<[[thufir]]>
is this a "bad" or strange way to telnet with ruby: spawn telnet 172.16.1.1 ? found on stackoverflow
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<SteveBenner9>
for example use ```js to start a block with specific javascript syntax highlighting, then on the next lines write the code, then finish again with ```
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<pontiki>
[[thufir]]: can you ssh in from a terminal?
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<pontiki>
[[thufir]]: i can't think why you'd want to spawn a telnet process -- how would you send it input?
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<[[thufir]]>
if you "spawn" a telnet connection, you can't really, or not easily, get the responses from the server? For a MUD game client.
<pontiki>
i have no idea how that could work
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<pontiki>
it's off in a completely separate process, different input/output/error, etc
<pontiki>
[[thufir]]: the idea behind expect is that you tell it what to expect from the server, and send responses to it based on what you get back
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<pontiki>
so it's particularly good at driving telnet services
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<pontiki>
provided you have a good idea what the interaction with the server is supposed to be
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<[[thufir]]>
ok
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<[[thufir]]>
I have something interesting: http://pastebin.com/LWwWcw6E it will connect to the game, and I see the output in the logs. but the output is *only* in the logs. Do I have to process the logs to get the responses from the server? like "read last line" of the log with tail or something?
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<pontiki>
[[thufir]]: i
<pontiki>
o
<pontiki>
crap
<shevy>
lol
<pontiki>
[[thufir]]: don't do something so ridiculous when you have the messages from the server right in your program
<shevy>
joyous expressions of love
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<pontiki>
[[thufir]]: when you send a command (tn.cmd(command_string)) it send it, then receives the output from the server up until the next prompt
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<[[thufir]]>
how or where does it receive?
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<[[thufir]]>
I mean, I get it that the tel object somehow has that data, a field somewhere, I just haven't found it yet.
<[[thufir]]>
yes, the "match" is what I want. I'll read more, but don't understand the usage.
<[[thufir]]>
yeah, it's a MUD.
<havenwood>
pontiki: Why they no SSH?
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<krz>
if i wanted to create a similar block to rail's before_save callback. where do i start?
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<havenwood>
krz: By looking at Rail's before_save callback. :P
<pontiki>
havenwood: a fair few of them just run off a telnet server -- they aren't running a shell
<havenwood>
pontiki: ahhh
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<krz>
havenwood: thats a lot of digging. wont probably need everything in its entirety. im trying to create a simlple callback block that i can use
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<bnagy>
Proc or a lambda?
<bnagy>
can't get much simpler...
<Heaplink>
Anyone fancy with compass + rvm?
<pontiki>
callbacks are pretty simple. you just stack up a set of procs, and when you need to run the callbacks, just spin through the array and call them
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<krz>
bnagy: i have a class Foo. with a method bar. how can i create a callback method after bar is executed/called?
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<bnagy>
uh.. wat?
<bnagy>
what's a 'callback method' ?
<pontiki>
write it into your method bar
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<sevenseacat>
oh hey i didnt know about byebug
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<freedrull>
byebug is nice
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<sevenseacat>
now i need to upgrade to ruby 2 >_>
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<eka>
sevenseacat: did you try pry?
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<sevenseacat>
yeah i use pry and debugger atm
<eka>
sevenseacat: binding.pry in your code and that will stop the execution with a shell there
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<pzuraq>
hey, I'm trying to figure out the best way to approach this problem in ruby. I need to associate a bunch of fields (arbitrary strings names) with values that could either be a variable on a given object, or a function which computes a property based on values of that object.
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<pzuraq>
I was thinking of making some sort of yaml file and eval-ing the values (which would assumedly be strings) but that seems rather hack-ish
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<pzuraq>
if this were Javascript I would just use a hash and assign field names to either values or anonymous functions
<pzuraq>
is there a similar coding pattern in ruby that might work?
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<jrobeson>
ok.. i take back my dark sorcery comment
<ericwood>
the initial version (which is very similar to the final one) was a hack I did in a few hours
<jrobeson>
i thought you worked with xsl
<jrobeson>
err
<jrobeson>
xls
<jrobeson>
big difference :)
<ericwood>
yep :P
<ericwood>
my excel2latex thing does literally no formatting
<ericwood>
I have an open bug on it where it doesn't format floats :\
<ericwood>
but apparently a bunch of people are using that tool, which was not intended
<ericwood>
gotten a few emails from grad students around the world...kind fun :D
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<zendeavor>
that's what you get for making it public
<zendeavor>
uninvited guests
<[[thufir]]>
I sorta got output for telnet to a MUD here: http://pastebin.com/bptn7sJZ I want to keep the connection open and wait for the login. code: http://pastebin.com/gu2CeJHh how can I use waitfor() to wait for a prompt or EOL?
