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<heftig>
well, it's fast on 1.9
<zenspider>
mmmm mentarbation
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<andrewvos>
skinny_much: What's up with your name?
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<whitequark>
today, defining features of scheme (apart from it being lisp), would be tail recursion and using continuations for nonlocal control flow
<whitequark>
well, they still were defining features of scheme back in the day.
<whitequark>
though, it's pretty much settled that scheme's usage of continuations was a dumb idea
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<pipework>
I'm just saying, lua is pretty neat. I like the tables because they make really good sense to me. I like prototypes because I'm fond of them from my first language acquisition in programming.
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<whitequark>
JS?
<pipework>
They're not bad, but they require more discipline and cognizance than class-based crap.
<pipework>
whitequark: Unfortunately.
<whitequark>
if it requires *more* discipline, then it probably is bad
<whitequark>
a good solution is to figure out the good way to use a system, and encourage it
<pipework>
Class based stuff seems to conflate multiple concepts that limit people's learning, imo.
<whitequark>
with syntax, semantics, error checking, etc.
<pipework>
So C is bad because ruby requires less discipline?
<whitequark>
oh, C is exceptionally bad.
<pipework>
Processing must be god.
<whitequark>
in particular, because it requires discipline in places where it is completely irrelevant
<pipework>
Unnecessary perhaps?
<whitequark>
for example, do you know what an expression INT_MAX+1 does in C?
<pipework>
I don't know very much c, so nope.
<whitequark>
I'll spare you googling
<whitequark>
it launches nethack.
<pipework>
Best language feature ever.
<whitequark>
more strictly; according to the standard, signed overflow (and 150 or so other cases) are undefined behavior.
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<whitequark>
sure, there are *some* cases where undefined behavior makes sense
<whitequark>
but mostly, it's just a security hole waiting to appear.
<whitequark>
worst part of it, there could not exist a static analyzer which can point to undefined behavior.
<pipework>
Didn't the author of qmail implement buffer overflow safe c libraries to replace the shitty c ones?
<whitequark>
yes, C strings don't make sense either.
<whitequark>
null pointers, same.
<pipework>
I agree on your point about lua and overloading, but the rest is silly and fun.
<pipework>
That's all over though.
<pipework>
Also, by default 1 indexing. :(
<whitequark>
ugh, 18 reduce/reduce conflicts.
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<whitequark>
ugh, LR(1) happened
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<yorickpeterse>
Puppet - pup-pet 1: Piece of shit that only works when you run it using Webrick
<yorickpeterse>
Run it using Thin? OH HEY BRO, HERE EAT SOME 403 NOT ALLOWED's
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<injekt>
:/
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<dominikh>
so I have #ruby-lang and #ruby in a single window merged. there's usually a wall of text from #ruby and then injekt replying with a smiley to something that was said ages ago in #ruby-lang
<injekt>
:)
<whitequark>
injekt: too quick
<injekt>
Yeah I thought that, but someone migth come in the middle and ruin it
<injekt>
dominikh: so I fucked around with docker last night
<dominikh>
injekt: nuked your server?
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<injekt>
dominikh: Yeah, then I rebuilt it and everything worked
<dominikh>
:D
<dominikh>
sad, man :P
<injekt>
heh
<injekt>
it's pretty nice
<dominikh>
so, how's playing with it
<injekt>
good, wish it was older so there was more docs on it :)
<dominikh>
today I saw a "Docker - 15 tutorials" thing on /r/programming
<injekt>
hah
<dominikh>
was surprised there are so many :D
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<manveru>
docker?
<injekt>
si
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<injekt>
and more specifically this morning, dokku
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<dominikh>
manveru: you know, that hip new linux in a container thingy for deployments
<manveru>
ok, sounded like some osx thingy :)
<injekt>
dominikh: fwiw you can install it on linode
<injekt>
manveru: hah
<injekt>
it does :/
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<injekt>
dominikh: yeah you just gotta tweak config.. so rebuild :D
<dominikh>
duuuh
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<pellis>
hello
<pellis>
any self-published book author here - i'm looking for a good toolkit to use while authoring a ruby mini-book (looked at git-scribe but now looking for more options)
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<whitequark>
eval-in: you dumb bot, there is no such number as 0.3!
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<asahi>
hello, i have a hash element that looks like hash[1][2][3], but is there any way i can do something like x = hash[1][2][3]; x +=1; so that i don't have to repeat the hash[1][2][3] part?