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<julian__2> I don't want to add the BG color as an attribut though
<julian__2> I want the BG color to be one, global variable
<julian__2> I haven't defined the Window class, I mean. It's part of the library
<julian__2> so it's not easy to create a BG attribute. But like I say, I don't want to have to pass a parameter for the BG color every single time I call blank_window because the BG color will always be the same.
<toretore> well, if it's not part of the curses library it should only bein your own code
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<toretore> so you can have a def blank(window); window.fill_all(1); end
<toretore> there is no reason to try and add it to the library
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<julian__2> toretore: aright,
<toretore> just because ruby lets you meddle with every class that exists doesn't mean you should ;0
<toretore> ;)
<toretore> most of the time you should leave classes that aren't your own alone
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<julian__2> toretore: Ah okay then. What's so bad about defining a method in an object? :)
<julian__2> I mean surely it's the only way to create self methods for objects?
<toretore> on an object, nothing. on a class, lots of things
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<toretore> def myWindow.clear; …; end
<julian__2> I meant on a class of Object
<julian__2> confusing :L
<julian__2> what's so bad about a method in a class?
<toretore> defining methods in Object is definitely a bad idea
<julian__2> right. Everything's working and it's clear what's going on.
<julian__2> Does it slow things down?
<julian__2> Make things buggy somehow?
<toretore> it will result in bugs, yes
<toretore> given enough time
<julian__2> ah right, okay.
<julian__2> In curses, each window instance is an object. How should I write self methods for them?
<toretore> what do you mean by self methods?
<julian__2> class Object def say_hello self.addstr "hello" end end
<julian__2> window1.say_hello #=> "hello"
<julian__2> like that
<toretore> def window1.say_hello; ... end
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<julian__2> but that's not dynamic?
<julian__2> what if I had
<julian__2> wind2.say_hello
<toretore> just imagine it's not possible to define methods in classes which you didn't write yourself and you'll be ok
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<toretore> do you?
<julian__2> well I don't make a habit of it :L
<toretore> if you really want a class with say_hello, create your own that inherits from Window
<toretore> but Window isn't yours to touch
<julian__2> Ah right, I like the sound of that!
<julian__2> could I have an example?
<ErwinNH> Thanks for your help guys, I'm out for the night.
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<toretore> class MyWindow < Window; def say_hello; …; end; end
<toretore> window1 = MyWindow.new
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<julian__2> window1.say_hello
<toretore> this is all pretty basic ruby; you should read the "programming ruby" book, it's free online
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<julian__2> I have read a few books on Ruby
<julian__2> it's not like I don't understand what you've just done
<julian__2> but I will look into that
<julian__2> thanks for help
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<Barrin6> i'm back
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<hfp> Hi guys! I was wondering, which one do you use and why: https://gist.github.com/Coaxial/7078277 ?
<jrobeson> the 2nd , because it looks better.. is is commonly used
<whitequark> second. also, two spaces.
<hfp> whitequark: Where do you put two spaces?
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<jrobeson> 2 space indent
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<imperator> good evening
<hfp> Ah ok
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<jrobeson> hfp, here's one reasonable ruby styleguide https://github.com/styleguide/ruby
<jrobeson> hfp, i always use do/end if it's multiple lines
<hfp> thanks, I'm reading your link
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<hfp> jrobeson: It says "Avoid return where not required." When is return not required?
<jrobeson> almost always
<jrobeson> look at all the ruby code you've seen .. how many use return in their methods?
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<hfp> jrobeson: I haven't seen much, I'm following codecademy's course and they use it every time :D
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<jrobeson> ah.. i can't speak for that then
<jrobeson> i can count the number of returns i've seen in ruby code on 1 hand
<jrobeson> not that i've seen a TON of ruby code, but certainly multiple thousands
<hfp> Ok
<jrobeson> s/TON/a lot/
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<jrobeson> ruby has implicit returns so people don't use them much
<hfp> I see.
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<hfp> Also, what is prefereable? var.sort.reverse! or var.sort!.reverse!
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<freedrull> seems like you would only need one !
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<foucist> hfp: could benchmark it
<hfp> foucist: interesting, how would you do that?
