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yorickpeterse >
HELLO GOOD MORNING
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: you remember that one time I said "lets write a linter for Ruby?" Yeah I'm slowly regretting that
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yorickpeterse >
fuck me Ruby is a mess for this
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yorickpeterse >
Scraper fuckup #1239120389123: expect that elements are always in a fixed order
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yorickpeterse >
and make no attempts to actually verify that
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pipecloud >
yorickpeterse: How did the acquisition of new pants go when you went SSD shopping?
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gnufied >
btw I always order used pants from Digital Ocean
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gnufied >
I mean SSDs
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pipecloud: fucking shit, turns out that "Slim fit" really means "Fucking skinny"
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especially after I washed them
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at least they were only 25 bucks so meh
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I'll just go to the expensive shop this week
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pipecloud >
gnufied: You mean you ordered previous user data on silicon. :p
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pipecloud >
yorickpeterse: Did you not try before you buy?
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yorickpeterse >
yes
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yorickpeterse >
my response was "This isn't too bad, if I wash them the fabric will get smoother anyway"
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yorickpeterse >
yeah
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yorickpeterse >
nope
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yorickpeterse >
I guess my legs are just too muscular for these pants
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gnufied >
pipecloud: I asked for new pants. but the previous owner had left his wallet and shit. can't help. I can set for couple of months
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gnufied >
s/can/am/
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gnufied >
not sure if to hate that shop (for giving me old pants) or love them
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gnufied: bro that owner should've explicitly told the store owner to take out his wallet
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and destroy it
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Yeah I normally am ok with digital ocean but that part is just fucked up to a whole new level
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their tech gestapo on HN is also completely missing the point
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pipecloud >
Me too.
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I'm an early adopter, and one of those DO passionate people. I even have voice on their channel. But lawdy, lawdy.
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cbreeze >
yorickpeterse : what's going on @ HN? got a link to the discussion?
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gnufied >
it would be bit self serving since I contract for Brightbox, but their networking stack is fucked up too.
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tl;dr HN is mad, tech evangelist of DO (I believe) is like "lol this is by design"
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The only reason I use DO is because they save me a lot of money compared to Linode (what I used to use)
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plus Linode got p0wn3d
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pipecloud >
Recently?
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pipecloud >
yorickpeterse: Recently?
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and since they were in denial about it I left
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yorickpeterse >
No, they got hacked a while ago
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yorickpeterse >
some whole story about how the FBI gagged them, etc
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yorickpeterse >
I'm paranoid enough to dismiss that as "PR bullshit"
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yorickpeterse >
it also shows that if it comes to it Linode will bend over, though DO will probably too
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yorickpeterse >
I'd love to move my stuff to AWS but it's too expensive for me
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pipecloud >
I'd like to use a Linode or DO that is based in free countries.
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yorickpeterse >
I recall that a while back that Werner Vogels from AWS said "What goes in EUW stays in EUW" so that would be one option
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pipecloud >
I can't really trust their word.
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yorickpeterse >
they're also nice enough to first ask wtf you're doing if somebody complains instead of directly telling them "lol it was those people"
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yorickpeterse >
(that alone saved $WORK at least once)
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cbreeze >
gnufied - I take it you'd recommend agains't Digital Ocean's services then? Always been tempting due to low costs. +1 for brightbox, i work for a company in leeds that use your services :)
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pipecloud >
cbreeze: They're pretty neat, they just have an insecure default.
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cbreeze >
Fair call. I'll keep that in mind. Currently sharing a OVH dedicated server at the moment, quite cheap price wise also
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jalcine >
the default's to help them save money, no?
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yorickpeterse >
I'd argue that it saves them anything
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yorickpeterse >
also TRIM, BLOCKDISCARD, etc
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yorickpeterse >
it's not like "scrubbing SSD data" == "loss of money"
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maloik_ >
not saying that loss of money is the actual reason, but don't you think they've done their homework on that if it is ?
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it's pretty easy to come in here and say "theyre wrong"
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yorickpeterse >
that implies they're the first to experience these issues
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maloik_ >
it doesn't imply anything, I'm just saying that there's probably a good reason they're not using what you mentioned
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maloik_ >
(if they really arent)
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yorickpeterse >
They turned it off by default because it caused events to take longer
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yorickpeterse >
Which I find odd since it doesn't affect anything, it's a background process. It's not like you can't create a VM because you're destroying an older one
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pipecloud >
jalcine: It's saving them man hours to fix.
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pipecloud >
It's clearly not a priority.
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gnufied >
yorickpeterse: all SSDs don't zero on trim
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yorickpeterse >
gnufied: depends on the SSD
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yorickpeterse >
either way, I think a "better" UX at the risk of security is a dumb choice to make
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yorickpeterse >
it's like saying "lets not use bcrypt/pdbkf-something-i-forget-the-name because it slows down reqs/sec. Lets use MD5 instead!"
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pipecloud >
yorickpeterse: There's a good quote around that.
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pipecloud >
It has to do with striking a balance.
