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<Sheco> I'm using thin to start a rails app, but the app uses a custom GEM_PATH, how can I tell thin to add that environment variable?
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<frank_o> Hi, I'm new to Ruby. Instead of doing like puts "Doing something..."; sleep(5); puts "Done", how do I append " done" to the existing puts?
<frank_o> All I got so far is my_str = "Doing something..."; puts my_str; sleep(5); my_str << " done"
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<FiXato> frank_o, use 'print' instead :)
<FiXato> print "blaat"; sleep 3; print "hello"
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<frank_o> FiXato: Ooh, nice!
<frank_o> Thanks a lot
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<FiXato> no problem :)
<zenspider> I'm pleased to announce oedipus_lex, the soon-to-be successor to rexical: https://github.com/seattlerb/oedipus_lex
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<ljarvis> moin
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<maloik_> o/
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<maloik_> friday <3
<maloik_> stands for "french fries" (but the real, belgian version of course)
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<ljarvis> belgian fries?
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<ljarvis> flemmish fries
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<maloik_> it's actually flemish
<maloik_> double m sounds so... lemming
<maloik_> but yes pretty much
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<maloik_> new ruby-lang site is quite nice
<maloik_> I'm happy jason zimdars got involved, the other proposals I'd seen were not exactly masterworks imo
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<maloik_> haha, ljarvis remember that Proc output I was getting a while back ?
<maloik_> in a scope
<ddfreyne> yay belgian fries!
<ddfreyne> Haven't had any in a long time :(
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<jrobeson> i've heard about these belgian fries
<jrobeson> one day i will have one
<maloik_> early october, arrrrcamp
<maloik_> welcome to join us :)
<jrobeson> arrrr!?
<jrobeson> well being that they are belgium fries.. it sounds like this camp thing is in europe
<jrobeson> tis a bit of a walk
<jrobeson> how big is that water thing?
<maloik_> not very big
<maloik_> but take a ship
<maloik_> you'll fit right in
<jrobeson> not very big? hah :)
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<maloik_> We do have a fair few americans coming over (assuming that you are indeed american?)
<ddfreyne> I've been to arrrcamp a few times
<ddfreyne> Before it became a paid conference
<ddfreyne> Because I didn't have moneys.
<ljarvis> maloik_: ahaha
<jrobeson> correct
<jrobeson> that big water thing is 6189.36
<jrobeson> km*
<maloik_> was just going to ask, real units or freedom units
<maloik_> :D
<jrobeson> you folks probably have fancy companies that pay for this stuff right?
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<jrobeson> maloik_, :)
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<maloik_> ljarvis: don't you dare rub it in my face not to use squeel :-(
<jrobeson> i thought it'd be best to present you units in which you are most familiar with
<ljarvis> im not sure that makes a company fancy, it can be an investment
<jrobeson> it's just me here
<ljarvis> maloik_: srsly, you knew it was going that way, I didn't need to do it
<jrobeson> so.. most companies are fancy :)
<maloik_> no way you can deduct conferences from the taxes ?
<jrobeson> just dude and a computer
<jrobeson> sure.. but i doubt it would generate enough return on investment to justify spending the moeny in the first place
<jrobeson> if i had said money
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<ddfreyne> I could go to arrrrcamp next year, maybe.
<jrobeson> if i was gonna go to a conference rubyconf miami would have been cheaper
<maloik_> Well I doubt anyone really gets a noticeable 'return' on a conference
<jrobeson> i'll have to see what happens when i get back to portland.. probably some conferences up there
<maloik_> unless you get customers etc
<ljarvis> i may go again next year with the whole team, we need to pick a team conf
<maloik_> but it's mostly about learning a bit, getting inspired and motivated
<jrobeson> yeah i could use some motivation
<jrobeson> i think i'll start with user groups when i get back to portland
<maloik_> ljarvis: nordic ruby is fantastic for teams as well imo
<maloik_> well for anyone, but it's special if you go with a bunch as it's more like a teambuilding kind of thing thne in their fancy spa :-)
<ljarvis> maloik_: cool thanks, will probably organize it relatively soon
<zenspider> you just missed cascadia ruby in pdx
<jrobeson> damnit
<jrobeson> RUINED
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<jrobeson> zenspider, are you in pdx?
