apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<eddloschi> Hi everyone. Quick question, what's the best way to clear a Hash, using the clear method or replacing it with a new one?
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<hahuang65> sorry to bother, can someone mention me really quick? testing out a new plugin.
<krasnus> hahuang65: mentioned ;)
<hahuang65> krasnus: thanks
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<JoelMcCracken> So, I was just looking at a compiled ERB template, and I blocks are appending their contents to _erbout. Is there some way to control this? I was hoping to use ERB as a way to capture large chunks of text, not necessarily generate a huge document in a single run
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<JoelMcCracken> in order to do this, i'd need to get into some pretty hairy stuff. it seems like I'm just missing something
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<JoelMcCracken> oh; nevermind. I guess I was misunderstanding how scoping would change things.
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<JoelMcCracken> It can be controlled fine by passing in a variable name
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<lewix> :003 > [1,3,7][1,6]
<lewix> => [3, 7]
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<lewix> how do the arrays work here
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<toretore> one is an array, the other is a method call and a list of arguments
<toretore> [1,3,7].[](1,6)
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<krasnus> afaik you could also write [1,3,7][1..6] which would be identical, I believe
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<lewix> toretore: remind me wgat the method does please
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<lewix> toretore: ah never mind. that was one of those stupid moment -)
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<lewix> toretore: I was bothered by the 6, since the array only have three elements
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<islander> i am working on JumpStart Lab EventManager tutorial
<islander> and there is this line 'zipcode.to_s.rjust(5, "0")[0..4]'
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<islander> i'm confused with what exactly this line does.. assuming that zipcode is an integer value
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<toretore> just try it with a value
<toretore> >> 1234.to_s.rjust(5, "0")[0..4]
<toretore> > 1234.to_s.rjust(5, "0")[0..4]
<toretore> i thought that would work
<toretore> => "01234"
<toretore> 1234567.to_s.rjust(5, "0")[0..4]
<toretore> => "12345"
<islander> Ok thank you
<maloik_> :%s/footprint/fingerprint/g
<maloik_> brilliant stuff :D
<islander> So it converts to string, then add "0" if length is less than 5?
<maloik_> been naming this thing wrong for the past week or so
<toretore> islander: yes
<islander> so the rjust already has a builtin if/else condition? (sort of)
<islander> by having that first parameter?
<toretore> yes. if size < 5; "#{pad * 5-size}"; end
<toretore> "#{pad * 5-size}#{self}"
<islander> toretore thanks so much
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<yorickpeterse> TODAY'S RED HERRING: "OMG IT'S THE GC"
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<ljarvis> hi
<wnd> lo
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<gnufied> o
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<yorickpeterse> who needs new relic when you have elasticsearch
<yorickpeterse> bit annoying that it can't do facets of multiple numerical types though
<yorickpeterse> "oh what's that, you have an integer and a float? java.lang.herp.derpNumericError"
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<yorickpeterse> hmm....disproved it's the GC
<yorickpeterse> feels good
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<ljarvis> no u
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<maloik_> zzak: are you familiar with 'emboss' / Martin Bosslet? any clue if he's on IRC somewhere ?
<r0bgleeson> ljarvis: yes why
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<ljarvis> wat
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<yorickpeterse> lol wtf this website has <time datetime="37/2013"> .... </time>
<yorickpeterse> that's a nice date there bra
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<ljarvis> it's the 37th month duh
<ljarvis> from epoch
<yorickpeterse> I...have no idea what this is
<yorickpeterse> there's 47/2013 for August
<yorickpeterse> 26/2013 for may, and then another for may that is 05/2013
<yorickpeterse> 18/2013 for april
<yorickpeterse> like wtf
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<yorickpeterse> probably some sequence number and a bug
<yorickpeterse> lol travel websites
<wnd> sounds like %M instead of %m
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<yorickpeterse> why the fuck would you store minutes/year
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<yorickpeterse> <time datetime="35/2013">octobre 2013</time> this is what the HTML looks like
<yorickpeterse> makes zero sense
<whitequark> octobre
<whitequark> octobro
<yorickpeterse> e.g. 05-2013 is used as 37/2013 and 25/2013
<wnd> I'd expect that the timestamps are stored as timestamps and formatted with wrong syntax for display/html
<gnufied> I expect that someone is trolling yorickpeterse
<yorickpeterse> gnufied: travel websites are not clever enough for that
<yorickpeterse> except for Booking
<yorickpeterse> grrrr booking
<gnufied> lol
<yorickpeterse> the alternative is adding translations for every month and pulling it from the text
<yorickpeterse> hmpf
<yorickpeterse> (which was already done, except for "mai" apparently)
<yorickpeterse> and some other months
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<maloik_> woot, found the -servername option for OpenSSL
<maloik_> apparently there's an attribute 'hostname' which was nowhere to be found in the docs
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<zzak> maloik_: pong
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<ljarvis> zzak: u
<maloik_> nvm, problem solved! :D
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<zzak> maloik_: is it a doc bug?