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gnufied >
there are various options
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yorickpeterse >
if the balance means other people can access your data that balance is pretty fucked up
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gnufied >
(that they ought to know)
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yorickpeterse >
might as well hand it over to the NSA while you're at it
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yorickpeterse >
oh wait
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yorickpeterse >
coming back to bcrypt, there's a difference between lowering the iterations and just disablign it
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yorickpeterse >
they effectively did the latter
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yorickpeterse >
* disabling
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pipecloud >
yorickpeterse: Psh. scrypt plz
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pipecloud >
Make it actually a bit spendy to compute
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yorickpeterse >
it also at some point suggested "Galloping horses in 1080p" when I was listening to synth music
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either way, DO is pretty silly
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yorickpeterse >
I don't do drugs so I don't see that working out
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yorickpeterse >
(for me)
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ohsix >
HEH it's weird you'd say that like that
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yorickpeterse >
Hey now, I'm an oddball but that's because of what's going on in my head not because of what I stuff in my mouth/lungs/blood
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ohsix >
just the other day i got a crazy nonsequitir from someone i didn't know about acid and instantly knew that they were fans of 'the drugs' (there were other indications, but it was really weird to describe something as 'on acid')
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r0bgleeson >
yorickpeterse: some weirdo's stick it in their ears!
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pipecloud >
yorickpeterse doesn't need drugs to be fucked up. :D
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yorickpeterse >
r0bgleeson: wat
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yorickpeterse >
pipecloud: pretty much
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yorickpeterse: a joke =)
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yorickpeterse >
lol, so our national train services has wifi in most trains. The wifi is pretty shit. Their solution? Lets block Youtube/Spotify!
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yorickpeterse >
instead of you know, getting something other than the shittiest wifi there is
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grrrr, first world problems
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yorickpeterse >
lawl Date.parse
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yorickpeterse >
it can parse "September 2013" but not "2013-09"
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Jamo >
yorickpeterse: in "2013-09" it requires also day "2013-09-01" works...
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yorickpeterse >
yes I know that
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yorickpeterse >
but it doesn't make sense that the former does work and the latter doesn't
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yorickpeterse >
Well, partially it does due to the fucking US format of year-day-month
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yorickpeterse >
but I'd say year-month would be a sane default, ah well
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yorickpeterse >
and it looks like I might actually have a use case for String#scrub
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yorickpeterse >
oh, and I have a workaround
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yorickpeterse >
yay
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r0bgleeson >
yorickpeterse: Date.strptime should be useful there.
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ericwood >
I nominate that method for worst name ever
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ericwood >
I thought I recognized that name from somewhere
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vp0 >
hello! I need some help..
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<
vp0 >
i have nokogiri installed, but I still get a message saying "cannot load such file -- nokogiri (LoadError)"
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yorickpeterse >
are you using Bundler?
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vp0 >
please forgive my ignorance.. I get this while building some sources that also use ruby,
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vp0 >
how do i know if i have bundler installed?
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<
vp0 >
*** LOCAL GEMS
***
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<
vp0 >
bundler (1.3.5)
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vp0 >
bundler-unload (1.0.2)
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vp0 >
mini_portile (0.5.2)
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vp0 >
executable-hooks (1.2.6)
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vp0 >
nokogiri (1.6.1)
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vp0 >
rubygems-bundler (1.4.2)
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vp0 >
rvm (1.11.3.8)
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yorickpeterse >
Please don't paste directly into IRC
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vp0 >
that's what "gem list" gives
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yorickpeterse >
Use a pastebin instead
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yorickpeterse >
is there a `Gemfile` in the current working directory?
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yorickpeterse >
If so you must add `gem 'nokogiri'` to it
*or* uninstall `rubygems-bundler`
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vp0 >
I don't have Gemfile in my cwd
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yorickpeterse >
hm, odd
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vp0 >
yorickpeterse: i tried having a Gemfile with just the line you suggested
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vp0 >
but I still have the issue. How do i uninstall rubygems-bundler? gem uninstall is not recognizing it
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yorickpeterse >
rvm gemset use global; gem uninstall rubygems-bundler # if I'm not mistaken
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yorickpeterse >
followed by `rvm gemset use default`
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ok, time to find out where the hell MRI handles setting of `$0`
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I seem to have issues while doing "rvm gemset use global" .. Some basic utilities seem to be missing for the script (while they actually exist.. as if there's a PATH issue)
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might be worth asking in #rvm
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ok. i'll try there. thanks for help
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I have an array which consists of integers between 1 and 5 (both included). I need to create a new array with a length of 5, which contains the number of occurences of each integer for example: [1,2,5,2] would result in the array [1, 2, 0, 0, 1]. Ideas please?
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>> a = [1,2,5,2]; 5.times.map { |n| a.count(n) }
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bjensen82 >
ah nice. thanks whitequark. I didnt know of the #count method
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whitequark >
count(n+1)
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Right. Thanks mate
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Can I use the Gem class to check if a gem is installed (I feel like this is obvious and I am doing a bad job finding it)?
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ddd >
yes. Gem class will show you
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ddd >
sec. need to check where
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maybe better ways, but: Gem.loaded_specs.keys.include? "example"
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>> Gem::Specification.find('pry').any?
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oh, was going to point at Gem.loaded_specs :)
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i'm slower hehe. was looking it up on the class
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oh, but he said installed not loaded
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whitequark: That is returning true even when I change the string to something that I don't have installed.
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(s)he**
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i ought not presume
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i'm just used to using he as a euphamism for a person. i'm a guy so i think of a male. :shrug:
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Yeah, i was thinking installed.
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Gem::Specification.all.map(&:name).include? "example"
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Oh, it looks like that works!
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Thanks!
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ddd >
i really need to learn map better
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