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<gnufied> maloik_: lol
<gnufied> re- the puts
<ddfreyne> I haven't been using Ruby a lot lately though.
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<maloik_> gnufied: I know right :( had us puzzled for some time, though we didn't look into it deeply until yesterday or so
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<maloik_> well, my colleague did
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<jrobeson> ruby is in a weird place now
<maloik_> why is that ?
<gnufied> I can guess what is coming..
<jrobeson> stuff like rubinus x is concerning
<jrobeson> and lots of people ready for new challenges who were stalwarts in the community
<gnufied> nope.
<maloik_> I think that's just certain loud people that make you think that ;-)
<gnufied> rubinius was nice and awesome. but if it didn't get anywhere with corporate backing, I doubt rubinius-x will go anywhere
<maloik_> by loud I mean influential, vocal
<jrobeson> i doubt rubinus x will go anywhere either
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<maloik_> check slide check slide 127
<jrobeson> i watched part of that.. the part where they were talking about organization stuff
<maloik_> and the next couple
<maloik_> it's so true
<jrobeson> err he was
<jrobeson> i didn't know they got into the tech stack later
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<jrobeson> i found the organization stuff most interesting
<jrobeson> cool to see how somethign evolves
<maloik_> yea I liked the talk, was interesting to see
<zenspider> jrobeson: no. seattle
<jrobeson> oh seattle .. they got a pretty big group up there
<zenspider> so I hear
<jrobeson> hah
<zenspider> jrobeson: cascadia ruby conf will be back in pdx next year
<zenspider> octoberish
<jrobeson> maloik_, i just watched the life talk.. didn't know where the slides were :(
<jrobeson> on the site where the live talk was hosted.. they wanted me to sign in to view the slides.. i should have looked elsewhere!
<jrobeson> there was one article i still have booked by one of those github folks .. i think it was anarchism
<jrobeson> i wonder where i shoved that off to
<maloik_> check holman's blog, he does a fair few posts on GH's organization
<maloik_> I think it may well have been him
<yorickpeterse> morning
<maloik_> super nice guy too
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<jrobeson> why don't i see slide numbers on speakdeck?
<jrobeson> i guess i've been seeing too many slides on slideshare
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<maloik_> hover the progress bar
<jrobeson> i like how it's easy to just type a number in slideshare :(
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<ddfreyne> slideshare is meh.
<jrobeson> it's really heavy on the resources :(
<jrobeson> i just like how you can type in the slide number in the box..
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<jrobeson> maloik_, when it comes to trendy languages and databases.. i'm not much of a trend follower.. i still get jobs in php even..
<jrobeson> the trendiest thing i use is redis
<mikecmpbll> i wear flares
<jrobeson> i really like redis .. it's fun
<jrobeson> too bad psubscribe still has no timeout :(
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<jrobeson> make me wanna switch over to using pusher or something :(
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<maloik_> I actually found a use for Go for us
<maloik_> but it'll be a while before I find the time to get cracking
<ddfreyne> yay Go!
<ddfreyne> My next project is going to be a Go one :)
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<ljarvis> I enjoy writing go
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<ddfreyne> I've used it in a few personal projects, but this one would be my first professional one.
<jrobeson> there's your trendy languages :)
<jrobeson> hah
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<jrobeson> i know.. rewrite ruby in go..
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<maloik_> ugh d3js is causing me to love and hate it at the same time each time I have to use it
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<mikecmpbll> tbh it doesn't excite me in the slightest
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<chris2> why does ruby parse fp itself?
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<heftig> chris2: fp?
