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<volty>
hi, how can I generate (a separate) rdoc documentation, in a directory of mine, for all installed (core + gems) files?
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<NemesisD>
anyone know of any ruby tools for compiling/minifying javascript projects? wanted to see if there was anything before i started down the path of rolling my own with rake
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<jrobeson>
well there's ruby tools that wrap other projects
<jrobeson>
like therubyracer
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<jrobeson>
or using the uglifier gem directly
<NemesisD>
hmm ok
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<jrobeson>
but you still end up with non ruby code.. like nodejs or the standalone v8 engine.. or mozilla rhino
<NemesisD>
weighing this over getting into a yak shave learning runt
<jrobeson>
OR .. just use bower
<NemesisD>
it is a browser javascript project. i need to be able to be able to generate builds for designers
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<jrobeson>
NemesisD, a browser javascript project? what does that mean?
<jrobeson>
it might be heresy to suggest that here, but what part is ruby playing in this?
<jrobeson>
might be easier to look into grunt, or yeoman.. depending on what you're actually trying to do.. and what tools are already in play
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<NemesisD>
jrobeson: lots of ruby folks like myself work with the web and may have to do javascript projects from time to time, but i take your point
<NemesisD>
i'd prefer to not do the build tools in javascript but when in rome..
<jrobeson>
well obviously lots of ruby folks work in the web.. i just didn't know what you meant by browser based.
<jrobeson>
if the whole thing was client side, and you were already gonna end up using v8 for handling minify.. adding ruby to it just bumps the dependencies for not many reasons
<NemesisD>
jrobeson: like an angularjs app
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<jrobeson>
but it will have a server side component?
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<NemesisD>
not in this project. it uses a server api but that's a separate thing
<jrobeson>
i'd just use a nodejs build tool then.. they already exist.. and you'll already need it
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<NemesisD>
*kicks ground*
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<jrobeson>
NemesisD, the rubyracer puts v8 directly inside of ruby in some way.. but i have no idea how good it is and what you can do with the exposed api
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<retro|cz>
Anyone related to rubysec here?
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<Dakota|away>
he woke up with a beard the very next day.
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<r0bglees0n>
Jadenn: hibernation can do that
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<Jadenn>
how would i go about displaying how long it took to generate a page with sinatra? i had that on my php app, not quite sure how to do it in ruby
<Jadenn>
my google-fu seems to failing at this particular query
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<jrobeson>
asking in #sinatra would be better
<RickHull>
sinatra defers all logging to rack:commonlogger IIRC
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<RickHull>
you'd probably want something in rack to start the timer, hand the request to sinatra, and stop the timer when it comes back
<Jadenn>
in php i could just store the current time in milliseconds in a variable at the top of the page, and then calculate the difference at the bottom
<jrobeson>
pretty much the same thing in ruby
<Jadenn>
alright
<jrobeson>
althoug hit's possible that sinatra sets something like REQUEST_TIME_FLOAT like many php framewoerks do
<RickHull>
sinatra is like php, and rack is like apache in that case
<RickHull>
so php can easily say, i got this thing, i did this, it took this long
<jrobeson>
check Rack
<RickHull>
you can implement something similar on the sinatra side or the rack side
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<jrobeson>
i mean check the rack classes see if that set that up on Rack::Request
<RickHull>
use this as an exercise to learn about rack
<jrobeson>
but it's also possible it doesn't.. and ther'es actually something already in sinatra, but they'd know better than we would
<RickHull>
if you don't understand why the rack approach beats the shit out of mod_php, keep studying rack
<Jadenn>
yeah i already looked through the request variables
<jrobeson>
rickhull, not everybody uses mod_php anymore :)
<RickHull>
not even me :(
<Jadenn>
never used mod_php :P apache is stinky. i used nginx/php-fpm
<jrobeson>
fastcgi + nginx seems prefered these days
<Jadenn>
currently im using nginx as a front end and using passenger to serve my sinatra app
<RickHull>
i haven't visited ##php in about 10 years so...
