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<Barrin6> i'm back
<Barrin6> taking a break from projecteuler to go back to "learning ruby the hard way"
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<darix> Barrin6: install pry
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<Barrin6> darix, what is pry
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<Barrin6> ohh
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<darix> Barrin6: the best thing is ... if you get stuck in a script
<darix> require 'pry'
<darix> binding.pry at the place where you want to debug
<darix> and you get a shell right in that spot
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<Andrevan> it's a debugger, btw, is the answer
<Andrevan> and the 'debugger' gem does the same thing
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<Andrevan> or 'jazz_hands' for pry and a bundle with other stuff
<Barrin6> I'm relaly new at this
<Barrin6> so I'm not sure what that means
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<Senjai> hi Barrin6
<Barrin6> hello senjai
<Barrin6> What you studying at UBC?
<Senjai> Barrin6: You pinged me yesterday but you logged off before I could respond
<Senjai> Barrin6: Was studying commerce
<Senjai> Barrin6: Are you at UBC?
<Barrin6> negative
<Barrin6> I just was stalking your profile
<Senjai> :P
<Barrin6> did you graduate already?
<Barrin6> or are you implying you changed majors
<Senjai> Nope, dropped out. I was already in the mining finance industry, so I didnt see much of a point of continuing. Now I'm in the software industry :P Starting my new job on the 4th at a rails shop
<Barrin6> nicee!
<Barrin6> I wish I dropped out of school :\
<Senjai> Barrin6: I wish I hadn't
<Senjai> Barrin6: Where do you study?
<Barrin6> How'd you get your break into the software industry?
<Barrin6> I studied Criminology,law and societ at the university of california-Irvine
<Barrin6> society*
<Senjai> Barrin6: Contributed to a few open source projects, one of the members of the project owned a firm nearby and hired me
<Barrin6> nice!
<Barrin6> so you learned everything yourself?
<Senjai> Barrin6: yep
<Barrin6> that's good
<Barrin6> I originally wanted to go to law school after graduation
<Barrin6> but I ditched that idea
<Barrin6> now I'm just working in helpdesk
<Senjai> Heh, everyone has a different path
<Barrin6> yea
<Barrin6> oh wells
<Barrin6> when you'd you first started learning to code?
<Senjai> When I was 14, I'm 23 now
<Senjai> I got distracted by business :(
<Senjai> didn't start seriously until like, feb
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<Barrin6> your coderbits looks pretty impressive
<Barrin6> for starting only since feb
<Senjai> Barrin6: I quit my job to learn :p
<Barrin6> chasing the dream!
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<Senjai> Barrin6: I think I have a receipt on amazon for like, $500 for a single order of books :P. And I'm still not very good
<Barrin6> looks like you went through a lot of online tutorials
<Barrin6> did you do that before ordering books?
<Senjai> Barrin6: I went through teamtreehouse and codecademy to find out what I wanted to focus on, after that I went the book route
<Senjai> Barrin6: Mostly just get design books and math books now. A lot of the "how does x do y" i find out with source diving.
<Barrin6> oh smart idea
<Senjai> Came down to ruby and python, I chose the former :P
<Senjai> I had past experience with C, C++ and C# though.. when i was younger
<Barrin6> that's crazy
<Barrin6> chasing the dream!
<Senjai> I think you'll find a lot of people go the same route on IRC
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<Barrin6> that's good
<Barrin6> I need to see other people like you to be motivated
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<Senjai> Barrin6: I think its just getting fed up doing the shitty stuff enough :P
<Barrin6> dang already 10pm here
<Barrin6> going to try and grind codeacademy again
<Barrin6> yea true
<Barrin6> yep already stalked that one
<Senjai> Barrin6: heh, I'm still a moderator for their ruby groups there
<Senjai> I havent been on in like 6 months
<Barrin6> you need to work on your jquery :P
<Barrin6> 3%!
<Senjai> Barrin6: thats the original course. the old one
<Barrin6> thanks
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<Barrin6> hehe
<Barrin6> just did my first git push to github
<Barrin6> wasn't so bad
<Barrin6> just cd to the directory
<Barrin6> do git status, then git add .