<lupine> floating-point, probably
<lupine> it's a fun little bug. syck doesn't seem vulnerable
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<darix> the topic is majorly outdated
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<yorickpeterse> lol?
<darix> ah no
<darix> the security message is just confusing
<darix> it said prior 43780
<darix> but there are more commits involved it seems
<darix> that one too
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apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Nick registration required to talk || Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<ljarvis> derp
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<ljarvis> i want my xbox to hurry up and arrive
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<tbuehlmann> just to notice it's broken? aw, sorry, jinxd it..
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<ljarvis> :/
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<workmad3> is there an xbox function similar to the ps4 pulsating blue dickpunch of sadness then?
<workmad3> *malfunction
<ljarvis> yeah, but they didn't put any lights on it, so instead you can just call it "fucked"
<workmad3> ah, so with the xbox you get a change of either an xbox one or an xbox brick...
<workmad3> *chance
<ljarvis> yep
<ljarvis> lots of people saying it just makes a grinding noise and wont play games
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<ljarvis> i wonder if console releases will ever be smooth
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<ledestin> MS is famous for this
<ledestin> not Sony
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<darix> ljarvis: i found it more amusing that the so called next gen consoles can only run medium settings compared to the same game on the PC
<darix> and that already on release
<ljarvis> ledestin: lol what?
<ljarvis> ledestin: sony have fucked up the last 2 releases too
<ljarvis> darix: yeah, console gaming will never compete with pc though
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<ljarvis> darix: i think everyone just accepts that
<ledestin> ljarvis: maybe. I was thinking more of problems with them all the way
<darix> ljarvis: i would agree on longterm
<ljarvis> my xbox has been fine for 5 years
<darix> but at release they could add for something higher than medium settings imho
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<ljarvis> darix: you have to download a patch to play ps4 some games at 1080p :D (and the option isn't even available for xbox)
<ledestin> when I researched PS3, one of the factors of choosing it was that 360 too often had rings of death
<ljarvis> ledestin: didn't ps3 have the yellow light of fuck or something? but yeah i know 360's red-ring'ed more often
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<darix> ledestin: after researching consoles i sticked to the PC ;)
<ljarvis> I can't use windows.. so there's that
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<ledestin> ljarvis: maybe. but for xbox, some people were on their 3rd xbox because of problems. prominent.
<ljarvis> i guess i was a lucky one
<darix> ljarvis: let's just hope steam gives linux gaming some momentum
<tbuehlmann> yup
<ljarvis> darix: yeah, the steambox looks interesting too
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<andrewvos> I'm using supervisord to spawn a rails app... Why can't supervisord see my bundle?
<andrewvos> -my
<andrewvos> Wait does supervisord not inherit env variables?
<darix> andrewvos: huh?
<andrewvos> darix: By bundle I meann the bundler bundle command
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<darix> andrewvos: try with full path to bundle
<andrewvos> darix: Ok. Hmm
<andrewvos> darix: Wonder what that'll be
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<darix> andrewvos: you should know your system hm?:p
<andrewvos> hehe
<darix> if you use something like rvm/rbenv there might be something that you can call in your supervisord script before calling bundler
<andrewvos> darix: I'm using docker so it's a bit painful to work that out
<andrewvos> darix: Yeah but then I'm installing extra shit I won't ever need on this box
<darix> andrewvos: i said *if* you are using it
<andrewvos> I know I'm just rationalizing
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<darix> i am sure you can get a console on the docker container
<darix> and look up the path and such
<andrewvos> yep :)
<andrewvos> Doing that now
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<ljarvis> wat
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<mikecmpbll> lol, nice..
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<yorickpeterse> In today's news: having one page show the latest value and a report show an average may or may not be confusing to users
<yorickpeterse> also EditorConfig is pretty baller
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<yorickpeterse> http://downloads.yorickpeterse.com/images/screenshot_221113_15%3a19%3a05.png well, so much for a "quick" release
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<yorickpeterse> clearly we need more Jenkins servers
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<andrewvos> Still installing jenkins yorickpeterse?
