apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<toretore> errors is an instance method
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<sebkomianos> toretore: hmmm... and isn't that my scope?
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<toretore> no, you're in class scope
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<sebkomianos> toretore: should I change scope somehow or is there a class method for errors?
<toretore> well, firstly you shouldn't be monkeypatching activerecord
<toretore> secondly, no, there's no class method for errors, raise an exception
<sebkomianos> toretore: shouldn't be monkeypatching in general or just on this case?
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<toretore> in general
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<toretore> just write a module that can be mixed in wherever needed
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<zenspider> minitest 5.1.0 released
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<zenspider> I'm confused
<zenspider> my rake task for publishing from my blog looks like this:
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<zenspider> "rake -s odd | egrep 'releases|blog' | xargs p4 add | grep -q 'opened for add' && p4 submit -m Added ... && ssh e /Users/www/zenspider.com/bin/webupdate.sh"
<zenspider> I'm doing a system call w/ it
<zenspider> and I've been consistently getting "xargs: unterminated quote" since upgrading mavs + ruby + omgtoomuch
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<zenspider> if I run it by hand, it works fine
<zenspider> if I run it by hand, it works fine
<zenspider> oops
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<zenspider> huh. looks like a bug in ruby 2
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<grahamsavage> how do you get the pg gem to use socket connections instead of tcp?
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<heftig> grahamsavage: by specifying the absolute path to the socket as host
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<heftig> grahamsavage: see also this: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/libpq-connect.html#LIBPQ-CONNSTRING on how to form a connection string
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<maloik_> good morning
<maloik_> having my first coffee in about 3 weeks :( couldnt resist
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<yorickpeterse> Well somebody is a drug addict
<maloik_> nou
<maloik_> it's the black gold
<maloik_> but I cant have any anymore if I want to improve my climbing skills :(
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<yorickpeterse> DRUG ADDICT
<yorickpeterse> DRUG ADDICT
* yorickpeterse runs
<yorickpeterse> But how so is it not handy for climbing?
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<maloik_> caffeine makes your palms sweaty
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<yorickpeterse> pff
<yorickpeterse> that's just climbing on expert level
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* TTilus and national holiday == sleep 24*60*60
<TTilus> \o/
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<ljarvis> ohi
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<maloik_> hey
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<ljarvis> god damn xmas is coming up too quickly
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<TTilus> preparing somethig for sale and need a bit more time?
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<ljarvis> no, buying christmas presents :D
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<TTilus> lol
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<yorickpeterse> bah, one of my finger nails is too long so now it's a bit harder to type at light speed
<yorickpeterse> first world dev problems I guess
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: get a nailclipper for your office :)
<apeiros> I've one - otherwise I'd chew on my nails all the time :-S
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<cout> I clip my nails then chew on the rough edges
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<apeiros> heh, yeah… done that too. improved my cutting ever since :D
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: our local Mc Guyver has a file
<yorickpeterse> my nails grow too darn fast
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<maloik_> Currently using this: https://gist.github.com/hannesfostie/3dee62a0164a5a713052 to connect to hosts but it seems a lot of them have terribly high timeouts... anyone know how to limit that somehow ?
<yorickpeterse> srsly, wrap that block in a method instead
<yorickpeterse> also websites are shit at latency, you can either increase the timeout or implement a retry system
<yorickpeterse> (e.g. retry 5 times, then give up)
<yorickpeterse> that's how we deal with crappy websites
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<cout> maloik_: are you connecting to these hosts in a loop?
<maloik_> yea
<cout> go multi-threaded
<cout> do each connection in its own thread
<cout> then you are only bound by the slowest one
<cout> (or even better, use a thread pool)
<yorickpeterse> those are connect() errors or recv timeouts
<darix> maloik_: eventmachine or fibersor threads
<yorickpeterse> None of those solve the problem of timeouts
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<maloik_> exactly
<maloik_> if it doesnt work in a couple seconds then fuck it
<darix> well
<maloik_> (I'll go multithreaded as well, sure, but still)
<yorickpeterse> The only actual fix is to 1) harass people to fix their stuff 2) get a server closer to the other ends
<maloik_> it's not just latency though it seems
<yorickpeterse> threading solves the problem of having to wait for responses/concurrency
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<darix> you could check how curl implements things like connect timeout
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<yorickpeterse> maloik_: are you sure the timeouts are on the other hand, or is your own network just shite?
<yorickpeterse> * end
<maloik_> the first one I just found is actually a site / certificate that's no longer valid
<maloik_> the domain is parked
<maloik_> so when I connect it just takes forever
<darix> maloik_: well if you just want to collect fingerprints
<maloik_> there's bound to be a ton of these
<darix> you could set VERIFY_NONE
<maloik_> hmm, I dont understand how that'll help the timeouts ?
