apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_engine
<whitequark> "21 million cubic meters of sand" that's a lot of minecraft blocks. 21 million, to be precise!
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<Lewix> Is it accurate to say that in a method definition self is the object that calls the method. (I'm trying to explain self in a simple fashion_)
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<tbuehlmann> self is the object that has that method. the caller might be something else
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<Lewix> tbuehlmann: I don't think it's accurate to say that self is the object that has that method
<tbuehlmann> that's right
<Lewix> tbuehlmann: In an instance method definition - self is an instance of the class of the method
<Lewix> In a singleton method - self is the object of the singleton method
<Lewix> In a method definition at the top-level, self is the object that calls the method?
<Lewix> but it seems to me that self is the object that calls the method in any of those
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<ddd> its still self in all instances you just stated. that self has that method. its just the 'level' that changes. instance, class, singleton, etc
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<Lewix> ddd: I'm not sure I understand your point
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<ddd> it seemed you were disagreeing but maybe i misunderstood
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<Lewix> ddd: whenever tbuehlmann says that self is the object that has that method. It means that self is expected to be C in that instance - class C; def foo; self;end;end. It's not the case
<tbuehlmann> hm? self would be the object
<Lewix> ddd: I believe that a general definition for self in a method could be - in a method definition self is the object that calls the method.I'm looking for a counter example
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<Lewix> tbuehlmann: self would be an instance of C
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<tbuehlmann> correct
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<tbuehlmann> I don't get the problem
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<Lewix> tbuehlmann: I don't have one
<Lewix> 00:05 Lewix: Is it accurate to say that in a method definition self is the object that calls the method. (I'm trying to explain self in a simple fashion_)
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<Lewix> 00:06 tbuehlmann: self is the object that has that method. the caller might be something else - you disagreed
<tbuehlmann> yes, saying that caller and object might be different things
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<tbuehlmann> might the wording?
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<Lewix> tbuehlmann: so we agree i guess
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<Lewix> tbuehlmann: by the way, can you give an example - caller and object might be different things. I have the feeling im forgetting something
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<TTilus> you can think of oo method calls as messages being sent
<TTilus> then self is the receiver and caller is the sender
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<tbuehlmann> right, and the caller doesn't have to be the object itself
<TTilus> exactly
<TTilus> and you could think that the message content includes the method name and arguments
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<TTilus> or just the arguments (and then the mathod name would be part of the receiver address togethe with the object)
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<Lewix> TTilus: True. I mistakenly thought of the receiver as the caller.
<TTilus> the message analogy is imo the best mental model for clarifying concepts if one is mixed up
<Lewix> TTilus: What would be the caller
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<TTilus> message sender, as i said
<TTilus> messaging model is actually exactly what smalltalk promotoes
<TTilus> s/promotoes/promotes/
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<Lewix> TTilus: I mean what would be the message sender, is it implicit for the thing running the program
<TTilus> now i dont quite understand
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<TTilus> if a method call is a message being sent, then sender/caller is self at the pont where sending occurs and receiver/callee is self on the point where message is received
<Lewix> The sender is implicit, it's the object who is the owner of the scope where the message originated
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<TTilus> yes, you could say thet
<TTilus> s/pont/point/ (sorry about the typos, im on cellphone :)
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<Lewix> TTilus: I thought I was the only one chilling on irc on my cellphone
<Lewix> TTilus: on the bus?
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<TTilus> no, bed :D
<TTilus> sunday morning, what would you expect...
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<micalexa_> Is there a way to pass a hash to a method that has some default settings inplace
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<micalexa_> without it over writing it
<matti> micalexa_: Just do one inside and .merge
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<micalexa_> example
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<micalexa_> matti: I think I understand what you are saying, but is there no way to do this?
<matti> No.
<micalexa_> being that this is possible with regular arguments
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<matti> micalexa_: There is nothing that will make these merge automatically.
<micalexa_> matti: k
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<andrewvos> I'm writing a script that just builds code whenever it gets a github hooks...
<andrewvos> Was wondering why some of my scripts just randomly don't work
<andrewvos> I guess it's because I have to execute the script in interactive mode?
<rue> Have to == ?
<rue> And by interactive, you mean a pty?
<andrewvos> rue: Well the thing is, I launch docker with -i which means to not kill docker until the process completes
<andrewvos> This is inside my project code
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<andrewvos> And my build tool just launches project/build
<andrewvos> And the issue is, docker never enters interactive mode
<andrewvos> So I'm guessing I need to wrap it in `bash -i -c"bla"` or something?
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<andrewvos> Yeah I do mean a pty
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<andrewvos> Basically, my question really is: How do I launch a script and make it think the user ran it
<andrewvos> ?
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<rue> andrewvos: PTY
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<andrewvos> Meh
<andrewvos> Is there a bash tool that can do this?
<andrewvos> Fake a PTY
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<whitequark> andrewvos: script
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<whitequark> i.e. it's a bash command
<rue> $ ri PTY
<andrewvos> whitequark: Thakns I had just stumbled upon that. Seems like it could work!
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<whitequark> hey yorickpeterse
<whitequark> I've been thinking about parser performance
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<whitequark> try to measure the impact of tracking node locations in your use case
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<whitequark> if it's significant, it may be possible to make a non-tracking Builder to get you just the AST, and then, when the error is found, you can find the same node in AST with locations by its path
<whitequark> thus alleviating the cost for non-ugly code
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