<foucist> i dunno, i've written scripts and then run it from shell with time <script> before
<foucist> there's another way to do it within ruby
<foucist> using a gem
<foucist> google it :P
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<whitequark> hfp: it only depends on whether you need the original content of var preserved
<whitequark> if not, the latter is faster
<whitequark> if yes, you have to use the former
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<hfp> The double bang is much faster :)
<hfp> Or not. It's hard to say I guess the difference is too small.
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<whitequark> it avoids one allocation
<whitequark> that likely doesn't matter unless it is done in a tight loop
<whitequark> (or you're dealing with really big arrays)
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<hfp> whitequark: Not particularily, I'm learning and was just curious what best practice is.
<whitequark> (benchmarking) it's in stdlib. require 'benchmark'
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<devn> what do you guys think of Rubinius X?
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<ryez> it looks like the loop keyword doesn't yield a counter/index to the looped block?
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<ryez> I wish I could have: `loop do |i| puts i; end`
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<jrobeson> ryez, i've wanted the same thing somtimes also :(
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<ryez> jrobeson: file a ruby bug to get it?
<jrobeson> not that much :)
<ryez> woth it? though it's also easy to maintain a counter myself
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<ryez> *worht
<ryez> *worth
<ryez> anyway, Integer.times does this
<ryez> making me have the same expectation
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<maloik> mmorning!
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<Lench> hello friends
<Lench> i have this loop and input has ~10.000 entries
<Lench> at about 6500, the loop gets slower and slower
<Lench> and my cpu workload goes down (i find that weird)
<DefV> GC?
<Lench> can you give me any tips? maybe also if u see how i can make the loop any better?
<Lench> GC?
<DefV> Garbage collection
<Lench> ah, should i take a look into tuning that?
<Lench> because my ram is totally ok (does that indicate something?)
<Lench> the first half takes a minute, the second half about 6-8
<DefV> you can profile your Garbage Collector with GC::Profiler
<Lench> so it IS a gc problem?
<DefV> it might be
<DefV> what you are describing sounds like your GC is kicking in
<Lench> ah i see
<DefV> but there's no sure way of knowing unless you profile it
<Lench> it took 8 minutes to run through ._.
<DefV> before you start optimizing for it :-)
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<Lench> uh ok
<Lench> i just thought 10000 entries is not really much
<Lench> i mean compared to 9 billion db entries or something like that...
<Lench> so i never thought about garbage
<maloik> excuse me if I'm talking out of my ass, but would putting the encoding string in an object work ?
<maloik> so it get reused rather than creating 10k new strings that are the same
<maloik> could be a start
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<Lench> which string?
<Lench> array[1][k].force_encoding("iso-8859-1")?
<maloik> "iso-8859-1"
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<Lench> ah
<maloik> I don't know the first thing about GC though and I've never had to do optimization like this so take this with a lake of salt
<maloik> have no idea about the impact that may have
<Lench> i think that's a pretty smart fart, at least one to try out
<Lench> thanks
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<maloik> haha :)
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<maloik> homebrew phantomjs zzz
<Lench> haha, i havent seen that one yet
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<maloik> Lench: fwiw, I just tested what I said and it does make a significant difference but I doubt it's relevant for you :-)
<maloik> worth trying still I suppose
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<Lench> maloik: yea, i tested it too. it does make a difference!
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<Lench> got rid of the output stuff, hope this helps too
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<maloik> oh it should
<maloik> rewriting the commandline tends to take up a lot of time
<maloik> the terminal I mean
<Lench> do you think it might help to add more cpu cores?
<maloik> no idea :-) sort of doubt it
<Lench> but cpu is the only thing that loop seems to leech hah
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<maloik> just throwing cores at the process probably won't help, but what you can do is create new threads and execute them in parallell for every 2500 or so loops
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<maloik> and by can do I mean "can try" as again this is really far away from my daily tasks ;-)
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<maloik> Lench: check this out: http://blog.radioni.ca/index.php?id=P232
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<Lench> maloik: uh thanks :-)
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<ljarvis> morning
<maloik> ohai
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<ndrst> anyone wants to add a hello world in any language? https://github.com/pxlpnk/xhelloworlds/
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<ledestin> ndrst: my, my, Ruby there is horrible
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<ndrst> hm? ledestin what to you mean exactly?