<andrewvos> Didn't you start like a year ago ;)
<andrewvos> Senoir Jenkins Configuration Manager
<andrewvos> Senior Jenkins Configuration Manager
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<yorickpeterse> No it's working fine
<yorickpeterse> we're using it
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<maloik_> yorickpeterse: do you use gitlab or github ? or something else
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<yorickpeterse> latter
<yorickpeterse> (github)
<maloik_> k, was gonna ask what you use to build feature branches if it was gitlab
<maloik_> trying to figure out what we're gonna use to do that
<maloik_> mostly a bit of a mess because of configs and databases, so we might switch overto gitlab CI
<yorickpeterse> we don't heavily use feature branches
<maloik_> just need to find the time to grab one of the ops folks to set it up
<maloik_> we've just started to
<maloik_> mostly as a way to review code and to stay up to date on parts of the apps you don't really touch
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<ljarvis> lolgitlab
<ljarvis> gitlolab
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<maloik_> whats wrong with gitlab :(
<maloik_> I love gitlab
<maloik_> if it werent for our 150 repo's I'd use github, but alas...
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<ljarvis> wat
<ljarvis> 150 D:
<ljarvis> surely most of those can go in a fat server in grandma's basement
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<yorickpeterse> maloik_: only 150?
<ljarvis> you guys
<yorickpeterse> 132 for $WORK, 48 for a joint $WORK effort thing
<ljarvis> :|
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<yorickpeterse> we had more than that actually
<yorickpeterse> but I moved some to a repo called "graveyard" since they were no longer maintained/used
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<yorickpeterse> 7 repos there left to die
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<maloik_> yorickpeterse: so how much do you pay github ?
<maloik_> thats crazy expensive isnt it ?
<yorickpeterse> we're on the 450 USD plan
<gnufied> well
<maloik_> lol the top number on the pricing page is 125
<maloik_> at 200 per months
<maloik_> month
<yorickpeterse> The other plan is the 200 USD one, but that's funded by the EU I believe
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<maloik_> definately saves us money to use gitlab then
<yorickpeterse> (EU project)
<yorickpeterse> eh, neg
<maloik_> ??
<yorickpeterse> you'd be hosting it yourself, you'd have to pay for the servers, the people, maintenance, etc
<maloik_> we're a hosting company
<yorickpeterse> ah
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<maloik_> ;-)
<yorickpeterse> Yeah in that case it would probs be cheaper
<maloik_> I get that in your case it's probably not worth it
<maloik_> for us it's nearly a nobrainer
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<yorickpeterse> which reminds me, I still need to blag about our Jemkins
<yorickpeterse> and I still need to set up a $WORK blag to begin with
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<mikecmpbll> we just use git and a VPS ..
<maloik_> we used to do that (actually it had gitorous) but it was crap
<maloik_> having gitlab is a major advantage
<maloik_> it's so pretty! :D
<mikecmpbll> lol :`
<mikecmpbll> never needed anything fancier.
<maloik_> seriously though, I love having the webinterface, especially for things like issues and merge requests
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<yorickpeterse> gitorious is nice for small sizes
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<darix> yorickpeterse: was nice
<darix> i highly doubt it will see much more development
<darix> and simple things like accepting pull requests are still pita with it
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<yorickpeterse> well yeah, I'm talking about maybe 5 repositories
<yorickpeterse> 1-2 devs
<maloik_> well if you have 5 you may as well use a github micro account
<maloik_> then it's definately not worth it ;)
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<yorickpeterse> beer
<yorickpeterse> fak
<yorickpeterse> * beer 'o block
<yorickpeterse> FSALDKAS:DLKASD
<yorickpeterse> clock
* yorickpeterse hasn't had beer yet
* |jemc| also hasn't had beer yet because he's only now arrived at work
* |jemc| has to at least wait until lunch break
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<onewheelskyward> http://isitbeeroclock.com/
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<|jemc|> my mistake
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<onewheelskyward> :D
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* yorickpeterse then tried to convince people he's never been drunk
<yorickpeterse> *ever*
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<hahuang65> Are there alternative ways to get an instance variable other than instance_variable_get?