<RickHull>
around the 4->5 transition
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<jrobeson>
php is a lot different now.. anonymous functions, generators, shorter array syntax, etc
<Jadenn>
yeah i finally realized how horrid php is XD
<jrobeson>
it's still not as good as ruby .. but it's a ton better
<jrobeson>
php now has stronger object typing than ruby does
<RickHull>
what's tough is that php makes you "lazy" about a few things
<RickHull>
and maybe it's better now
<jrobeson>
not if you're using the modern frameworks.. at least not any more lazy than rak
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<jrobeson>
in fact.. php finally has a rack thing
<RickHull>
cakefony
<jrobeson>
not php itself.. but a sub project
<jrobeson>
uggh cakephp
<jrobeson>
symfony2 is all about dependency injection.. interfaces, and such.. very java like really
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<Jadenn>
i was surprised how easy it was to come from php to ruby. i had never touched ruby before 2 days ago, and i've already interfaced my old apps database and displayed its posts
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<jrobeson>
i wish there were better ruby web frameworks than rails and sinatra tho :(
<RickHull>
keep it up, and you won't look back after long. ruby has the accessibility of PHP without the WTFery
<jrobeson>
something full featured like rails.. but without all the coupling everywhere
<RickHull>
sounds like the holy grail
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<Jadenn>
all i ever knew was php, so any WTFery was normal to me :P
<jrobeson>
that's what using symfony was like
<jrobeson>
symfony2 *
<RickHull>
either you get a clean modular design, or you get full featured integration with coupling
<jrobeson>
not as decoupled as say Aura.. but still
<jrobeson>
symfony2 had both of those features really.. via DI and the event stuff
<RickHull>
gotta run, laterz
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<yorickpeterse>
if you click it your ears are wrecked
<yorickpeterse>
(while playing music)
<Jadenn>
oh yeah that happens to me alot.
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<Jadenn>
if anything clicking should mute
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<ddfreyne>
yorickpeterse: Not sure I understand :(
<yorickpeterse>
play one of the songs on that page
<ddfreyne>
If you click it, it mutes when the music is playing
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<yorickpeterse>
huh, I could've sworn it cranked it up to 100%
<Jadenn>
turns up to full for me
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<yorickpeterse>
WHAT IS THIS TRICKERY?
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<ddfreyne>
Meaning if that when the volume is at e.g. 50% and you click on it it goes to full?
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<yorickpeterse>
I...I'm not sure anymore, I could've sworn that whenever you'd click the volume icon it would go into oons oons mode
<yorickpeterse>
maybe I'm just stupid, which wouldn't be surprising
<ddfreyne>
That would be a bug, but I cannot reproduce it
<ddfreyne>
Let me know if you can reproduce it
<yorickpeterse>
will do
<ddfreyne>
at denis @ that website dot com :P
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<gnufied>
ha ha, soundcloud bugs. :-)
<rob_>
i want to have consistency across my application and im using 'sinatra/config_file' which creates a 'settings' object whose methods are settings... how can i do this when my settings are in hash?
<ddfreyne>
P.S.: I’m always in oons oons mode!
<yorickpeterse>
ddfreyne: I prefer if my ears could last a bit longer than 2 minutes
<ddfreyne>
yorickpeterse: :(
<yorickpeterse>
gah wtf, my Pry is all fucked up
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<yorickpeterse>
oh hm, it's pry-theme
* yorickpeterse
runs to #pry
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<ljarvis>
NO
<ljarvis>
i am so angry
<ljarvis>
protip backup your shit
<yorickpeterse>
somebody stoll your sweetroll?
<yorickpeterse>
* stole
<yorickpeterse>
ffs
<ljarvis>
my recycle bin stole my ~/.vim
<yorickpeterse>
lol
<yorickpeterse>
dotfiles bra
<ljarvis>
yeah my backups are way old
<yorickpeterse>
pfff, backups
<ljarvis>
because i fucking suck
<yorickpeterse>
I have a flash drive with my private keys and an HDD that's probably a year out of date
<ljarvis>
lul
<maloik>
colleague of mine printed his private key and put it in a safe at the bank
<maloik>
some serious james bond shit there
<yorickpeterse>
going to be fun typing that over
<maloik>
yea
<yorickpeterse>
"KEY SIGNING PARTY, PRINT YOUR PUBKEYS ON PAPER!" - yeah no
<Jadenn>
my two seagates have lasted years of continuous runtime. im quite pleased
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<yorickpeterse>
I think I do have my photos and some other non Git-capable files backed up, the rest I don't really care much about
<Jadenn>
SMART on the first one is a bit fuckered so i made that a mass storage drive
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<[spoiler]>
Does anyone know any good Ruby jokes/examples of silly code?