<ledestin> ndrst: you don't need class for that. in the class you want class method, not instance method.
<ndrst> yeah. thats true.
<DefV> maloik: threads won't do anything for CPU
<ledestin> ndrst: it's not fucking java
<DefV> Ruby still has GIL
<jrobeson> MRI still has GIL
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<DefV> yes :-)
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<ndrst> ledestin: feel free to change it.
<ledestin> ndrst: hello world isn't really interesting for getting to know a language
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<ndrst> there is no general problem for getting to know a language
<maloik> well it's a cool start imo, especially if you start to add extra examples like outputting '99 bottles of beer' or silly things like that
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<ledestin> ndrst: why do you do it then?
<ndrst> why not?
<maloik> that's a pretty insane repository :)
<ndrst> yeah that one is nice.
<maloik> ndrst: you're andreas?
<ndrst> it started out as a cheatsheet for a 6 hello words in 6 languages in 6 minutes. turned into more
<ndrst> maloik: yeah
<maloik> hi :-) hannes from arrrrcamp here
<ledestin> ndrst: it's useless, you don't get an idea of how good or bad a language is.
<ndrst> haha, hey
<maloik> ledestin: to be fair not everything needs a world-changing goal
<workmad3> ledestin: I'd say it's redundant much more than useless :) there are so many different hello-world repos out there
<ndrst> ledestin: what would be better then?
<ledestin> maloik: no, but it's too small
<ledestin> ndrst: have you read my link
<jrobeson> ooh i like the post to see how it looks with rust and go
<ndrst> yes I have
<ledestin> maloik: look at my link with sorting in different langs
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<ledestin> ndrst: that gives some idea of how good/bad lang is
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<ndrst> but also just for the problem of sorting things
<ledestin> yes, but it's much better than hello world
<jrobeson> there's a "ruby on rails" as language on that bottles of beer
<jrobeson> the ruby one hasn't been updated in a long time
<ndrst> that is true, in the end you need to explore any language deeper to figure out if it solves the problem you have
<workmad3> ndrst: 'hello world' gives an idea of how easy it is to print to a terminal in some language
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<workmad3> ndrst: sorting a file gives an idea of how easy file access and sorting is in some language
<ndrst> this is absolutly true
<workmad3> ndrst: a lot more programs read and manipulate files than just spit out text to a terminal :)
<ledestin> workmad3: Ruby, Perl, Python will probably be the same for hello
<workmad3> ledestin: minor differences in the method used (puts, print) but yes, they are :)
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<ndrst> still, it's fun to explore, and people somehow like to add stuff to it. I also love the colorful language statistics
<ndrst> it's nothing revolutionary or perfectly new. But I also got input from beginners how had fun adding stuff.
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<sirfilip> morning
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<yorickpeterse> benlovell: you're the worst troll ever
<yorickpeterse> just sayin'
<benlovell> i know right.
<yorickpeterse> Meanwhile I'm hating on myself and dealing with outsourced code
<yorickpeterse> it's the wurst
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<benlovell> so you didn't pledge to rvm?
<yorickpeterse> I opened a passive aggressive issue after raging in #rubinius
<yorickpeterse> I'll see if I can just install it manually later today
<yorickpeterse> It was apparently fixed about 20 days ago but some other commit undid it by the looks of it
<yorickpeterse> (TESTS?)
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<benlovell> i have to ask why the flying fuck you are even using rvm at all?
<benlovell> you're some kind of sick sadist
<yorickpeterse> I know right
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<benlovell> :D
<yorickpeterse> because we're already using it in $PROD sadly
<yorickpeterse> I did put a note on our duct tape "kanban" that says "Ditch RVM"
<yorickpeterse> well it used to have duct tape, now it's just some regular white tape
<yorickpeterse> Regardless of the state of RVM it's not really useful, only our Jenkins instance runs more than one Ruby version
<benlovell> how was dotrb?
<yorickpeterse> Pretty sweet
<yorickpeterse> hardly saw anything of Paris thoughh
<yorickpeterse> Just some hookers and run down buildings
<benlovell> cool
<benlovell> all the sights
<yorickpeterse> But yeah, the implementer panel was pretty hilarious
<benlovell> oh man, i can imagine.
