#ruby-lang on 2013-12-01 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-11-22 18:08 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks

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00:54 <dkorzhevin> havenwood: Thank you, i fixed problem with rvm help

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00:57 <havenwood> dkorzhevin: nice :)

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02:27 <bubonicpestilenc> hey guys

02:27 <bubonicpestilenc> can somebody help me understand ORM-like shit? :)

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02:28 <bubonicpestilenc> example: order = Order::get(23); order.client.name;

02:28 <bubonicpestilenc> when you call order.client, it will run query e.g. S * FROM clients WHERE c.id = o.id; OR it was already fetched?

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02:31 <dseitz> Is this ActiveRecord?

02:31 <apeiros> bubonicpestilenc: depends on the implementation. it likely runs the query only when you call it.

02:31 <apeiros> AR would be Order.find, so I doubt that

02:31 <bubonicpestilenc> apeiros: yu're still here, o/

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02:31 <bubonicpestilenc> ok...

02:31 <bubonicpestilenc> i ran benchmark

02:32 <bubonicpestilenc> i need to fetch 50 orders with 7 joins on each :)

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02:32 <bubonicpestilenc> 8 query seperated = 110% slower than pure query "SELECT * FROM JOIN JOIN JOIN JOIN ..."

02:33 <bubonicpestilenc> in this case, ORM is not good, right?

02:33 <apeiros> ORM are rarely good for complex cases

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02:34 <apeiros> create a view and put your model over that view

02:34 <bubonicpestilenc> awesome!

02:34 <apeiros> alternatively: most ORMs allow you to do more or less plain sql

02:34 <bubonicpestilenc> That what i was looking for in last 5+ years :)

02:35 <bubonicpestilenc> my point: i couldn't understand why people using ORM, if it fails hard with 10+ joins

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02:36 <apeiros> because people don't use ORM for such things

02:36 <apeiros> (usually)

02:37 <bubonicpestilenc> ok got it :)

02:37 <dseitz> ORM generally makes some things easier for the developers, such as constraints, validation, actual insertions and a few other things

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02:37 <dseitz> you can drop down to SQL or whatever, but you then work in that environment only

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02:41 <bubonicpestilenc> tyvm guys :)

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12:55 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: ping

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13:02 <whitequark> pong

13:02 <yorickpeterse> any ETA on parser 2.1 stable?

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13:05 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: same as ruby 2.1

13:05 <yorickpeterse> bah

13:05 <yorickpeterse> well, then I'll depend on 2.0 for another month

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13:08 <whitequark> wow, 105k downloads for parser

13:09 <whitequark> most of which is likely rubocop

13:09 <yorickpeterse> or bots

13:09 <whitequark> no, other gems don't get too much

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13:11 <yorickpeterse> https://rubygems.org/gems/speedpwn <- 646 downloads, I don't think anybody ever actually noticed it

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13:29 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: yes, that seems about right for background level

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14:55 <jds> I use XMLBuilder to generate rss feeds. It's slower than I'd like, is there anything I can do to speed it up, or any alternatives I should look at?

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14:59 <jds> hm, https://github.com/nikitug/xbuilder sounds interesting.

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