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<ericwood>
zendeavor: I promoted it on a few Q&A forums where people were asking for tools that did what excel2latex does
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<ericwood>
and that's where most of my users came from...the diehard ones appear to spread by word of mouth
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<ericwood>
like, there's a bunch in germany
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<lxsameer>
how can i get the class object from an strign ?
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<flaccid>
specifically the problem seems to be ossl.h:32:21: fatal error: ruby/io.h: No such file or directory
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<lurch_>
hi, does anyone use or can recommend a gem for releasing other gems? (ie. tag version in git, build .gem, increase version number, commit to git)
<lurch_>
i know i can just roll my own with rake or something, but if it already exists, i rather use that
<flaccid>
i'd prefer to use git cli
<flaccid>
and build gem with a few commands. no rake needed
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<lurch_>
it's for promotion from jenkins
<flaccid>
jenkins can't run commands?
<lurch_>
it can
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<flaccid>
sweet
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<lurch_>
was really looking for a tool like the mvn release plugin.. it automatically increases version numbers too.. guess that's scriptable too, but as i said, if it already exists, no point in doing it again..
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<reactormonk>
anything fancy to talk with an REST API in xml? or just good old net/http?
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<lurch_>
reactormonk: not sure i understand the 'rest api in xml' part, but fwiw, we use httparty for our rest calls
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<bzitzow>
What's the best ruby courses available?
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<Xeago>
what to do against a soar throat
<Xeago>
drinking water makes it worse
<Xeago>
the swallowing is the worst to be honest
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<tobiasvl>
drink something hot
<tobiasvl>
like tea
<tobiasvl>
with some lubricating honey
<flaccid>
smoke some crack
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<Kelet>
Eat spicy ramen
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<shevy>
Xeago depends... if it is the main problem of if you got some flu or infection, but hot tea always helps alleviate throat pain
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<m4dm4n>
Hello Folks
<m4dm4n>
Can I find a ruby developer here? I want to talk about a problem
<tobiasvl>
m4dm4n: i think everyone here's a ruby developer
<flaccid>
talk
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<m4dm4n>
tobiasvl: Can I send Pm?
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<tobiasvl>
m4dm4n: absolutely not
<m4dm4n>
Why?
<tobiasvl>
just ask your question here, then anyone who feels they can answer can do so
<flaccid>
m4dm4n: learn how to use irc
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<m4dm4n>
My questions are about Low level coding
<apeiros>
m4dm4n: pm is somewhat "personal consulting", and that usually costs money ;-)
<flaccid>
m4dm4n: ask, don't beat around the bush
<m4dm4n>
Do you know anything about Malwares?
<flaccid>
that isn't a ruby question, next!
<apeiros>
flaccid: no need to be flippant. he's obviously new to irc.
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<apeiros>
m4dm4n: please, don't ask meta-questions. ask the real question.
<flaccid>
apeiros: flippant is good
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<flaccid>
hey don't be flippant!
<m4dm4n>
How can I Read ruby code and develop it?
<m4dm4n>
is it hard?
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<apeiros>
m4dm4n: ruby is a relatively easy to learn language. try and see.
<flaccid>
you can read it with your eyes and how hard it is depends on how stupid or smart you are :)
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<m4dm4n>
Good answer
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<m4dm4n>
I know ruby have amany codes but how can I start as a beginner
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<apeiros>
like any other language. you buy a book, you search google for tutorials, etc.
<mikecmpbll>
yeah, i think my bug bear is with array#delete.
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<mikecmpbll>
it's behaviour is inconsistent with all the conventions
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<shevy>
"Google App Engine applications can be written in the Go, Java, Python or PHP programming languages." waaah google hates ruby?
<mikecmpbll>
and there's no version of delete that isn't in place, either. often found myself needing that.
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<matti>
;]
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<visof>
hi
<visof>
is there anyone here using aws-sdk?
<visof>
i try to create elb but i got this error: .rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.3-p448/gems/aws-sdk-1.15.0/lib/aws/core/client.rb:366:in `return_or_raise': Signature expired: 20130828T095630Z is now earlier than 20130828T095754Z (20130828T100254Z - 5 min.) (AWS::ELB::Errors::SignatureDoesNotMatch)
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<visof>
what is the meaning of this and how can fix it?
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<bartj3>
Hi, i'm attempting to do a basic url validation but i'm running into an issue, i'm using URI.parse and expect a URI::InvalidURIError but it isn't thrown when trying URI.parse('im-no-url') (result is #<URI::Generic:0x007fb393c96c08 URL:im-no-url>).
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<_br_>
bartj3: Validating urls is a tricky thing. Probably you want to limit it to a subset uri.kind_of?(URI::HTTP) and if not throw a URI::InvalidURIError
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<bartj3>
_br_: the problem is that i don't expect the user to enter http:// or http:// in his url, or at least most of them won't, so i'll prepend if needed… but uri.parse('http://notaurl') still validates. Maybe i should just use a regexp
<_br_>
sparklr: For local development? It says it already in the readme.
