:30 now and I'm on my way home, so not tonight
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yorickpeterse >
still need to start working on a "Migrating from Ripper" guide as well
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yorickpeterse >
also bah, train wifi goes to shit the moment it starts moving
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yorickpeterse >
at least SSH still works, which means I can at least ramble on IRC about it
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whitequark >
there's wifi in moscow underground. theoretically
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whitequark >
it's not connected to any uplink at all
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yorickpeterse >
well then, that was the end of my wifi
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yorickpeterse >
it only works now because we've stopped for a red light
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yxhuvud >
end of wifi sounds like armageddon
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yorickpeterse >
at least I hope it's a red light
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yorickpeterse >
I swear to god if some jackass jumped in front of a train again
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yorickpeterse >
Hm interesting, train guy is leaning out of the door and mumbling stuff on his walkie-talkie
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yorickpeterse >
oh we're moving again, ETA to loss of wifi a few seconds
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yorickpeterse >
haha, apparently people were talking on the track
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rickhull >
caution! do not talk on tracks
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yorickpeterse >
haha
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yorickpeterse >
I meant walking
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yorickpeterse >
damn it
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yorickpeterse >
also wtf, wifi is still here
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yorickpeterse >
lets do some h4x0ring
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rickhull: yeah, the only problem with markdown is it's not suitable for creating documentation other than html
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jkyle: I've had good results generating PDFs via LaTeX from Markdown using Pandoc.
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threedaymonk: I see puppet docs use yard. Looking ot see if I can leverage that.
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joshuawscott: cool enough, but I'll probably wrap doc generation in a makefile or rakefile or whatever. so calling out to rst2html.py isn't a big deal (if I go that route). I use reST for other projects, it's more of a yet another tool aversion
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bah, DO had network issues
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