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<darix> maloik_: you can say to curl "timeout connect try after 2s"
<darix> then you would only stall for that time
<maloik_> okay, but I don't see the link with verify_none ?
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<darix> maloik_: ruby will throw an exception if the certificate doesnt verify
<darix> no?
<maloik_> apparently its the tcpclient step that's taking forever
<maloik_> it's not doing anything atm
<maloik_> in the code I pasted, use 'bookinabox.be' as the hostname
<maloik_> the TCPClient.new will take forever
<maloik_> and then it'll timeout
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<yorickpeterse> lolol segfaulting grep
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<maloik_> hmm
<maloik_> I vaguely recall there was some kind of bug with that
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<darix> there is also the blog post mentioned from mike perham that might help
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<mikecmpbll> what's the advantage of implementing method_missing over using inheritance?
<mikecmpbll> for example, what'd be the difference between the proxy class defined here: http://www.binarylogic.com/2009/08/07/how-to-create-a-proxy-class-in-ruby/
<mikecmpbll> and using class Proxy < Array
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<darix> mikecmpbll: you can do dynamic stuff like
<darix> find_by_something_and_somethingelse
<mikecmpbll> darix: ?
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<apeiros> mikecmpbll: proxy is "has-a", inheritance is "is-a"
<apeiros> if you inherit, you may inherit more than you want
<mikecmpbll> but practically speaking, using the method_missing pattern is the same?
<apeiros> also IMO if you don't own the superclass, don't inherit. classes make no guarantee to not change implementation.
<apeiros> mikecmpbll: define "practically speaking"
<mikecmpbll> interacting with the class in any way
<apeiros> from the outside, calling a method will not have a visible difference whether it's inherited or invoked via method_missing.
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<apeiros> the object itself will have different properties. inheritance e.g. also gives you .is_a?
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<apeiros> subclassed_array.is_a?(Array), but !proxied_array.is_a?(Array)
<mikecmpbll> so is_a?() doesn't use .class?
<apeiros> no
<mikecmpbll> okay.
<apeiros> wouldn't make sense anyway
<mikecmpbll> what wouldn't?
<apeiros> since .class doesn't cover all that makes is_a? true
<apeiros> >> [].is_a?(Enumerable)
<apeiros> gah
<apeiros> missing
<apeiros> [].is_a?(Enumerable) # => true; [].class == Enumerable # => false
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<mikecmpbll> incorrect
<mikecmpbll> i just created a proxy for the Array class with method missing
<mikecmpbll> and Proxy.is_a?(Enumerable) => true
<whitequark> it's not that you cannot override #is_a?, #class, etc to do whatever you want
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<mikecmpbll> i still haven't gotten to the bottom of the point of the method_missing pattern to make a proxy in this way.
<whitequark> it's that it is a very bad idea, because it 1) prevents you, or even more so, anyone else, debugging your code,
<whitequark> 2) breaks underlying assumptions in unrelated code.
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<whitequark> such as, external code performing if foo.is_a?(Bar) then foo.do_bar end, where behavior of do_bar is changed by the proxy.
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<mikecmpbll> yeah, i know that.
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<yorickpeterse> bah, writing tests for scrapers is a total fucking PITA
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<momomomomo> yorickpeterse: specific site scraping or general web scraping?
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<mikecmpbll> how do you test your scraper?
<mikecmpbll> i was thinking about this the other day for mine
<mikecmpbll> do you have a local copy of the page(s) and test against that?
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<whitequark> gem install vcr
<momomomomo> mikecmpbll: if you're testing against a specific page, then you can use something like https://github.com/vcr/vcr
<momomomomo> or
<momomomomo> https://github.com/lucassus/vcr-proxy if you need to test javascript workings as well
<mikecmpbll> hmpf.
<momomomomo> be warned - getting vcr proxy to work as expected can sometimes be a weird web
<mikecmpbll> i can't really see the advantage in having tests for it tho.
<momomomomo> mikecmpbll: That's like saying, "I don't think I should test this crucial part of my application"
<momomomomo> if you rely on the scraping for anything, you'd probably want to make sure your assumptions are correct - i.e.: clicking x button will lead to y action
<mikecmpbll> but i know it is, because it works
<mikecmpbll> and if it changes
<mikecmpbll> then it won't work
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<mikecmpbll> so the application is my test ..
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<mikecmpbll> it's kind of irrelevant. traditionally i'd have tests because i want to know that i by changing one thing i haven't broken something else and not noticed. but because the whole thing runs constantly i'll know if something's broken..
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<crankharder> I read yesterday that 1.9.3 is planned to be end of life'd within the year... is that documented on ruby-lang.org anywhere?