<yorickpeterse> tenderlove did a switcharoo with headius
<yorickpeterse> then went on about the JVM startup time
<benlovell> heh
<yorickpeterse> and we sang birthday songs for evan
<benlovell> i was so bummed i couldn't make it
<benlovell> just for that panel alone
<yorickpeterse> And next year they'll be doing a dotGo
<yorickpeterse> I suggested dotBash but I don't think anybody heard it
<benlovell> dotrvm
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<yorickpeterse> I don't think that would work
<yorickpeterse> (zing)
<maloik> Anyone recognize these errors? https://gist.github.com/hannesfostie/9111ed5c3a70cc034c08
<maloik> I get the same when installing macvim via homebrew for instance
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<maloik> I'm guessing it's something to do with clang/gcc/whatever not being installed/configured properly but I don't know where to start
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<darix> maloik: the code needs porting to ruby 2?
<benlovell> yeah, system_timer is 1.8
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<darix> maloik: so macvim probably doesnt support ruby 2 either
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<maloik> lol that was obvious
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<maloik> this is in fact a 1.8 project
<maloik> still though, anyone know about such errors? as I said I can't install macvim for the same reason
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<benlovell> maloik: how are you installing macvim? with brew?
<yorickpeterse> Of the many things that don't work on Linux at least Gvim/Vim isn't one of them
<maloik> benlovell: yep
<maloik> yorickpeterse: vim works fine, but I wanted to upgrade to 7.4 without touching the 'native' vim version
<maloik> so macvim was the obvious choice there
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<yorickpeterse> doesn't macvim pre-package binaries?
<yorickpeterse> I recall it used to at some point
<DefV> hmz
<maloik> I have no idea? oO
<DefV> does Array have a method to select a range of elements that always return an array
<DefV> like
<DefV> [0,1,2][0..1] == [0, 1]
<maloik> apparently there's some issues regarding macvim but they involve cherrypicking stuff into mac_unix.os or something like that so... no :(
<yorickpeterse> tadaa
<DefV> [0,1,2][99..-1] == nil
<DefV> I want the last one to return []
<maloik> >> [1, 2, 3, 4, 5].values_at(3..-1)
<eval-in> maloik => [4, 5] (https://eval.in/56182)
<maloik> ??
<yorickpeterse> that makes sense?
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<yorickpeterse> you start at index 3, which is value 4 and go backwards
<yorickpeterse> (I have a feeling I'm missing something)
<maloik> -1 is last item of array
<maloik> >> [1, 2, 3, 4][-1]
<eval-in> maloik => 4 (https://eval.in/56183)
<toretore> >> [1, 2, 3, 4, 5].values_at(99..-1)
<eval-in> toretore => [] (https://eval.in/56184)
<yorickpeterse> String#to_sym is the best method ever
<DefV> >> /4
<eval-in> DefV => /tmp/execpad-4226959e597b/source-4226959e597b:2: unterminated regexp meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/56185)
<DefV> hm
<yorickpeterse> yorickpeterse's guide to internet fame:
<yorickpeterse> 1) take random HTML page
<yorickpeterse> 2) call #to_sym everywhere
<yorickpeterse> 3) ???
<yorickpeterse> 4) fame
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<maloik> wut ??
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<yorickpeterse> outsourced code, terribad
<yorickpeterse> fixing it
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<ledestin> yorickpeterse: I was dealing with Aptana code recently
<yorickpeterse> wat
<ledestin> yorickpeterse: apparently people that use it don't look at diffs
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<yorickpeterse> You mean that crappy Eclipse fork?
<ledestin> Aptana is an IDE that brakes whitespace indentation horribly
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<ledestin> breaks*
<yorickpeterse> lol
<yorickpeterse> Funny enough not many editors get that right
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<yorickpeterse> which reminds me of http://editorconfig.org/
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<ledestin> that is a good thing
<yorickpeterse> Yeah I should probably, err, "introduce" that here :>
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<hfp> Greetings! Could anyone tell me why doesn't this work with all lower case choice string but it does if I don't use the bang method? https://gist.github.com/Coaxial/9c875520e7c9d8fc9af1 Thanks!