<drbrain> eval
<MrZYX> maybe, depends on your usecase. What's wrong with instance_variable_get?
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<hahuang65> MrZYX: fucking Mongoid causes a query when I do instance_variable_get on a isntance variable named after a relationship
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<hahuang65> MrZYX: say Site has_many Users and User belongs to Site.
<hahuang65> when I do site.users, I would expect a query, but not when I do site.instance_variable_get("@users")
<MrZYX> ugh, it overrides instance_variable_get? bummer
<hahuang65> MrZYX: isn't that fuckin retarde?
<MrZYX> yeah
<hahuang65> do you know any other way to access an instance variable
<MrZYX> so you Own the Site class?
<hahuang65> MrZYX: what do you mean "you own the site class"?
<MrZYX> just add a getter: def users_instance_variable; @users; end
<MrZYX> are you able/allowed to add methods to its definition
<hahuang65> MrZYX: yeah
<hahuang65> MrZYX: oh, -___- LOL lemme try that
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<hahuang65> MrZYX: fuckin hell, that still calls the query lol
<MrZYX> hm
<MrZYX> are you really sure you're not triggering the query somewhere else?
<MrZYX> afaik you can't hook methods into instance variable calls
<hahuang65> oh god
<hahuang65> apparently the instance variable
<hahuang65> is a Criteria object that is lazily evaluated
<hahuang65> that's why
<hahuang65> fuckers
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<Mon_Ouie> You're trying to break the abstraction provided by the class you're using, things are bound to go wrong
<Mon_Ouie> Check if the library you're using provides a lower level API instead
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<matti> Mon_Ouie: <3
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<yorickpeterse> Any Vimmers here that ever used Vundle?
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<Mon_Ouie> 'alut matti
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<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/tpope/vim-fugitive what the, 403?
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<yorickpeterse> that's somewhat...ironic
<yorickpeterse> huh, but in Chrome's pr0n mode it does work
<mistym> It works for me in in Firefox, not getting a 403
<yorickpeterse> oh neat, and it fails to retrieve the latest commit for my dotfiles too
<yorickpeterse> I think Github is borken
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<r0bgleeson> Mon_Ouie salut
<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse I'm getting that too
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<Mon_Ouie> Hi robanister
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<r0bgleeson> hehehe
<r0bgleeson> we're in the airport
<r0bgleeson> flying home, yesssssh
<yorickpeterse> r0bgleeson: hmm
<yorickpeterse> seems to be working now
<r0bgleeson> i got it randomly on a number of diff pages
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<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse how's the weather in holland? cold?
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<yorickpeterse> Hilversum/NL: Overcast | Temperature: 40.3F/4.6C | Humidity: 79% | Wind: Calm
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<yorickpeterse> so typical Dutch for the time of the year
<r0bgleeson> not too terrible
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<drbrain> woo, preview2 is on its way!
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<havenwood> nice, FRIDAY & PREVIEW2 \o/
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<hahuang65> anyone know how to get the results of the accepts_nested_attributes objects that were created as opposed to what was already in the relationship?
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<cschneid> Is there an example of the heap overflow out in the wild yet? I want to block nasty looking stuff at the firewall while getting a reasonable upgrade story going for our many servers.
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<drbrain> cschneid: no example that I've heard of
<kith> whats the best way to only spawn as many processes as i have cores?
<cschneid> typically those land in a day or two on metasplit & friends right?
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<drbrain> cschneid: it's possible someone is working on one now
<kith> when i iterate through an array and spawn a process for each element?
<drbrain> cschneid: but AFAIK, only the DoS is known
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<cschneid> ok, so perhaps DoS for now, with a reasonable chance of it being upgraded to code execution later on
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<drbrain> cschneid: that's my understanding
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