#ruby-lang on 2013-11-23 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-11-22 18:08 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks

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01:58 <|jemc|> here's an interesting question

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01:58 <|jemc|> I can def the [] method in an object to take more than one argument

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01:58 <|jemc|> and call it with: obj[1,2,3]

01:58 <|jemc|> I can also define it to accept keyword arguments

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01:59 <|jemc|> and call it with obj[1,2,3,foo:4]

01:59 <|jemc|> but is there any syntactical to provide an inline block to this method call?

01:59 <|jemc|> <academic curiosity>

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02:02 <seanlinsley> |jemc|: you can't pass an inline block, but you can pass a block with the ampersand notation

02:03 <seanlinsley> obj[1,2,3,&->{999}]

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02:03 <|jemc|> yeah, that's all I've been able to do so far

02:04 <|jemc|> oh that's nicer than what I what I was doing

02:04 <|jemc|> forgot about the stabby notation

02:05 <|jemc|> I thought I was limited to pr=proc{999}; obj[1,2,3,&pr]

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02:05 <|jemc|> thanks for indluging me, seanlinsley :P

02:05 <seanlinsley> not at all :]

02:06 <seanlinsley> I've been wondering that myself

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02:25 <rondale_sc> What is the proper way to notify people of a ruby exploit?

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03:10 <drbrain> Raycaster: email the gem author

03:10 <drbrain> Raycaster: gem spec foo email

03:12 <drbrain> tab completion ☹

03:12 <nhmood> where does ruby print to by default on windows?

03:12 <nhmood> STDOUT returns nil

03:12 <drbrain> $stdout

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04:03 <hell_razer> he, is anyone uses gem god?

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05:55 <maek> would someone mind explaining this ruby koan to me please https://github.com/neo/ruby_koans/blob/master/src/about_symbols.rb#L37 Is RubyConstant being used? in test_constants_become_symbols?

05:56 <akerl> It's showing you that a constant is sekritly a symbol

05:56 <maek> so this Symbol.all_symbols is magic

05:56 <maek> or rather lifting the skirt?

05:56 <akerl> It's pretty much what it sounds like

05:56 <maek> akerl: Thanks also :D

05:57 <maek> so I set that constant

05:57 <akerl> It s a list of all the symbols currently in existence

05:57 <maek> and its showing that the constant is actually a symbol

05:57 <akerl> Yup

05:57 <maek> but its the actual constant RubyConstant vs the string it contains

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06:03 <maek> akerl: thanks

06:03 <jake-objc> Anyone have experience with windows packaging? I've been wrestling with releasy, rubyscript2exe, etc, without much luck. My script relies on gems with native extensions, and I need to bundle DLLs for dnssd, imagemagick

06:03 <|jemc|> I've heard about but not used orca

06:03 <jake-objc> I think releasy uses orca under the hood

06:04 <|jemc|> (I don't really do anything on windows anymore, but was considering making an orca script for a friend)

06:04 <maek> jake-objc: https://github.com/opscode/omnibus-ruby

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06:05 <A124> jake-objc: I used rubyscript2exe in past, now I changed to Orca with success

06:05 <jake-objc> thanks! new to me, and has commits newer than a year ago

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06:05 <jake-objc> maybe I'll try Orca directly

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08:15 <slash_bro> win 3

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12:55 <metus_violarium> Hello, I'm not good at ruby and because of this I need an advice. I made a ruby script for adding ssh-keys automatically in KDE environment (openSUSE). The sh script on their site is not really useful, if you have a lot of keys. But I think, mine is too complicated. Can anybody look at it and tell own opinion? https://gist.github.com/violarium/7614275

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13:10 <MrZYX> metus_violarium: first of all make sure to also exclude stuff like config

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13:16 <MrZYX> then I'd filter the glob result: Dir[..].reject {|f| exclude.include?(File.basename(f)) }.select {|f| File.file?(f) }.each do |f|

13:17 <MrZYX> and actually that matches your key_files already, so key_files = Dir[..].reject { .. }.select { .. }

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13:18 <MrZYX> metus_violarium: in general, exceptions are not there for flow control, they should be as rare as possible

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13:22 <metus_violarium> MrZYX: thank you a lot

13:24 <MrZYX> so something like http://paste.mrzyx.de/pc4861fd6/

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13:25 <metus_violarium> MrZYX: oh, it looks much more beautiful

13:26 <MrZYX> (forgot a } in line 4)

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13:29 <metus_violarium> MrZYX: I already fixed it, thank you a lot

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14:48 <maek> when dealing with a string and regex what does this mean "test string"[/some pattern/] in terms of ruby terms? is [/pattern/] a method of String?

