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<jroes> anyone ever written a gem that needed to depend on a gem that hasn't been pushed, so it needs to depend on a git repo instead? seems like add_dependency() doesn't support that in the gemspec
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<jroes> the issue is basically that the other gem maintainer hasn't pushed a new release out, and I patched their stuff
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<hfp> Hi guys! Is this me or this piece of code makes no sense? http://pastebin.com/UncuBh7w
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<mistym> hfp: It yields once to the block, so it makes sense that it would be executed once
<hfp> mistym: Yes but I mean it makes no sense to write it like that, right?
<mistym> hfp: Oh. Yes.
<hfp> mistym: This is suppose to explain me the concept of proc vs blocks... I'm still confused.
<hfp> supposed*
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<whitequark> procs and blocks are basically the same thing.
<whitequark> def Proc.new(&block) block end
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<whitequark> you could implement it like that.
<hfp> hmmm
<mistym> whitequark: Now I want Ruby 2.1 to see what that's actually defined as
<whitequark> uh, you need 2.1 for that?
<whitequark> which is exactly what I wrote, but in C.
<mistym> Right, I guess I've never seen the def keyword used for anything other than a method.
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<whitequark> it's a singleton def
<whitequark> >
<whitequark> >> Object.new.tap { |o| def o.foo; 1; end }.foo
<eval-in> whitequark => 1 (https://eval.in/56637)
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<hfp> I'm lost... It says "you can also convert symbols to procs using that handy little &". Now, why would I want to do that??
<whitequark> >> [1,2,3].map(&:to_s)
<eval-in> whitequark => ["1", "2", "3"] (https://eval.in/56641)
<whitequark> handy.
<hfp> >> foo = [1,2,3]; foo.map.to_i!
<eval-in> hfp => undefined method `to_i!' for #<Enumerator: [1, 2, 3]:map> (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/56642)
<hfp> Ah...
<hfp> >> foo = [1,2,3]; foo.map.to_s!
<eval-in> hfp => undefined method `to_s!' for #<Enumerator: [1, 2, 3]:map> (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/56644)
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<hfp> >> foo = [1, 2, 3]; foo.map { |x| x.to_s }
<eval-in> hfp => ["1", "2", "3"] (https://eval.in/56647)
<hfp> whitequark; Ok so this ^ would be equivalent to what you wrote
<hfp> It just makes it more concise and cleaner to write it the way you did. Am I missing the point?
<whitequark> you're right
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<hfp> Ok. Why did my second eval fail? I don't understand when you can stack methods one after another and when you can't. Could anyone clarify please?
<hfp> For instance, this works:
<hfp> >> foo = "bAr"; foo.upcase.downcase
<eval-in> hfp => "bar" (https://eval.in/56649)
<hfp> Are there "families" of methods that are compatible and others incompatible?
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<banister`sleep> hfp it's related to the receiver
<banister`sleep> hfp you gradually learn what methods a class supports
<banister`sleep> hfp check out things like String and Enumerable and Array though
<banister`sleep> to get a basic sense of the most important core classes
<hfp> banister`sleep: ok, thanks
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<hfp> Thanks for your help tonight, I have to get some sleep now.
<hfp> Good night all!
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<Seanny123> Hey
<Seanny123> I have a quick Ruby question. Is anyone around?
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<nirix> eh
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<oddmunds> Seanny123: ask away
<Seanny123> Thanks. I just found an article that I think is letting me help myself.
<Seanny123> Took me awhile to think of the vocab to Google... I'm having one of those days...
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<oddmunds> ok. next time you don
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<oddmunds> don't need to wait for anyone to be around, just ask your question
<Seanny123> Will do.
<Seanny123> I'm having problems with code blocks.
<Seanny123> I've never used a language that had them before, so I'm getting stuck with vocab
<Seanny123> Here is my code and desired output
<Seanny123> I guess I want to return a value from a yield?
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<whitequark> Seanny123: http://pastie.org/8423426
<whitequark> also, use two spaces for indenting.
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<Seanny123> So I just have to make sure my block variable is declared at the end of my block. There's no more elegant way of doing this?
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<whitequark> Seanny123: no, it's not about declaration
<whitequark> the value of the last expression in the block is implicitly returned
<whitequark> you could write, for example, 1 + 2 there.
<whitequark> puts returns nil
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<Seanny123> Thanks. I get it now.