<bartj3>
_br_ i'll look into them but in a an earlier search it seemed like most of them were way to overengineered, i'll let you know what i end up with ;)
<_br_>
bartj3: Its also a good idea if you are working with a web service here to throw in ParsleyJS into the mix..
<sparklr>
_br_: it works locally, no issues with that. I need to run on the aws server and on port 80
<_br_>
sparklr: there is a config.ru file, you can change the port there
<sparklr>
_br_: well, how can i specify the port and where exactly can i specify the port?
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<_br_>
sparklr: What kind of app server are you using?
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<sparklr>
Nginx and Apache.
<sparklr>
_br_: you mean rails server?
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<sparklr>
_br_: I've a ruby & rails stack installed on this aws instance. I cloned this repo. Now i want to deploy this app but i have no idea how to do it.
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<_br_>
sparklr: This doesn't look like a rails app to me. Config.ru means its using rack middleware. http://rack.github.io/ Rack has e.g. a simple tool called rackup that has a parameter for port, e.g. rackup -p 80 config.ru . That being said, you should put your app server behind a battle tested reverse proxy such as e.g. nginx. Finally, this repo seems to be indended for heroku usage.
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<sparklr>
_br_: yes true. But heroku seems to be too slow and so i am starting it on aws instance. The use case is similar for aws instance
<sparklr>
_br_: I need use rackup to start it, right?
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<sparklr>
_br_: how can i use thin app server to run config.ru ?
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<sparklr>
I've 8 ruby rack app servers running on port 3000-3007, how do I port forward in round robin from port 80 to each of them? ?
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<hoelzro>
sparklr: nginx can do that for you
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<sparklr>
hoelzro: cool. i cant find info on net. can give me search terms to this ?
<hoelzro>
nginx proxy round robin
<_br_>
sparklr: Don't do multiplexing this way. Use e.g. Unicorn or Puma as your app server.
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<_br_>
hoelzro: NGinx is doing well for load balancing, but letting the Kernel do that for you is maybe better. (Unicorn)
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<sparklr>
_br_: can you send me some good links to deploy a rack app to unicorn or puma?
<hoelzro>
fair enough
<_br_>
sparklr: Use the manual, luke.
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<sparklr>
_br_: im sorry i cant find "luke rack" on google.
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<sparklr>
_br_: can you be more specific or i'll appreciate if you send the links across :p
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<_br_>
sparklr: That was a pun with StarWars reference. Never mind.
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<_br_>
sparklr: Multiplexing your app manually e.g. starting 10 rackup apps makes no sense.
<sparklr>
_br_: lol okay. any good links to deploy a rack app using Unicorn or Puma?
<_br_>
sparklr: For that purpose Unicorn, Rainbows, Puma, Passenger, and many more was invented.
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<_br_>
sparklr: Unicorn e.g. spawns a master process which in turn spawns worker processes (as many as you configured), kills them and automatically restarts them when needed. Everything works via sockets and the (I'm assuming Linux here) Linux kernel handles the scheduling.
<sparklr>
_br_: this is so cool. But HOW DO I DO ALL THIS?
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<lotherk>
is someone using trollop and may give me a simple example of #conflicts? I'm 'new' to ruby and it's api description is not clear to me on the first sight. I don't understand what syms is (http://trollop.rubyforge.org/trollop/Trollop/Parser.html#M000006). I know it's an array but dunno how it shall look like. maybe I'm completely wrong. some hints on something would be great.
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<quazimodo>
so there's this thing about ruby that I'm seeing, that I'm not sure I like... which is making me grep a lot more than I'd like to
<quazimodo>
so what's the current thought among ruby dudes
<quazimodo>
extending classes ... scares me
<Armadio>
you mean monkey patching?
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<Armadio>
it is generally something that is not used but as a last resort
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<quazimodo>
Armadio: yeah i guess it really is monkey patching, only i'm seeing it in the same source
<sevenseacat>
re-opening classes?
<Armadio>
then it is just bad practice, it should be using a module and ocmpositino :)
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<Armadio>
*composition
<quazimodo>
ActiveSupport, on loading, adds class attribute accessors to ActionView::Helpers::FormBuilder
<quazimodo>
and it... annoyed me
<quazimodo>
but I'm not sure if it's justified
<Armadio>
oh, that? well, it is fine
<Armadio>
it is part of Ruby
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<Armadio>
I would still use modules but the Rails team are better programmers than me :)
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<quazimodo>
<- cries a teeny bit
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<quazimodo>
i once extended Date
<quazimodo>
then later I was all like 'but baby, no'
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<staafl>
what's the proper way to get all but the first n elements of an array ?
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<YaNakilon>
all the thing you ever say is 'your code smells', 'u have no experience' and other bullshit
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<YaNakilon>
probably you are too young
* sevenseacat
raises eyebrow
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<apeiros>
YaNakilon: um, lol? maybe you should get a clue then.