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<ddd> crankharder: i've heard a few people mention that as well, but i can't find any official docs to that effect either
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<mikecmpbll> i don't think there's an EOL date yet.
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<crankharder> i wonder if there's a doc anywhere that outlines breaking changes
<mikecmpbll> 1.9.3 => 2.0.0?
<crankharder> I'd assume there would be warnings from 1.9.3 of things that would break in 2.0?
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<crankharder> yes
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<mikecmpbll> probably.
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<mikecmpbll> there's either none or very few breaking changes though
<mikecmpbll> that was one of the big things.
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<mikecmpbll> well, not none, but no biggies.
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<yorickpeterse> momomomomo: scraping for 80 different websites
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<yorickpeterse> using AB testing, randomly broken layouts, etc
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<yorickpeterse> And the current code is a total mess so I can't mock stuff, thus I have to use fixture files
<yorickpeterse> which are a total PITA
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<momomomomo> yorickpeterse: :p
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<momomomomo> yorickpeterse: What are you using to scrape?
<yorickpeterse> Ruby
<yorickpeterse> Currently in the process of refactoring this crap into less horrendous Ruby
<momomomomo> yorickpeterse: right, but do you need to wait for javascript for anything / interact with ajax?
<yorickpeterse> next steps will be multi-threading and Rbx
<yorickpeterse> n
<yorickpeterse> * no
<yorickpeterse> We circumvent all of that
<yorickpeterse> requires some tinkering in Chrome consoles but in our cases we can get around the JS
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<momomomomo> :p nice
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<yorickpeterse> fuckyeah, working spec
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<yorickpeterse> also fun: at some point I found out that a certain pretty big travel website Base64's reviewer Email addresses in the HTML
<yorickpeterse> which they claim to be private info
<yorickpeterse> I think I still have the code lying around to farm those Emails somewhere
<momomomomo> yorickpeterse: :( bug report
<momomomomo> I'd be interested in what tinkering you did with chrome
<momomomomo> for scraping I've had good luck with anemone
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<yorickpeterse> most tinkering is just turning on XHR logging and checking what stuff gets requested
<momomomomo> I modified it to suit my needs / use a PGsql adapter, but it was a gross adapter, so I scrapped it
<momomomomo> right on
<yorickpeterse> Anemone works if the page is "sane"
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<yorickpeterse> review sites are anything but sane
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<momomomomo> aye, there are a few different forks that you can cherry pick commits from to make it a little more reliable
<yorickpeterse> I've found that most of these spider frameworks work if you're doing basic stuff
<yorickpeterse> But we're pulling out pretty specific data, deal with AB testing, timeouts, etc
<momomomomo> right on
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<bradland> I'm looking for a good example of a Ruby library that is documented using YARD. Any links?
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<bradland> Eureka, Yard itself! https://github.com/lsegal/yard/
<|jemc|> heh
<apeiros> lol :)
<|jemc|> rspec is another good example
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<|jemc|> probably some nice examples of the attached macros and other 'advanced' features of yard in there too
<|jemc|> to clarify, they have their 'relish' page, which is more easily found by google and not using yard
<|jemc|> but, they have yard docs too
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<yorickpeterse> ugh, I hate Relish app "docs"
<yorickpeterse> Given I Want Actual Documentation
<yorickpeterse> I Probably Don't Want Fucking Cucumber
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<|jemc|> heh
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<pipecloud> whitequark: Your coldruby stuff is really interesting.
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<whitequark> pipecloud: I don't really think so
<pipecloud> whitequark: Why not?
<whitequark> it's pretty useless
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<|jemc|> heh
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<pipecloud> whitequark: Well, I was more interested in what you were doing rather than how useful it was.
<|jemc|> he's just being a modest thomas
<pipecloud> whitequark: I'm working with a friend on a systems language and knew you had some stuff on github.
<|jemc|> or perhaps a humble grundel
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<whitequark> pipecloud: which lang?
<pipecloud> whitequark: We're inventing one.
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<whitequark> anything to read?
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<jtoy> how do I expand ~/ in ruby? ruby says this doesnt exist but it exists from the command line: File.read("~/.profiles/test")
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<lianj> File.expand_path
<MrZYX> File.expand_path
<jtoy> that works ,thanks!
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<pipecloud> We're also working on a toy operating system. Currently we have just enough assembly to bootstrap, and just enough C to set up everything up to real memory allocation. It's pretty fun to do, but we're building neat stuff, we think.
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<pipecloud> whitequark: We haven't dug into the language yet, we just have the starting of the OS, with a first try at virtual memory management.
<pipecloud> It boots and writes strings to the screen though!
<|jemc|> anything to read?
<pipecloud> |jemc|: We'll probably make the private repo public on github at some point. I don't hold the keys to that part.
<pipecloud> I can show you the first passes at what we want our syntax to look like though.
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