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: so how's the train business, I'm seeing a lot of train spam on the Twitters
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<gnufied>
two things, a. Trains b. Weather
<gnufied>
and then you know if person you are talking to is English
<gnufied>
:-)
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<Mortal->
Hello, can anyone help me? This 5 lines works in irb: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7431816 , but the same lines in script doesnt work. Script return "????????", in irb is correct translit from czech characters. Same server, email, terminal, environment,.... I dont know, why is this different
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: whatever you do, don't....go loco
<yorickpeterse>
YEEAAAAAAHHH
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<yorickpeterse>
I'll see myself out
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<yorickpeterse>
Mortal-: if you're on 1.9/2.0 you don't need Iconv
<x0f>
Mortal-, did you just try subject.to_s.encode("UTF-8"), which ruby version are you on?
<yorickpeterse>
but without the content it's hard to say
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<Mortal->
version 1.8.7, hmm, perhaps I can try update of ruby
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: :D yeah we launched some stuff today
<yorickpeterse>
grats
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: you should branch out to NL so you can kick the ass of the terrible web services provided by ns.nl
<yorickpeterse>
and actually provide a decent API that doesn't require you to blow 15 managers before you can get access
<yorickpeterse>
(NS is pretty strict on it)
<Mortal->
the script should be shorter, this line without tmail doesnt work, only in irb: "subject = Iconv::conv('ascii//translit', 'UTF-8', 'ěščřžýáíé')" and I need iconv because i need translit (convert czech character to ascii, for example ř => r)
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<loincloth>
PaulePanter: neat. what is this for?
<loincloth>
whitequark: nice find. not sure why it has a genered name API at a glance..
<loincloth>
seems weird for a library to weigh in on what the gender of a name is
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<yorickpeterse>
HAHAHA
<yorickpeterse>
genders based on names
<yorickpeterse>
lulz
<loincloth>
Good One Robot says, "GOOD ONE."
<yorickpeterse>
that honestly should go on the list of silly things next to comparing floats with ints
<yorickpeterse>
and the others
<loincloth>
name some more from that list
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<loincloth>
the color purple
<yorickpeterse>
storing dates without timezones
<loincloth>
the color, not the story
<yorickpeterse>
assuming everybody has a first and last name
<yorickpeterse>
and that everybody is addressed in the same order
<yorickpeterse>
assuming there are only 2 genders
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<yorickpeterse>
assuming names are always US ASCII
<yorickpeterse>
time always goes forward
<yorickpeterse>
(this list is pretty long)
<apeiros>
yorickpeterse: it's useful. not to determine but to do a plausibility check.
<PaulePanter>
loincloth: In Rails I have a regular expression that strings are matched against. Now I want to populate the database with a lot of values and have to create strings that are matched by the regular expression. Now I am looking for an easy way to do that.
<apeiros>
we (want to) employe it for address data entry
<apeiros>
*employ
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<apeiros>
and no, US ASCII only is not a thing here :)
<manveru>
PaulePanter: maybe try the faker library?
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<yorickpeterse>
apeiros: the accuracy is about 1%
<yorickpeterse>
it's like those "ARE YOU OVER 18?" forms
<apeiros>
yorickpeterse: wrong
<apeiros>
accurracy for our dataset is around 98%
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<apeiros>
but since that's >95% of our customer base, that's "good enough" for now
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros: so you do verify them manually afterwards?