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14:49 <maek> I dont understand how the syntax is working/doing. thanks.

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14:50 <apeiros> maek: yes, [] is a method

14:50 <maek> I get that /pattern/ is the regex but what is the []? an array of patterns?

14:51 <apeiros> "foo"[…] is invoking String#[]

14:51 <apeiros> and the regex is its argument

14:51 <maek> apeiros: thank you

14:51 <maek> ill read on String#[]

14:51 <apeiros> similar to how some_array[1,2] calls Array#[] with 1 and 2 as its two arguments

14:51 <maek> and when using Class#method # is indicating its a class method?

14:52 <apeiros> instance method

14:52 <maek> just the opposite of what I thought. ok thanks

14:52 <apeiros> Classname#methodname means "instance method `methodname` of class `Classname`"

14:52 <apeiros> Classname::methodname means "class method `methodname` of class `Classname`"

14:52 <apeiros> you're welcome

14:52 <maek> helpful, thank you.

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14:55 <maek> apeiros: Oh so, String#[] is accessing the string it self as an array and like "foo"[1] = "o" this is just passing in a regex pattern to determing what elements of the "array" to get

14:55 <apeiros> maek: no

14:55 <apeiros> [] is an ordinary method

14:55 <apeiros> just looks slightly different

14:56 <apeiros> it provides access to the strings characters similar to how Array#[] provides access to its elements

14:56 <maek> ok

14:57 <apeiros> but it's just an ordinary method. you can call it as "foo".[](1,2) too. "foo"[1,2] is just syntax sugar.

14:57 <apeiros> like 1 + 2 is syntax sugar for 1.+(2)

14:57 <maek> so that explanation is somewhat correct but its just acting like an array but is not actually an array.

14:57 <apeiros> yes

14:57 <maek> thank you again. :)

14:57 <apeiros> self within the method will be the string

14:57 <apeiros> (just as with every other method ;-) )

14:58 <maek> the syntax sugar example helps also. appreciate the clarity.

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21:37 <derp> Hello, I am stuck.. I like both ruby and python.. I plan to do web dev.. can you guys give me some pointers?

21:37 <MrZYX> I found rubys webframeworks more enjoyable than pythons, but that's the expected answer if you ask in #ruby-lang ;)

21:38 * apeiros hands derp a coin

21:38 <derp> i understand the biased..

21:38 <apeiros> how to use it: define one side to be ruby, the other to be python. flip the coin. have fun.

21:38 <derp> ruby on rails the only option?

21:38 <MrZYX> no

21:39 <derp> ok

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21:39 <MrZYX> you can write plain Rack apps, sinatra is popular, there's at least a dozen others

21:39 <apeiros> google - still a foreign word for many internet users…

21:39 <derp> I googled smarty i just like to here from you lovely internet users

21:39 <MrZYX> apeiros: shall we try that lmgtfy plugin? :P

21:40 <derp> ffs you elitist hipsters..

21:40 <apeiros> derp: yeah, sure.

21:40 <derp> ruby: hipsters and elitist

21:41 <derp> python: pretty fucking nice so far

21:41 <apeiros> yeah, using google is hipster elitism

21:41 <derp> kthxbai

21:41 <derp> your attidude

21:41 <derp> so go fuck yourself kthxbai

21:41 derp was kicked from #ruby-lang by apeiros [no insults, kthxbai]

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22:44 <nofxx> It's so easy to choose... it's a ugly, green, useless snake vs a refined, handcrafted, faceted jewellery.

22:44 <nofxx> Dunno why ppl don't realize that quickly

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22:51 <atmosx> nofxx: you're talking py vs rb?

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23:35 <nofxx> atmosx, yup, heh

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