<maloik_> well, if you call something not being present in the docs, sure :/
<zzak> yep
<zzak> undocumented
<zzak> maloik_: do you mind filing a ticket and assigning it to me? bugs.ruby-lang.org
<maloik_> yea sure, one sec Im going to ship this thing first
<zzak> thank you!
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<maloik_> once I'm done I'm doing this with my laptop: http://media.giphy.com/media/n9bZnI6nJ7YEE/giphy.gif
<maloik_> stupid thing kept breaking tests until I used git bisect and found a good commit
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<maloik_> then they wouldn't break again
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<maloik_> computers :@
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<maloik_> ugh, redmine your killing me
<zzak> ;)
<maloik_> seems owZ(r4Hjgfeq+DpYhq3v isnt a very good password for redmine
<zzak> you can file a ticket on github/documenting-ruby/ruby too if it's only a doc bug
<zzak> whichever is easier
<lianj> maloik_: why no good?
<maloik_> no clue
<mrevd> hey all, newb question. i was under the impression that all variables are merely pointers. so that in this example the original string would be modified. but it seems like that is not the case. is this an exception or am i misunderstanding how variables work? original = "test"; " new = original; new += " 2"; puts original #=> test
<maloik_> it won't let me in, that much is for sure
<maloik_> even my new 20-character password without any special characters won't work, despite having activated the account
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<whitequark> mrevd: you are misunderstanding it a bit
<maloik_> I think I'm just about done computering for the day :@
<whitequark> foo += bar is equivalent to foo = foo + bar, except foo is only evaluated once
<zzak> maloik_: i dont know the pw requirements, but we have a github issue tracker for our redmine
<whitequark> otherwise you are correct
<mrevd> ahh i see, += is not a method then… it's translated down. right?
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<whitequark> yes, it's syntactic sugar
<mrevd> thanks
<maloik_> I'll start there
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<maloik_> zzak: both issues submitted
<maloik_> on github
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<chris2> what's the state of the art approach to run ruby from ruby (and select the same version)
<yorickpeterse> `ruby derp`
<chris2> so, using $PATH?
<zzak> maloik_: thank you
<chris2> e.g. rake's ruby() works differently
<chris2> and Gem.ruby is again different
<maloik_> yw zzak
<maloik_> caused quite a bit of frustration :D
<gnufied> chris2: ri ruby
<maloik_> pretty sure there's not a lot of people using that stuff, and if they are they're probably quite a bit more experienced than I am
<chris2> yay, three versions all different
<maloik_> so not exactly a big issue I'm sure
<gnufied> wow that is weird
<gnufied> so running ruby via sys or FileUtils gives different ruby?
<chris2> both are rake functions
<chris2> but yes
<chris2> sys is deprecated however
<chris2> and FileUtils can be overridden via env
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<chris2> also great for arch to default to --user-install :>
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<yorickpeterse> thrindeag
<yorickpeterse> mmhmm
<jds> I've got a class which represents a document. It has quite a lot of code for figuring out whether the document should be public or not, based on whether it's been processed yet by a backend job, and what the permissions are of its container. And then it has code for reacting to changes in its publicness, like emailing interested users. I'll like to break
<jds> it up, & I'm looking for inspiration... any suggestions on particular design patterns to google for?
<jds> Is that a service object, that might decide whether the doc is public?