<yorickpeterse>
errr s/manually//
<apeiros>
yorickpeterse: it's only a plausibility check, yes
<yorickpeterse>
ah
<apeiros>
it can't be used for 100% reliability
<apeiros>
since there are shared names
<yorickpeterse>
"YOUR NAME IS ASHE, THEREFOR YOU ARE FEMALE"
<toretore>
apeiros: i'm looking for a service/data for addresses, but a little more universa
<yorickpeterse>
"Are you a boy or a girl?" etc
<apeiros>
and while I'm aware of transgender issues, our company addresses people as either Mr or Mrs - the choice which is on the customer, of course :)
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros: oh, it's not even specific to that, it's just that it's often pretty inaccurate
<apeiros>
toretore: tell me when you've found one. I'd like to extend verification to our neighboring countries :)
<yorickpeterse>
I remember somebody made some JSON API for it a week or two ago
<yorickpeterse>
of course it only did common US names
<yorickpeterse>
apparently my gender was `null`
<ljarvis>
how applicable
<apeiros>
yeah, yours would probably not get a hit either
<apeiros>
also if somebody enters you wrongly, the bias will go in the wrong direction
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<apeiros>
i.e., the system draws knowledge from the existing dataset
<yorickpeterse>
GET /gender/ljarvis => {"gender": "british"}
<toretore>
apeiros: someone probably needs to start a service where they gather all this address data into one big db
<apeiros>
but at least for those which have - it'd certainly be nice
<toretore>
apeiros: well, i'd settle for just europe
<apeiros>
yeah, me too
<toretore>
apeiros: it's not something one could ever rely on in either case
<toretore>
just for sanity checking or convenience
<manveru>
yorickpeterse: my wife is male too :)
<apeiros>
correct
<yorickpeterse>
manveru: ha
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<apeiros>
it'd avoid 99% of the BS we have in our DB, though
<apeiros>
and it'd reduce costs of that BS by a 6 digit number…
<yorickpeterse>
oh oh! I remembered a new one
<toretore>
apeiros: what industry are you in?
<apeiros>
financial services
<toretore>
oh ok
<manveru>
and with her name in kanji i get no response at all :(
<toretore>
thought maybe you were a competitor ;)
<yorickpeterse>
postal codes are always in the format of \d{\s+[a-zA-Z]+
<yorickpeterse>
errr
<yorickpeterse>
\d{4}
<apeiros>
toretore: what business are you in then?
<toretore>
logistics
<apeiros>
ah
<toretore>
parcels mostly
<apeiros>
that'd be interesting too :)
<yorickpeterse>
manveru: it's PHP, it probably doesn't know what encodings are
<apeiros>
toretore: if you ever go about building an address system thingy for europe, tell me. I'd be interested in participating (if it's BSD/MIT licensed, that is)
<manveru>
ah, it works if i add the country code
<toretore>
apeiros: yeah. i just hope the data is freely available
<toretore>
you can verify postcodes if you know the geographical entity it's associated with
<toretore>
FR-NNNNN or GB-CCCCCC
<apeiros>
toretore: part of the swiss data is
<apeiros>
streets aren't
<apeiros>
but that can be worked around
<toretore>
ah
<apeiros>
or you can leave it "pluggable"
<yorickpeterse>
oh oh! Streets always have street names and house numbers
<apeiros>
i.e., "if you buy the data, you can use this part too"
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<apeiros>
yorickpeterse: that was sarcastic, right? :)
<yorickpeterse>
No that was totally legit
<apeiros>
like the one about everybody has first & last name, and everybody has a clear gender etc.
<yorickpeterse>
also house numbers are unique across streets
<apeiros>
oh
<apeiros>
yeah
<yorickpeterse>
*ALWAYS*
<toretore>
imo everyone should just standardize on address formats
<apeiros>
and there'd never be half-numbers
<yorickpeterse>
toretore: have fun explaining that to all of Asia
<yorickpeterse>
apeiros: yeah or suffixes
<yorickpeterse>
or just the same number twice
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<yorickpeterse>
I do wonder why ""f was introduced and *then* people started argueing against it
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<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: as opposed to?
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<manveru>
wtf is f?