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<apeiros>
also, try some sweets, maybe you're less bitter then
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<_br_>
YaNakilon: apeiros comment was specific to the question, it was not just some generalism as you point out wrongly. What you wrote there is a plain old ad hominem attack.
<Hanmac>
*apeiros gains an heart-container - max life has increased*
* apeiros
humms zelda music
<apeiros>
thx Hanmac :)
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<apeiros>
YaNakilon: and yes, of course there are occasions where I'm wrong. but you'd be well advised to still take my comments seriously. chances that I'm *right* when it comes to ruby & coding are outstandingly high.
<tobiasvl>
but apeiros, maybe you are too young
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<apeiros>
tobiasvl: heh
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<tobiasvl>
i mean probably
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<YaNakilon>
typical chat nerd, thinking too high about himself
<bartj3>
isn't that a general programmers attribute? :)
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<apeiros>
bartj3: na, hubris is. and that's good (according to larry wall)
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<havenwood>
Hobbits make great programmers.
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<apeiros>
YaNakilon: you know, as somebody new to this channel, you probably should give yourself a bit more time to form your opinion. but of course, you can mark yourself by just blurting out whatever passes through your head at the time.
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<YaNakilon>
blablabla
<apeiros>
YaNakilon: also, you're free to use /ignore me and not be pestering around
<YaNakilon>
blablabla
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<havenwood>
YaNakilon: MINASWAN.
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<apeiros>
I don't live by MINSWAN. I'm perfectly happy giving certain people a helpful boot to find the door.
<havenwood>
That is nice, just nice to us not them. :P
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<apeiros>
^^
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<sevenseacat>
lol
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<_br_>
Oh man I hate marketing foobar. Wish there was a lorem ipsum like gem for that ....
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<apeiros>
buzzword generator?
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<ericwood>
_br_: faker not good enough for ya?
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<_br_>
ericwood: Ah like rand-exp gem. No, I ment real sounding text that could pass as marketing foobar with buzzwords and all instead of me writing this buzzword ridden nonsense.
<_br_>
apeiros: bingo...
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<ericwood>
markov chains!
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<_br_>
yeah they are great fun... did you see this one http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ it nearly passed a peer-reviewed conference ..
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<_br_>
apeiros: ah interesting, this could be it! :)
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<apeiros>
heh, scigen example is quite impressive
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<apeiros>
in a graph: "latency (celsius)" - hehe
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<apeiros>
my router has a latency of 21°C
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<_br_>
yeah the paper output is really good, quite funny. Not a chicken chicken chicken though, even more nuts. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/05/post_1/ aka Academia and Publishing is really in the toilet.
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<apeiros>
aaaah, yes, I remember
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<apeiros>
still amusing, but couldn't watch the 4min through :)
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<dweeb_>
Can I use mechanize with another http client? (excon for example)
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<platzhirsch>
Computing the average of an array: scores.reduce(:+) / scores.size. I have the problem, that this will raise an ZeroDivision Exception if the array is empty, any ideas to keep the computation short without using if scores.empty? 0.0 else scores.reduce(:+) / scores.size end
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<apeiros>
platzhirsch: fdiv
<Hanmac>
scores.inject(0.0,:+) / scores.size
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<apeiros>
if you're happy with infinity as a possible answer
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<YaNakilon>
platzhirsch what answer do you want to get as "average" if array is really empty?
<apeiros>
problem with averages over a zero size is that no value is really correct. i.e., where do you use the result? any calculation based on that should not be valid.
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<platzhirsch>
apeiros: no, but I didn't know this method yet. That will come very handy for my refactoring, because I am not a big fan of adding .to_f at all the computations
<Hanmac>
apeiros: sum.fdiv(size) would return NaN for empty array
<apeiros>
I use '-' in statistical output where averages with no input are displayed
<apeiros>
since the average isn't 0 there.
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<platzhirsch>
apeiros: true, but my method is designed to return a score on the compute method, that I implement this internally through the average is implementation detail
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<apeiros>
platzhirsch: nil or NaN then IMO.
<platzhirsch>
ok :)
<apeiros>
and handle displaying it as a non-numeric in the "view" part (whatever that is in your case)
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<YaNakilon>
platzhirsch: s = scores.inject(:+); return s ? s/scores.size : 0.0
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<platzhirsch>
yeah that's a good point, because currently I used the 0.0 then again to compute max, min, avg, median over a series of these results and using the 0.0 as part of these computations is just plain wrong, I would need to filter it out
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<platzhirsch>
YaNakilon: that looks nice
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<apeiros>
YaNakilon, platzhirsch: should probably replace s/scores.size with s.fdiv(scores.size), unless you truly want integer division
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<YaNakilon>
true
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<platzhirsch>
thanksk for the input
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<_br_>
oh those are horrible indeed
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<aedorn>
I also hate Windows updates... "we know you want to shutdown this hardly-used virtual machine, but first we need 45 minutes of your time to install 11 updates."