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<Silex> is ruby 2.0 particularly slow compared to 1.9.3? gem install rails is taking forever
<yorickpeterse> No, it should be faster at the very least
<Silex> Weird. Maybe network issue or smth
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<maloik> oh god IBAN validations are weird
<maloik> took me forever to figure this out
<apeiros> maloik: gem install iso-iban
<maloik> yea it's gotta be javascript
<maloik> I was stripping the script I found from everything I don't need
<maloik> but it's written a bit... strange
<apeiros> oh, wow, 0.0.3's ISO::IBAN.valid? is broken :(
<apeiros> gotta fugbix
<maloik> does it have tests ?
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<apeiros> yes
<maloik> great
<maloik> might take a look then (unless you're actually doing that now ?)
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<apeiros> obviously I either have <100% coverage or I omitted to run them before release 0:-)
<apeiros> doing it
<apeiros> should be a small bug
<maloik> oh that's your gem :-)
<maloik> cool
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<apeiros> zenspider: why the heck does `require 'test/unit'` emit a warning "you should require 'minitest/autorun' instead."? (hint: no, I don't want to require minitest/autorun…)
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<apeiros> hrm, more broken… updating minitest… maybe it's known and resolved
<apeiros> nope - nothing to update…
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<apeiros> wtf? zenspider, installing minitest breaks test/unit in ruby 2.0-p247
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<apeiros> submitted an issue on github. uninstalling minitest helps for now.
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<apeiros> maloik: interesting, the bug occurs when the input is wildly invalid
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<maloik> lol :)
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<maloik> going to implement after lunch, I hope
<maloik> having one of 'those' days
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<apeiros> bug is fixed
<apeiros> the bug happened when the iban was shorter than 5 characters
<apeiros> parts of the validation already required "long enough" input in order to work
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<apeiros> maloik: published. iso-iban 0.0.4 now works with 'foo' as iban input too :)
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<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/heroku/hk lol
<yorickpeterse> what's next, EngineYard moving over to Go?
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<blowmage> apeiros: test/unit on ruby 1.9+ is built on top of minitest 4, and you probably installed minitest 5, which has a slightly different api and emits warnings when using the old api
<apeiros> blowmage: not just probably. I did install minitest 5
<apeiros> blowmage: if it was just warnings, ok - but it breaks.
<apeiros> it raises an exception. see https://github.com/seattlerb/minitest/issues/358
<apeiros> (technically I did not install minitest 5 - it must have been a dependency on some other gem I installed)
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<maloik> fml
<maloik> todo1: 'add validation for X'
<maloik> todo2: 'add validation for X, Y, Z'
<maloik> todo3: 'remove Y'
<maloik> I need to learn to read ahead
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<blowmage> apeiros: looks like test/unit is abusing the internals of minitest, which changed with minitest 5
<blowmage> i hear ruby 2.1's version of test unit won't be built on minitest
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<apeiros> blowmage: ok. but I fear even if stdlib is in the wrong, the party which has to provide a fix is seattlerb…
<blowmage> apeiros: you might look at upgrading test-unit as well: https://github.com/test-unit/test-unit
<blowmage> apeiros: or you could set a dependency on minitest 4 in your gemfile, to make it explicit
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<apeiros> blowmage: while installing the test-unit gem removes the exception, it also breaks the behavior of test/unit.
<blowmage> what behavior is changed?
<apeiros> and if a change to minitest breaks stdlib, which can be fixed by installing an updated version of the stdlib as a gem, then IMO it belongs into minitest as a dependency.
<apeiros> blowmage: I can only tell the result right now - my testsuite no longer outputs anything.
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<apeiros> and since I'll be on a high-pressure project for at least another 2 weeks, I'll not really have time to investigate
<apeiros> blowmage: thanks for taking your time btw., much appreciated
<blowmage> i would suggest pinning your project to minitest 4 then
<apeiros> and sorry if I come off rude. while I'm indeed a bit annoyed, it's not intended to be against you.
<blowmage> and i'm pretty sure zenspider would say it't test-unit's fault for mucking with minitest's internals
<blowmage> for instance, i have apps that break if something requires test-unit, because it _changes_ how minitest works
<blowmage> it doesn't subclass and change, it outright monkeypatches and changes minitest
<apeiros> blowmage: sure it's test-units fault. but that doesn't change that he breaks a stdlib by his change.
<apeiros> i.e., it's the finger pointing is not my concern. Observed behavior is that installing minitest breaks stdlib.