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<gnufied> you don't need bang method
<hfp> the same happens if I put the downcase! on "case choice.downcase!", all lowercase strings trigger the invalid choice case
<gnufied> because bang version of method returns nil and it modifies given string
<gnufied> whereas non-bang version returns downcased string
<gnufied> check the return value downcase!
<hfp> So as it is on the gist, I am effectively assigning nil to choice?
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<gnufied> exactly
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<hfp> I understand
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<hfp> Thanks
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<hfp> So in essence, the bang method should only be used with things like puts and print?
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<gnufied> bang version should ideally never be used
<TCMSLP> Use the bang method whenever you want the string to be physically altered in place
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<TCMSLP> gnufied: it seems neater to use the bang method rather than non-bang and reassigning the value to itself or similar?
* TCMSLP has only been learning Ruby for a week so feel free to ignore...
<gnufied> hfp: to be fair bang version does not always return nil. "ri downcase!"
<hfp> I updated the gist with a second example. Wouldn't it be appropriate to use the bang method on the select case statement?
<darix> TCMSLP: if the bang method can do it in place
<darix> it will save copying around data
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<gnufied> it will also modify original incoming string from different incoming method
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<gnufied> darix: I may be cargo-culting here, but using non-bang version seems more functional, if you see what I mean
<gnufied> So I personally stay clear of collect! or downcase! etc methods
<gnufied> easier to unit test (thought depends on scenario)
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<cout> I want to add colorized output to a minitest run, so I googled for it, and I found minitest/pride
<cout> but... I guess that's not quite what I had in mind :)
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<havenwood> cout: hmm, maybe minitest-emoji? :P
<cout> I don't have that one
<havenwood> cout: standalone gem Tenderlove did
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<havenwood> cout: actually minitest-emoji doesn't seem to be working for me with latest minitest, i wonder if something needs to be updated?
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<cout> havenwood: you have to require minitest/unit first
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<cout> it doesn't work for me in gnome-terminal
<imperator> congrats on your prize zzak
<cout> using Droid Sans Mono
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<havenwood> imperator: prize?
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<blowmage> havenwood: minitest-emoji is likely written to MiniTest 4, and the internals changed in Minitest 5
<havenwood> cout: ah, too bad :(
<blowmage> are you using mt4 or mt5?
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<cout> blowmage: who are you asking?
<havenwood> blowmage: yeah, that was my suspicion, as it worked for me in 4 and seemingly not in 5
<imperator> havenwood, ruby association prize
<imperator> oops, my bad, he's a finalist, not a winner (yet)
<havenwood> imperator: oh wow, awesome!
<havenwood> zzak: grats!
<imperator> i thought all 3 won, but apparently there's only 1 winner
<imperator> havenwood, nm, just a finalist for now
<asahi> hello, I'm wondering how I can parse out the text in quotes in something like the following string: 1.2.3.4 - - [17/Oct/2013:16:22:42 -0400] "GET /s1/path HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "http://domain.com/path" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0"
<imperator> still, nice
<havenwood> indeed!
<cout> I don't think I have any fonts with those emoji characters
<havenwood>
<dorei> asahi: maybe something like scan(/\"[^\"]+\"/)
<dorei> asahi: your_string.scan(some_regexp)
<asahi> dorei: i see. that helps thank you
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<cout> hmm, I wonder why this doesn't work
<cout> ruby -r <( echo 'puts "HI"' ) -e ''
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<dorei> why should it work? :p
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<havenwood> cout: -r library Causes Ruby to load the library using require. It is useful when using -n or -p.
<cout> dorei: <( ... ) in bash executes a command and sends the output to a pipe, then passes the filename of the pipe in as a command-line argument
<dorei> nop
<cout> dorei: e.g. cat <( echo 'puts "HI"') does what one would expect
<dorei> it redirects stdin i think
<cout> no that's >( ... )
<dorei> that's stdout redirection i think
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<cout> anyway the eror is strange (cannot load such file)
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<dorei> yeap
<asahi> got another regex question. how can i capture the content inside [] brackets? for example: 1.2.3.4 - - [17/Oct/2013:16:22:42 -0400] "GET /s1/path HTTP/1.1"
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<dorei> asahi: the same trick, /\[[^\[]\[/
<dorei> asahi: oops, /\[[^\[]*\[/
<dorei> hmm, i messed it :D
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<dorei> the correct one is /\[[^\]]*\]/
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<asahi> dorei: ahh i see thanks. i kept confusing myself :-/
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<asahi> one more question. If I do DateTime.parse("17/Oct/2013:16:22:42 -0400") I get a syntax error. any ideas on what I need to do?