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<stepan_>
Hey guys, I'm a noob that finished railstutorial and codecademy, and am about to do an online challenge in a few days. I'd love to hire someone I can bounce questions off of as I go through it. Anyone interested in helping a noob master Ruby?
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<Xeago>
stepan_: so your asking us to answer questions that you come up with during an online challenge?
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<Xeago>
if so, what is the online challenge?
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<stepan_>
Xeago_: Yup :). The first challenge is basic questions on ruby, to make sure I understand arrays, hashes, loops etc correctly. It's about an hour long
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<Xeago>
Maybe you want to take some of my recruitment challenges? :)
<aedorn>
Xeago: I want to take some of your recruitment challenges!
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<Xeago>
alrighty, I'll post em, give me a sec
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<Xeago>
Please keep them to yourself, do not submit the contents anywhere, don't want googlers finding it
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<aedorn>
Wish I could have done code-based interviews instead of the garbage interview routine I was forced into to get new hires. I lobbied for a change for a few months, but HR's method was obviously perfect. =(
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aedorn: Oh that sounds bad, how is the overall coding skill in the organization?
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<aedorn>
_br_: If a select 5 people left the company out of the 250 something, the company wouldn't be able to get a product out the door any longer. So ... bad. I bitch about my company often. ;)
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<_br_>
aedorn: hehe I see... well hope you can keep your sanity there, sounds not so fun.
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<aedorn>
That's not ~250 developers, though. That's electrical engineers, circuit designers, product managers, project managers, software engineers, and so forth. And we can visibly tell which products are doing the best, which people worked on those, and the track record of those people. So there's actual data backing up the 5.
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<Lewix>
aedorn: I don't believe in technical interviews
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<Lewix>
aedorn: Just like I don't believe in GPA's
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* rlqualls
<Lewix>
aedorn: it's short sighted
<terrellt>
Lewix: So what do you do - hire them and hope for the best?
<terrellt>
aedorn: That, my friend, is what is called the "bus factor."
<terrellt>
5's better than here - it's about two.
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<aTr_>
hi
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<Lewix>
terrellt: I would gauge their passion, how much they like the subject matter with a few technical question but not for the sake of getting the correct answer but rather their thought process
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<aTr_>
I have strings like this --> "Peter 22 Jack 23" and I would like to save an array with the elements [Peter,22,Jack,23]
<aTr_>
what is the best way to do that
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<terrellt>
Lewix: That's admirable, but it's almost always preferrable to hire a person who can hit the ground running - you should at least be able to gauge the level to which they can do that.
<aedorn>
terrellt: I don't know. I think if 2 people got hit by a bus that would stop production, also. 5 all in different aspects, but I'm sure some can take over the others responsibility at least a little bit, which is why I'm not sure. I do know if all 5 were gone, that is pretty much it.
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<Lewix>
terrellt: that's a misconception; I recently read a good article about it with good data - let me see if I can find it
<apeiros>
first one modifies the array, second one returns a new array
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<aedorn>
Lewix: Passion is great, but most people can fake passion. I have a coworker here that's really excited and passionate about the things he's trying to do. He just can't do said things because he doesn't know how yet. We still need a way to ask people if they have the want to succeed, and the ability to do so.
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<Lewix>
aedorn: as I said, most HR agrees with you. That's the conventional way of thinking about it but I'd argue against it. It's very short sighted to hire based on GPA's,tests or technical questions. Actually Google itself is shifting is position and stopped asking for those things after getting insights from big data...There's a big difference between figuring out stuff where there is no obvious answer and knowing the answer already.
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<pontiki>
i still like to watch someone solve a problem while they show and talk through their thinking on it
<terrellt>
Lewix: It depends on the time frame you're expecting to hire for, too.
<pontiki>
and also how they respond when they don't know something
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<Lewix>
pontiki: I agree
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<pontiki>
but i've been interviewing ppl forever
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<LocutusOfBorg>
How do I properly close an Excel Win32OLE process? When I parse it, it hangs...
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<stepan_>
hey guys, I'm a noob who finished railstutorial and codecademy, and will be doing an hour challenge on ruby. I would love to hire someone who I can bounce questions off of as I do it. Anyone interested in helping a noob start to master ruby?
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<aedorn>
Lewix: That's why I'm advocating putting them into a work-like situation first. Give them a small problem to solve, see how they do on that, and then go from there. Not something like make optimize a red-black tree algorithm on this white board, or similar. Apply with your open source project/github account, not a resume.. etc.
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<Lewix>
aedorn: agreed
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<apeiros>
I guess the problem is one of scale
<apeiros>
a company like google can't interview all applicants personally
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<apeiros>
and that's when you land at "fill out this standardized test"
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<apeiros>
which has obvious drawbacks, no matter how you dress the test
<havenwood>
stepan_: I think Jesse Storimer is offering private lessons (he is most excellent!!).