<apeiros> -it's
<blowmage> yeah, i see your point, but i don't think restricting change is appropriate either. its a rough spot. should be better in ruby 2.1 afaik
<apeiros> blowmage: "should be better in 2.1" doesn't help any 2.0 or 1.9 user.
<apeiros> and reality is that people will use 2.0 and 1.9
<blowmage> so pin a dependency on minitest 4.7 in your project
<apeiros> so I have to add a dependency for something I don't even use… it's a workaround. but it's not good.
<blowmage> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<apeiros> and the dependency is insufficient. I'll have to activate the 4.7 minitest gem too.
<apeiros> (again, even though I'm not even using it)
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<blowmage> apeiros: remote pair?
<apeiros> hm?
<apeiros> I don't follow…
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<blowmage> do you want to remote pair so we can discuss and fix this?
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<apeiros> I would like to, but I can't. I'm already working overhours for this project :(
<apeiros> if the issue is still open at the beginning of december, feel free to ping me. I have already requested 4w of holidays for december… (not sure I'll get the full time, though)
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<maloik> Any style geeks around? What editor settings should you agree on as a team, like soft tabs, tab size, trailing spaces and endofline at end of file? I mean the actual settings, not their values
<yorickpeterse> indentation and line wrapping
<maloik> in these cases I guess 99% of rubyists probably agree, but I'm looking for other settings I may be forgetting about
<yorickpeterse> and naming conventions but that's pretty easy in Ruby land
<workmad3> maloik: 2 space soft tabs, no trailing whitespace, unix EOL
<maloik> what do you mean by indentation and linewrapping ?
<yorickpeterse> http://editorconfig.org/ might be useful
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<yorickpeterse> maloik: tabs vs spaces etc, and line wrapping as in at what char amount a new line should start
<huma> yorickpeterse: hi :) how have you been doing?
<yorickpeterse> huma: hola, good but busy
<huma> yorickpeterse: ruby full time?
<yorickpeterse> maloik: that gray line is set at 80 characters
<yorickpeterse> huma: yup
<huma> cool
<huma> still in nl?
<maloik> yorickpeterse: anything that isn't changed by some editors automatically I dont mind TOO much
<yorickpeterse> huma: yeah
<yorickpeterse> maloik: "changed by some editors"?
<huma> yorickpeterse: rails involved?
<maloik> putting together a little doc for sane settings so that our commit history isnt littered with things like "cleaning out empty lines" or "changes tabs to spaces"
<yorickpeterse> huma: yeah, not really a way around that
<yorickpeterse> maloik: right, then do this:
<huma> right :)
<yorickpeterse> 1) 2 spaces for indentation 2) wrap your lines (or not but then don't complain about it) manually 3) clean up trailing whitespace
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<yorickpeterse> LF vs CRLF is only an issue if you have Windows devs
<huma> yorickpeterse: how's manvi? i haven't heard from him
<yorickpeterse> huma: not sure, I haven't lurked in #ramaze for ages
<yorickpeterse> he's still alive on GH though
<huma> same here. hope he's happy go coding :)
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<yorickpeterse> maloik: http://hastebin.com/weqelovisu.md this is what we have
<yorickpeterse> it's not really strictly enforced
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<yorickpeterse> there's also some language specific stuff
<yorickpeterse> maloik: http://hastebin.com/yuxuwuleqa.md e.g. Ruby
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<huma> yorickpeterse: you do sinatra for middleware?
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<maloik> yorickpeterse: trying to avoid value discussions, even though I agree in this case :)
<yorickpeterse> huma: not at this point
<yorickpeterse> maloik: what would you discuss otherwise?
<maloik> like... if you were to use 3 spaces as a tab in your team, whatever, that's fine... as long as people all use the same
<yorickpeterse> "Indent your code" - yeah no shit
<yorickpeterse> Oh yeah, but that's what that document does
<yorickpeterse> it's written down so people can refer to it
<maloik> that's what I'm doing atm for our team
<yorickpeterse> but at some point you have to set a value and whip people if they don't follow it
<maloik> yea but I'm asking for inspiration about settings, seeing if I missed any
<maloik> idc what value you use :-)
<yorickpeterse> oh right
<yorickpeterse> well, indentation, line endings, wrapping, that's about it I'd say
<yorickpeterse> or should it also include stuff such as "how2gitcommit"?