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<ljarvis> jds: conditionally extend it with modules (functionality)
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<Lennier> hello guys
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<Lennier> how can i refactor this code:
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<Lennier> favored = [1,2,3,4]; if favored.count > 0; return true; end;
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<Lennier> how does it should look like in the ruby-way?
<apeiros> `if favored.count > 0; return true; end` --> `!favored.empty?`
<Lennier> ah, much better!
<Lennier> thanks apeiros
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<jds> if you happen to be using ActiveSupport, favored.present?
<apeiros> also note that .count is mainly intended for use with an argument
<apeiros> use Array#size to get how many items are in an array.
<jds> apeiros: huh, really?
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<apeiros> jds: yes. count without an argument is one of 3 cases #count handles.
<apeiros> the other twos are with argument and with block
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<apeiros> I find code with plain count annoying to read as I expect an argument or block to follow and stumble when there is none.
<jds> count is one of the main things that breaks my brain when switching back & forth between ruby & obj-c (which uses length). I think #size is going to confuse me even further...
<apeiros> #length is an alias of #size
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<apeiros> (rubys obiquitous aliasitis)
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<yorickpeterse> how to get your laptop at 100C:
<yorickpeterse> start 20 rbx threads
<yorickpeterse> do stuff
<yorickpeterse> profit
<apeiros> pfffft
<apeiros> start a single flash blinky flashy app
<apeiros> which does nothing
<apeiros> just blinks
<apeiros> or something
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<jds> yorickpeterse: I did something similar when it rained the other day, to heat up my mac pro so I could dry out my socks on them :)
<yorickpeterse> not sure if CPU likes 100C
<yorickpeterse> 400% CPU usage, lol
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<yorickpeterse> I need a cool pack
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<mechanicalfish> yorickpeterse: quad core?
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<yorickpeterse> yes
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<yorickpeterse> crit temp is supposed to be 100C
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<apeiros> don't worry
<apeiros> modern CPUs throttle if they get too hot
<yorickpeterse> I find this silly though, it's next to impossible to get my Thinkpad over 65C
<yorickpeterse> this macbook idles at 60C
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<wmoxam> Can assignment methods be delegated via Forwardable?
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<wmoxam> nm
<wmoxam> found the problem :p
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<zzak> o_O
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<egnarts-ms> could someone please help me with the following conceptual question
<egnarts-ms> say, i want to augment Enumerable with a new operation, like transforming [a, b, c, d, ...] -> [b, a, d, c, ...]
<egnarts-ms> what's the best place to put such a method in?
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<yorickpeterse> don't you dare monkeypatch Enumerable
<egnarts-ms> monkey patching of Enumerable module doesn't seem like a good solution
<egnarts-ms> though i'm not sure
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<egnarts-ms> the reason i ask is that this is something i find the most inconvenient about most OOP languages, including Ruby and Smalltalk
<egnarts-ms> where to put generic operations
<egnarts-ms> maybe assembling everything you want to add in a single module and including it into Enumerable is the best variant
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<yorickpeterse> you put them in your own class
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<yorickpeterse> MyTransformerWhatever.new([...]).transform # or something like that
<yorickpeterse> custom classes don't bite
<egnarts-ms> yeah, but this is not really a message-passing-oriented approach that Ruby seems to follow
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<yorickpeterse> what?
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<egnarts-ms> :) i mean, i want to do something with an enumerable thing, so i send it a message "reorder" or smth
<yorickpeterse> You can still do that?
<yorickpeterse> You'd write some class/method/whatever that only requires #each to be defined
<yorickpeterse> a real world example might make it easier to explain what you're trying to do
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<yorickpeterse> meanwhile, I don't like people who *keep* giving the same fucking talk everywhere
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<egnarts-ms> well, that example with reordering consecutive pairs of elements can be real-world enough
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<yorickpeterse> you can just use Enumerable#sort for that
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<bcardarella> is it possible to get the binding of the super method?
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<cout> bcardarella: only if you are called with a block
<cout> or if you do something evil
<cout> e.g. use set_trace_func/fork
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<TvL2386> hi guys, I'm having some problems with inheritance, I have a little demo here: http://pastie.org/8548675. It's about redefining constants and seeing old values
<TvL2386> I don't understand why it does not work the way I thought it would be
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<TvL2386> doing "p self.class::CONST" works, but it looks ugly and I don't know why :S
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