<aedorn>
Our standard interview is resume, check for degrees and work history, and then ask the equivalent questions to "what is 2+2". Hire if we like them, and then see if they work. Our problem, though, isn't just this process, it's the fact that someone who does not work out will take up to 9 months to get fired before we can replace them.
<apeiros>
havenwood: oh, I'd love something like that for C
<havenwood>
apeiros: Agree, that would actually be pretty awesome. I think I'd bite!
<apeiros>
Lewix: I'm aware
<apeiros>
havenwood: I wouldn't just bite. I'd even pay.
<pontiki>
contract-to-hire is a great thing, but you still need to know if you want to even start down that road
<aedorn>
Unless this supposed new hire goes up to the CEO, picks him up and twirls him around like a midget, I don't think they're going to get fired any quicker.
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* apeiros
goes commute, cya
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<stepan_>
havenwood: thanks, I'll send him a message! :)
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<pontiki>
aedorn: heh, i was going along the path of this is how to get hired
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<aedorn>
Short-term contracts would be great ... but there's a whole other process for contract work and that doesn't generally end well here, either.
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<pontiki>
aedorn: yeah, sometimes companies install too much process for such things
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<pontiki>
i do think it should be hard to fire an employee, because then it makes alternatives more attractive
<pontiki>
such as replacement, transfer, shifting, etc
<pontiki>
re-placement
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<pontiki>
the contract-to-hire concept to me is the most useful. both parties get a change to really check each other out, outside of the interviewing process
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<pontiki>
chance*
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<superscott[8]>
is there a command to check which version of ruby a gem requires?
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<waxjar>
gem specification gemname ?
<waxjar>
yaml, though
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<zacts>
will programming ruby 1.9 - pragmatic programmers still be applicable to ruby 2.0?
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<_br_>
I'm driving an old model t, can I also drive a Tesla roadster? Sure, but there will be some new stuff.
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<zacts>
ok, I see what you mean
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<_br_>
:)
* zacts
checked out the 1.9 book from the library. just getting started with ruby.
<zacts>
I guess I'll check out the resources on ruby-lang.org for free books..
<_br_>
hope you have a good time learning, ask away if you are confused with something
<aedorn>
That's probably all you need to start with.
<Todd>
the rate of change within the comparison is a bit of a stretch but the underlying message is valid :)
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<zacts>
ok, I hope to learn enough to be able to do ruby tapas casts
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<_br_>
Todd: hehe true, please feel free to patch it
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<Todd>
zacts, imagine trying to fit after market parts for the model t onto the tesla roadster.. in my life that's a more accurate comparison of ruby 1.9.3 vs. ruby 2.
<Todd>
zacts, though since you're new that's probably not applicable to your current state or learning the language
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<zacts>
wow interesting.. ok. well I do think I want to focus more on 2.0
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* zacts
has driven a tesla car before
<YaNakilon>
which gem is the most nice to use for JSON RPC?
<zacts>
it feels like warp drive
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<Todd>
zacts, the amount of torque possible with electric motors is amazing
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<Todd>
zacts, I'm still waiting for an electric motorcycle
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<stef1a>
I have a ruby script that uses FileUtils and Find to recursively search a directory and do a regex substitution in each file. I want to do this from within a shell script. However, it *only* has the intended effect when I run it from the terminal, not from within the script. Why might this be?
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<_br_>
YaNakilon: It should generate client / server for you?
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<YaNakilon>
_br_ i am a client
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<zacts>
is learn ruby the hard way worth reading?
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<_br_>
YaNakilon: Puzzling. Can you explain a bit what you mean by RPC? Do you mean just communicate with a JSON based API ?
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<zacts>
I just can't afford programming ruby yet, but I want to go ahead and start learning.
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<YaNakilon>
_br_, there is a (not my) web server, to which i want to speak - it has json rpc and xml rpc api
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<YaNakilon>
actually i don't mind xml, if it has more update gems
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<_br_>
YaNakilon: Hm, I'm not aware of a universal 'give me your JSON RPC here is an interface'. XML if WSDL is supported can probably do that to some extent
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<YaNakilon>
the example in their docs has python: import xmlrpclib
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<YaNakilon>
and js example uses simple-jsonrpc
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<_br_>
not aware of this stuff, try ruby toolbox?]
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<YaNakilon>
looks like ruby 1.9.3 stdlib has xmlrpc!
<Nogbit>
is there a more clever way of doing these 3 lines so I dont have to use the ! for NOT operator..... http://pastebin.com/7RUS941d
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<dkamioka>
Quick question, wondering about overloading. I really dont know if it exists or not in ruby... I think it not...
<Nogbit>
YaNakilon 1 liner is more readable with them
<dkamioka>
well anyways... if i want a method to receive both a hash and a integer for example
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<dkamioka>
i need to check the Class type into the code of the method?