<whitequark>
frozen string literal
<whitequark>
sigh
<yorickpeterse>
writing down an actual proposal, discussing it to see what the options are, etc. Of course then you can still get to this point but from what I remember ""f was added pretty quickly
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<turnip>
""f was rejected no?
<ljarvis>
it was implemented and then revoked
<yorickpeterse>
^
<ljarvis>
once everyone saw sense
<turnip>
everyone seemed to hate it quite a lot
<turnip>
i thought it seemed good but never used it
<whitequark>
however the solution was not invented immediately
<yorickpeterse>
I still wonder where the use case would be, I can't think of any particular code that creates the same strings over and over in a loop for example
<yorickpeterse>
if you pre-create strings and then iterate it wouldn't matter in both cases
<turnip>
ah, so ""f was an optimized .freeze?
<yorickpeterse>
for hash keys it does make sense
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<yorickpeterse>
though then you're left to wonder with why Symbols are still around
<turnip>
was there any semantic differences between ""f and .freeze?
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<turnip>
yorickpeterse: yeah, Symbol seems fine as an immutable key
<turnip>
though they're not GC'ed
<turnip>
id assume these strings are
<whitequark>
turnip: semantic? no
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: it's not for code which creates string in a loop
<whitequark>
it's for code which *uses* string literal in a loop
<whitequark>
hoisting literals out of a loop to help VM is incredibly silly
<manveru>
guess i should read through the 2.1 changes
<turnip>
whitequark: so it was literal syntax for "foo".freeze and not much else, except easier to optimize?
<whitequark>
turnip: yes
<turnip>
okay
<turnip>
thanks
<manveru>
there are also r/i suffixes
<manveru>
did they get removed as well?
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: I don't see why normal strings can't be optmized for that
<whitequark>
manveru: no
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: because they're inherently mutable
<whitequark>
basically the new solution is to pattern-match "...".freeze and treat it like one would ""f
<whitequark>
it's a bit more complex because you can redefine #freeze
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<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: given you could see if a string would be mutated in a loop you could still optimize that, but I guess the difficulty of that varies greatly from code to code
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: in a general case that's equivalent to halting problem
<whitequark>
copy-on-write strings tried to solve that
<whitequark>
but it's a whole different bag of problems
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<yorickpeterse>
Still wondering what the numbers have to say, haven't seen any benchmarks yet
<whitequark>
do it yourself
<turnip>
"foo".freeze isn't that common of a pattern ive seen in the wild in ruby, ive seen it, but rarely
<turnip>
usually reserved for constant assigments
<whitequark>
turnip: it's for a rather special case involving tight loops.
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: I'm not the one introducing the feature and claiming it has benefits
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: you're the one bitching about it though
<whitequark>
even after it was reverted
<yorickpeterse>
Correct, because I see people make performance statements with no (public) numbers to back it up with
<yorickpeterse>
and once 2.1 is out I'll benchmark it anyway
<whitequark>
on MRI this is mostly irrelevant
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<whitequark>
afaik the whole frozen string affair matters for jruby and maybe rbx.
<yorickpeterse>
I'm mostly annoyed by "This is faster! No numbers but it's faster!"
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<whitequark>
$ ruby -e $'<<E\r+Math\nfoo\nE'
<whitequark>
sigh...
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<whitequark>
try it on 2.0 and 2.1
<yorickpeterse>
don't have 2.1 installed
<yorickpeterse>
gives error on 2.0
<turnip>
yorickpeterse: im pretty confident charliesome would have done some research on this
<yorickpeterse>
turnip: possibly, but the numbers being public would be nice
<turnip>
true
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<whitequark>
so, parser 2.1 is due soon
<whitequark>
it's ready in fact, if ruby doesn't change something else.
<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: "When he’s not up to his neck in code, Lee is searching for the next exotic meat he hasn’t yet conquered." is this some innuendo?
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<yorickpeterse>
"exotic meat" HMMM HMMMM
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* yorickpeterse
doesn't even have his own company profile :<
<mistym>
yorickpeterse: How are you going to tell the world about your quest for exotic meat then?