<maloik> nah not really
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<maloik> but yea those are the ones I came up with as well
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<maloik> like... it actually happened that a change to something small caused nearly all webserves to reload because trailing spaces were removed in one commit in the chef cookbooks
<maloik> that's not too big of a deal but not something that should happen all the time
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<maloik> if it werent for that removal, 90% of webservers wouldn't have changed their configs
<yorickpeterse> force people to let their editors remove it automatically
<yorickpeterse> then it should in theory never even end up in Git
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<yorickpeterse> or w/e VCS you'd use
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<maloik> thats the goal of the document im writing
<maloik> to have everyone remove them
<maloik> (trailing spaces that is)
<maloik> same with softtabs, tab size, EOL at end of file and so on
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<yorickpeterse> editorconfig does all that, haven't used it myself yet but I intend to
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<judofyr> yorickpeterse: cool. haven't seen that before.
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<charliesome> >> "+(binary)".to_sym
<eval-in> charliesome => :+ (https://eval.in/56740)
<charliesome> discuss.
<judofyr> >> "+(binary)".intern
<eval-in> judofyr => :+ (https://eval.in/56741)
<judofyr> makes more sense
<judofyr> >> :"+(binary)"
<eval-in> judofyr => :+ (https://eval.in/56742)
<judofyr> woah
<judofyr> didn't knew about
<judofyr> that
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<yorickpeterse> it requires more typing
<apeiros> >> "+(unary).to_sym
<eval-in> apeiros => /tmp/execpad-8b762eaadbd8/source-8b762eaadbd8:6:in `<main>': undefined local variable or method `e' for main:Object (NameError) (https://eval.in/56744)
<apeiros> >> "+(unary)".to_sym
<eval-in> apeiros => :"+(unary)" (https://eval.in/56745)
<apeiros> >> "+(prefix)".to_sym
<eval-in> apeiros => :"+(prefix)" (https://eval.in/56746)
<apeiros> hm
<apeiros> wasn't there one?
<apeiros> I mean to get :+@
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<judofyr> I thought so as well
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<charliesome> yeah afaik there is
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<odogg> hello, friends...would someone be kind enough to help me with a ruby environment question, an issue with its setup on linux, not code-related
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<Senjai> odogg: Don't ask to ask, just ask :) If someone can answer they will
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<odogg> ok, so i have ruby 1.9.2, but i get an error saying Gem::InstallError: factory_girl requires Ruby version >= 1.9.2.
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<odogg> Make sure that `gem install factory_girl -v '4.2.0'` succeeds before bundling.
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<Senjai> odogg: what does ruby -v give you?
<odogg> ruby 1.9.2dev (2010-07-02) [x86_64-linux]
<Senjai> Are you using rvm? or the system ruby? if your using the latter, you may need sudo/root priviledges to install gems
<Senjai> odogg: 1.9.2dev != 1.9.2
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<odogg> ahh
<odogg> i'm root
<Senjai> odogg: I'd suggest upgrading to ruby 2.0, or 1.9.3 at the very least
<odogg> i tried and failed at installing 1.9.3
<odogg> i know very little about ruby, btw
<Senjai> Use that, dont do it as root though
<Senjai> err, I wouldnt reccomend it
<Senjai> ruby version manager is great. And that will isntall ruby 2.0 automatically
<odogg> update-alternatives --config ruby shows that i have 1.8 in auto mode and 1.9.2 is manual mode
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<odogg> rvm seems to detect my system as ubuntu, but it's not
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<Senjai> odogg: What is your system?
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<odogg> debian-based
<Senjai> odogg: Ubuntu is debian based ;) It shouldnt matter
<Senjai> IT doesnt use a gui or anything
<odogg> so rvm pkg is deprecated...what should i do instead?
<Senjai> rvm install 2.0
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<odogg> ok, i got ruby 1.9.3p448 installed successfully, no let's see if that clears up factory_girl 4.2.0
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<odogg> yay, a new error
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<odogg> i get an error saying i need gem install pg -v '0.16.0'
<odogg> but i successfully installed 0.17.0
<Senjai> odogg: okay, so gem install pg -v '0.16.0
<odogg> it says to do it with --with-pg-config=/path/to/pg_config
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<odogg> and the pg_config for my application is 0.17.0
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<odogg> ok, i think i'm good now, i specified -v '0.16.0' with the same pg_config file
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<zzak> :(((
<zzak> my github feed is full of haxorz
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<matti> Bad feed, bad
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