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<Mon_Ouie>
I'd probably always omit them after a method like 'member?', and go either way with the other call
<Mon_Ouie>
But since we're talking about convention, pwsData is not how most people name variables in Ruby (Instead, people separate_words_with_underscores)
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<Mon_Ouie>
dkamioka: There's no overloading in Ruby, nor is there multiple dispatch (which seems to be what your question is effectively referring to)
<Mon_Ouie>
You could check if the argument.is_a? Hash and dispatch based on that, but that might not be the best idea
<Hanmac>
YaNakilon: wrong!! "if !" similar to "unless" but not 100% equal
<dkamioka>
Mon_Ouie: so what i said is correct? Need to check inside the method, if i want to achieve the same functionality?
<stef1a>
I have a ruby script that uses FileUtils and Find to recursively search a directory and do a regex substitution in each file. I want to do this from within a shell script. However, it *only* has the intended effect when I run it from the terminal, not from within the script. Why might this be?
<dkamioka>
Mon_Ouie: Oh ic.
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<dkamioka>
Mon_Ouie: some sugestion in this approach?
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<Mon_Ouie>
Not necessarily. One other way is to have a method in all classes that can be used as arguments for that method, and then just call that method — that way you get the ability to tell your program how to deal with other sort of objects
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<Mon_Ouie>
But if you do something very different depending on what the object is, it might also make more sense to just have two different methods
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<dkamioka>
Mon_Ouie: hmmm understood. I'd like to use the same method... but i think you're right, maybe it makes more sense to use two differente methods.
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<yaaang>
Anyone know why "rbenv install 2.0.0-p247" fails with "/home/yang/.rbenv/plugins/ruby-build/bin/ruby-build: line 144: pushd: ruby-2.0.0-p247: No such file or directory"?
<havenwood>
yaaang: No #rbenv channel. Tried reinstalling rbenv?
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<terrellt>
Bleh, whitespace sensitivity.
<terrellt>
Not that it affects me as much anymore, but I have memories.
<yaaang>
havenwood: Odd indeed. I just noticed the rbenv log files in /tmp. They say it timed out trying to download. Already tried a couple times. Trying again, still seems to be failing. But again, wget on that URL works fine.
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<JimmyNeutron>
Anyone know of a 3rd party program that will allow me to convert a ruby program to a standalone program for linux? The linux system I want to run it on does not have ruby install.
<shanlar>
how can i extend a def of a class while retaining the same def name?
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<furryblade>
JimmyNeutron: add ruby interpreter's header, then chmod +x
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<furryblade>
ah it doesn't have ruby.
<JimmyNeutron>
yeap, no ruby
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<havenwood>
JimmyNeutron: mruby can compile a standalone executable
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<JimmyNeutron>
I can't install ruby onto it too because its a production server.
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<JimmyNeutron>
havenwood, Thanks! I'll do some search on that.
<havenwood>
JimmyNeutron: You mean you don't have root, or you can't install anything?
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<furryblade>
JimmyNeutron: also, consider JRuby too
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<shanlar>
Morrolan: so that code sample, from my understanding here, it inherits the explode def and you are simply adding 'raise ArgumentError' to it?
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<Morrolan>
It's not really inheritance, it's re-opening the class definition.
<Morrolan>
Which, come to think of it, is not what you want, probably.
<Morrolan>
Actually, it is.
<shanlar>
sorta is, i want to redefine a variable
<JimmyNeutron>
Thanks furryblade!
<Morrolan>
It just modifies the original class, instead of creating a subclass.
<JimmyNeutron>
I'll look into that also.
<shanlar>
so i think just reopening it would work for me
<shanlar>
ill give it a shot, ty :)
<Morrolan>
Yea. :)
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<havenwood>
JimmyNeutron: You can install JRuby and not Ruby? I don't get it! You're worried about dependencies?
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<ptwobrussell>
Hi - could someone tell me what the following kind of expression is called in ruby? i don't know what to look for in order to learn more about it: %|x y z|.each do |foo| … end
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<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: Iterating over an array with a block.
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<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: The delimiter doesn't change the meaning.
<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: It is syntactic sugar for a string (your example).
<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: Well, not sugar in that case.., sec finding link
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<ptwobrussell>
havenwood - this is just some code that i'm trying to grok from a configuration file. not sure if it was well-written ruby or not. just trying to grok it since i am running into an error that has something to do with str.each not existing in Ruby 1.9
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<Morrolan>
Well, not all of those tricks seem that evil to me. :)
<ptwobrussell>
i am planning to rewrite this line to be something that is intelligible. am i understanding correctly that i could rewrite %|x y z|.each do |foo| … end to simply be "x y z".each do |foo| … end ? Sorry, i know this is so basic...
<_br_>
Morrolan: shades of grey :)
<Morrolan>
I wonder how number 3 is considered a trick, though. That's pretty normal string formatting. :o
<Morrolan>
(As seen in plenty other languages)
<yxhuvud>
ptwobrussell: possibly, assuming there are no "'s in the string.