<Barrin6> then git push
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<Barrin6> omg i'm stuck on this one
<Barrin6> this is stupid
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<Barrin6> got it
<Barrin6> ugh
<Barrin6> but I didn't even use the right
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<Senjai> Wow this book is horrible
<Senjai> Description is sound but its like he didn't even run the code
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<Barrin6> which book?
<Senjai> Like, I've been rewriting everything
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<Barrin6> so with this pickaxe book
<Barrin6> is it more like a reference book or is a tutorial book that guides you from beginner to expoerT?
<Barrin6> expert*
<jrobeson> reference
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<Senjai> Barrin6: It was the sinle best ruby book I've ever read
<Senjai> Barrin6: The current version, that is
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<Barrin6> 96% done with code academy
<Barrin6> with ruby track I mean
<Barrin6> might do html/css next
<Senjai> Barrin6: their html/css is pretty lackluster, I'd hop on treehouse for that
<Barrin6> should I just do both?
<Barrin6> code academy first then treehouse?
<Senjai> Barrin6: After treehouse, codecademy html/css was a waste of time
<Senjai> Ruby python, apis and niche stuff is what CA is good at
<Barrin6> hmm
<Barrin6> you have a referral link?
<Barrin6> if it exists
<Senjai> sure
<Senjai> I'm still active on there, worth every penny :P
<Barrin6> you recommend gold or silver?
<Senjai> Barrin6: silver
<Senjai> Barrin6: IMO, because you can upgrade/downgrade every motnh, I do silver till I've finished all the silver content I'm interested in. Every now and then I'll get a gold month for some extra goodies
<Barrin6> ah good idea
<Barrin6> thanks
<Senjai> Barrin6: though if you subscribe with that link, I'll have 5 referrals and my account will be free ;) So it wouldnt matter :P
<Barrin6> whoa how did it grab my avatar
<Senjai> Barrin6: do you use gravatar?
<Barrin6> I must of
<Senjai> Barrin6: www.gravatar.com
<Barrin6> yea I did
<Barrin6> I made one back in 2011?
<Senjai> You can change it on that site
<Barrin6> I don't know why
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<ledestin> would anybody be willing to give me feedback on my CV?
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<whitequark> amazing, sinatra manages to crash ruby like all the time
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<yorickpeterse> Crash as a service
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<yorickpeterse> TIL there's a language on Github called "Bro"
<[spoiler]> yorickpeterse, does it have a website?!
<[spoiler]> http://bro-ida.org apparently
<[spoiler]> * http://bro-ids.org
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<[spoiler]> Ruby still seems cooler, though
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<whitequark> seriously what the hell is up with sinatra+thin
<whitequark> it just crashes every second request
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<whitequark> libmysql2, eventmachine, hiredis... sigh
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<yorickpeterse> lrn2computer
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<yorickpeterse> wohoo, I have a super super super basic hacky VM in D
<yorickpeterse> that only took fucking 2 weeks
<yorickpeterse> now lets see how much effort this is to do in Go
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<imperator> do it in Rust
<yorickpeterse> I looked at Rust but I'm not sure about it
<yorickpeterse> for one it's too young, second the pointer madness looks like a pain
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<imperator> pointer madness?
<whitequark> he means three types of pointers: shared, borrowed, unique
<whitequark> imo it's quite natural
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<[spoiler]> I have no idea what a borrowed pointer is
<whitequark> either shared or unique when the current context doesn't care which one of those it is
<whitequark> allows to write generic code
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<Barrin6> sup gang
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<[spoiler]> hey Barrin6
<Barrin6> what's up
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<Barrin6> i'm going to finish all of treehouse's html tutorials today
<Barrin6> html and css
<Barrin6> each day I'll finish each track
<Barrin6> until I"m done and cancelled
<[spoiler]> Oh, nothing, I'm just messing with Go
<[spoiler]> Oh, are you doing the tutorials, or are you making them?
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<Barrin6> doing the tutorials
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<[spoiler]> do you get a certificate or something at the end, or are you just doing it for fun?