<asahi> not a syntax error, an argument error
<tubbo> asahi: http://foragoodstrftime.com play around and figure out what's wrong
<tubbo> asahi: oh the ':' between the time & date is wrong, probably.
<asahi> tubbo: thanks
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<zzak> imperator: havenwood thank you! :D
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<apeiros> asahi: if you know the format, *don't* use parse. use strptime.
<apeiros> parse is like "oh, let me guess what you might have there". it's not an AI, nor a human.
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<maloik> would anyone mind taking a look at this model & test? https://gist.github.com/hannesfostie/8eb30ccd39fb599175e1
<maloik> I've been struggling with that problem for a while and not sure if it's very elegant
<maloik> my tests pass so I'm pretty sure it works but still
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<yorickpeterse> looks fine by me, maybe put the OpeningHour.new(....) stuff in a helper method of some sort
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<yorickpeterse> so you'd call it something like `create_opening_hour(start_time, end_time)`
<maloik> you mean in the test ?
<yorickpeterse> saves some typing but that's all
<yorickpeterse> yes
<maloik> fair enough
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<maloik> I cant believe how much time I spent on that shitty problem
<maloik> I just couldnt wrap my head around it for the longest time
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<yxhuvud> break out seconds_since_midnight..seconds_since_midnight + duration).include? to a method.
<apeiros> also while numeric ranges are special cased - use Range#cover? when you don't want to enumerate your range just to check whether a value is within its boundaries.
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<yxhuvud> um. wait a minute. Does it really say 'def self.initialize'? *boggle*
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<apeiros> oh, indeed
<apeiros> maloik: a) self.initialize would be a class method which is wrong, b) you should never override initialize in AR models. use after_initialize
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<apeiros> maloik: also you override your attr_accessor's later, so you can just drop them.
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<tubbo> yxhuvud: my coworker just showed me this lovely piece of code: `module Client; def self.new(attributes); Client::Client.new(attributes); end; end` :D
<tubbo> it's so you don't have to type OurProgramClient::Client
<tubbo> because the code was originally just OurProgramClient
<tubbo> plus i feel like that looks better
<maloik> apeiros: good feedback thanks a bunch, will take care of that
<maloik> actually apeiros I didn't quite get what you mean by Range#cover
<maloik> oh hang on... it just uses < and > to check if a value is within the range rather than turning the range into an array or something like that, is that what you mean ?
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<yorickpeterse> man, the Smalltalk-80 "Bluebook" is some nice reading material
<yorickpeterse> (I'm dead serious here)
<imperator> it's dead jim
<yorickpeterse> My name is not jim
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<apeiros> maloik: yes, Range#include? enumerates the range to check. for numeric values it's the same as cover?, though
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<maloik> fantastic, good to know :)
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<olleicua_> I have a class with a bunch of subclasses and I need to run a custom memoizing method after the declaration of some methods that are defined in the subclasses. Is there a way to do this with something like class eval or do I need to call my method in each subclass?
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<imperator> olleicua, possibly Module#included or Module#method_added might be what you're looking for
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<yorickpeterse> credits go to khaase
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<yorickpeterse> of course I somehow manage to partially evade the camera a few times
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<r0bglees0n> yorickpeterse: pretty cool
<yorickpeterse> yah, it was pretty good
<r0bglees0n> that is one good camera too
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<darix> r0bglees0n: want a good camera and lens to take photos in that light
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<rikai> I hate that this channel breaks the ability for me to change my nick while i'm in it. :/
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<tubbo> rikai: stop unregistering yourself
<tubbo> :)
<tubbo> rikai: use SASL to ensure you're always authenticated.
<olleicua> thank you imperator
<olleicua> that totally worked
<rikai> Not a bad idea.
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