<yorickpeterse>
dunno, I'm more of a tea person
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<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: har
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: I switched my profile to the top a few weeks ago
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: they only noticed today
<mistym>
Mystery tea is pretty good at raising your wisdom stat
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<ljarvis>
trololol
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<yorickpeterse>
mystery what?
<yorickpeterse>
wisdom stat?
<yorickpeterse>
I mostly drink black tea, like a true brit
<yorickpeterse>
no milk though, that's for babies
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: also you mean at the top of the page?
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<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: ya
<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: before the important people
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<yorickpeterse>
heh
<yorickpeterse>
Hm, what I can do is change the company picture of my CTO so you see a tiny picture of me in the lower left corner
<ljarvis>
:D
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<eval-in>
charliesome => no implicit conversion of Fixnum into String (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/66717)
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<charliesome>
whitequark: also f-suffix got removed
<charliesome>
you'll be happy to hear
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<whitequark>
charliesome: already seen
<drbrain>
charliesome: I don't understand what's happening in make_no_method_exception where the NameError::message is created
<charliesome>
me either
<drbrain>
looks like some special handling for !
<charliesome>
ruby is super weird
<ddfreyne>
yorickpeterse: pong
<charliesome>
>> k = ObjectSpace.each_object(Data.singleton_class).to_a[1]; def k.!(); end; 123.lolol
<eval-in>
charliesome => wrong number of arguments (3 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/66718)
<charliesome>
:~)
<yorickpeterse>
ddfreyne: if I in theory crash Berlin on December 6th, could you offer me a quiet place with internet and not too much sunlight at Soundcloud so I can hack stuff during the day?
<yorickpeterse>
this is still an idea, no idea if I even have days left off
<drbrain>
charliesome: I have a github feature request
<charliesome>
drbrain: yeah?
<charliesome>
>> k = ObjectSpace.each_object(Data.singleton_class).to_a[1]; def k.!(*x); p x; end; 123.lolol
<drbrain>
charliesome: have a button so I can easily say "blame from parent commit of this file"
<charliesome>
drbrain: ooh i want that too
<drbrain>
when code gets moved it's hard to follow the move
<ddfreyne>
yorickpeterse: Hmm, I am not the one to talk to about that, but SoundCloud is not an open office where people can come in and do some hacking, generally speaking.
<yorickpeterse>
ddfreyne: that I figured, but it's not too uncommon (at least around here) for people to go like "HEY I'M IN TOWN WHERE CAN I HACK?" followed by people inviting said person
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. I did that with Zed
<yorickpeterse>
granted he's of slightly higher status than me
<ddfreyne>
yorickpeterse: I really like the idea tbh, but there's currently no infrastructure around that to make that easy (I'm thinking about physical security issues etc).
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<drbrain>
Senjai`work: where do you require 'analytics'?
<Senjai`work>
drbrain: spec_helper autoloads rails which autloloads everything in the lib directory
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<Senjai`work>
drbrain: but this isn't really rails related, describe Google works fine, and in a binding.pry it's visible appropriately
<drbrain>
I would suspect that ↑ is not happening then
<Senjai`work>
hmm.
<drbrain>
Senjai`work: try adding a "p :woo_I_was_required" at the top of analytics.rb
<Senjai`work>
sure, sec
<drbrain>
or even raise Exception, "I was required"
<Senjai`work>
you win, I did a raise 'I was required' at the top of the file
<Senjai`work>
and the spec didn't raise it
<drbrain>
\o/
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<Senjai`work>
here i thought RSpec would raise an error in the describe block
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<Senjai`work>
drbrain: Thanks, feel kinda lame now :P
<drbrain>
Senjai`work: I frequently waste an hour or two on such problems on a regular basis!
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<Senjai`work>
Last question, I could test it in IRB if it's annoying. If I have a class within a module, and define a module variable in the module, is it visible to the class without a getter/setter method?
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<TTilus>
Senjai`work: test it in pry
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<Senjai`work>
TTilus: Guess it's not
<drbrain>
Senjai`work: in general, variables are not accessible outside the context they're defined in
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<Senjai`work>
drbrain: cheers :)
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