<Barrin6> fo rfun
<Barrin6> I don't know of websites taht give you certificates
<Barrin6> and if they do, I don't think employers give much weight to them
<[spoiler]> yeah, I don't think so either
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<zenspider> rawr
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<Barrin6> i really hate html css
<r0bgleeson> why?
<r0bgleeson> i like the selector language
<Barrin6> I just don't enjoy it as much as I do with ruby
<r0bgleeson> you wouldn't use them for the same things
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<Barrin6> yea I guess
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<apeiros> r0bgleeson: you've never written an irc bot in CSS?
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<apeiros> I are disappoint :)
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<r0bgleeson> apeiros: hah no i have not :)
<[spoiler]> apeiros, r0bgleeson yeah! CSS has great async networking features
<r0bgleeson> Barrin6: they're different disciplines, right now you're probably focused on only ruby but it's not good to be so focused on one thing, you should try appreciate the whole environment
<[spoiler]> its I/O is superb
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<r0bgleeson> [spoiler]: its not helpful to say things like that
<r0bgleeson> it wont help him understand anything
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<[spoiler]> r0bgleeson, Sorry for trying to be funny :(
<Barrin6> yea true
<r0bgleeson> [spoiler]: it's not funny when the joke is on you
<apeiros> [spoiler]: yeah, stop being funny. we're all totally serious all the time here!
* [spoiler] pouts
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<Senjai> So question, how should I effecitvely test classes that use TCPSockets? I mean, I don't want to test TCPSockets so I'm only testing the messages it receives (e.g. call to new, or to write). Whats the most effecitve way to test them?
<Senjai> Should I mock the TCPClass? create a TCPServer in a before block and destroy it after the test?
<Senjai> Or should I double the TCPClass with like a.. stringio object or something
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<r0bgleeson> Senjai: interesting, a double sounds interesting
<r0bgleeson> im not sure
<r0bgleeson> a test run could could emulate the server the socket talks to as well
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<r0bgleeson> there's a lot of different approaches, I'd guess whichever one you feel most comfortable with.
<r0bgleeson> StringIO does interesting to me if it works
<r0bgleeson> does sound*
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<Senjai> r0bgleeson: Some suggested that I don't try and unit test it, because its aself contained class that sits at the end of my application
<Senjai> r0bgleeson: e.g. its mostly just a wrapper for a TCPSocket
<Senjai> so they suggested I just integration test it with a real TCPServer
<Senjai> instead of trying to stp everything
<r0bgleeson> yeah im not sure what the class does but being able to write to any IO object and abstract the creation of the IO thing(like TCPSocket) sounds valuable
<r0bgleeson> you can test in different parts, like the class can be tested for its write/read
<r0bgleeson> you can integrate test at another level
<[spoiler]> Ngl, an integration test sounds better for this than an unit test. Well, it's what you want tested in the end, anyway
<Senjai> r0bgleeson: https://gist.github.com/Senjai/7188913 is what came of my first test, but i've scrapped the test
<Senjai> because I'm not entirely sure how I should go about it
<Senjai> Then later I have to make a fake version of that class to test other things.
<r0bgleeson> Senjai: the only thing bound to the concept of a socket is #initialize
<Senjai> the whole testing of network stuff i;m horrible at
<r0bgleeson> the other methods read/write to an IO thing
<r0bgleeson> so i'd suggest abstracting that out of initialize
<r0bgleeson> you can test the instance methods as reading/writing to IO, you can build a class method that handles creating the socket & passing it to #initialize
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<Senjai> r0bgleeson: Like, create a connect method?
<Senjai> r0bgleeson: brb, I have to run to a friends place, I'll reconnect there
<r0bgleeson> whatever you want to call, it should be a class method that calls new() with an instance of TCPSocket but #initialize takes any IO
<r0bgleeson> ok
<r0bgleeson> dont know if i will be here or not, i dont always pay attention to IRC but ill check back in
<[spoiler]> night!
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<Senjai> r0bgleeson: back
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<r0bgleeson> cool
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