<yxhuvud>
generally speaking, people use %(somestring) when the string contains characters that otherwise would have to be qouted
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<Morrolan>
(Which normally means it contains single as well as double quotes)
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<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: Is the string a multi-line thing (where #each_line makes sense) or is `%()` and error when `%w()` was intended?
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<yxhuvud>
morrolan: btw, are you a fan of steven brust?
<jshakespear>
hey all
<Morrolan>
yxhuvud: Yep, that's where the nick is from. :)
<jshakespear>
can i pick your brain for a bit?
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<ptwobrussell>
havenwood - believe it or not, ti's just plain old ascii like %|foo bar baz| - i am guessing the person that wrote it was just too clever for their own good (or they reused a template that might have had something tricker in it previously
<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: %w() turns space-separated elements into strings in an Array.
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<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: just a hunch, but try putting a 'w' in there: %w|foo...
<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: (Instead of creating a String, create an Array of Strings.)
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<yxhuvud>
haven: well, if it broke when upgrading to 1.9, then the string version make sense.
<ArhBeOS>
hey guys, I need help understanding why I can't get past a certain point in my win32ole excel script. http://pastebin.com/qsR9m2Rz
<havenwood>
yxhuvud: oh, really good point - i missed the 1.8 to 1.9 bit!
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<ptwobrussell>
i just discovered is that i could indeed just change the %|foo bar baz|.each to "foo bar baz".each_line and it works now (and is much more readable). i'll try your suggestion as well since this is a good learning opportunity for me
<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: Sry, didn't read 1.8 to 1.9, disregard my hunch :P
<ArhBeOS>
using 1.9.3
<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: Don't try mine, yxhuvud was write and I was on the wrong track.
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<havenwood>
ptwobrussell: He reads better than me. :O
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<havenwood>
s/write/right
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<jshakespear>
any idea why ftp works on dev, but i get a "broken pipe" error on prod?
<havenwood>
^ compounding being wrong while admitting being wrong...
<ptwobrussell>
gotcha. i am just happy to have working code that i how understand :) at any rate, i have lift off. this was a line of code in a chef recipe that was holding up the provisioning of a machine. everything seems to be working fine now.
<ptwobrussell>
s/how/now
<havenwood>
s/brown/cow
<Mon_Ouie>
ArchBeOS: Well, first thing I notice is your main_worksheet variable is only defined in the block you pass to #each, you can't use it outside of it
<Mon_Ouie>
But you'll probably need to be more specific
<ArchBeOS>
sorry, i left that piece out. let me re-edit it
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<Morrolan>
yxhuvud: Relatively few people seem to recognize the name, though. Most associate it with Morrowind.
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<Xeago>
Does the GoogleNexus have a plastic'ish case?
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<Aloysius1>
Is there a "flatten" for Hash that returns a hash of key=>value, iow removing parent elements completely (and presumably overwriting or erroring if there are duplicate keys nested)?
<apeiros>
not sure I fully understand, but I guess the answer is "no" anyway
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<Aloysius1>
Given {a=>b, c=>{d=>e,f=>g},h=>i} it would return {a=>b,d=>e,f=>g,h=>i}.
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<Aloysius1>
I think there's a..."nest" or "deep" or some other gem that works that way, actually, now that I think about it. nvm
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<apeiros>
Aloysius1: c simply drops away?
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<apeiros>
you could write that kind of flatten yourself
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<Aloysius1>
apeiros: Yeah. And I sure could, it wouldn't even be hard. Just wondering if there was an idiom or a standard or whatevs.
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<dkamioka>
hmmm I think it should be usefull too
<dkamioka>
useful
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<dkamioka>
the flatten hash method.
<apeiros>
doubt it
<apeiros>
I find Array#flatten already symptomatic for bad code
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<dkamioka>
I particularly cant' see a use right now... but cant see why it should produce bad cod.
<dkamioka>
Hey one question: Case in ruby
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<dkamioka>
gonna gist it
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<terrellt>
cek: Gist your real code, let works n levels deep, I've done it. What you pasted in the channel is wrong - you didn't give the letted variable a value.
<cek>
as per those docs, context supposed to inherit everything except tests -- why it's not inheriting let{} then?
<Norrin>
apeiros, its 1.9
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<apeiros>
Norrin: then it depends on whether or not you've set an `# encoding: YOURENCODINGHERE` comment and your Encoding.default_* stuff
<apeiros>
also some ENV variable iirc
<apeiros>
ENV["LANG"] I believe
<apeiros>
you can force it to be utf-8 by setting the encoding comment accordingly.
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<cek>
well the problem is taht i was going through all those links and google searches and apperently they led me to tests that were written like "it does_something.have to(whatever)", all in one line, with no blocks
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<cek>
so i wrote a test "it expect(let_user).to whatever".
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<cek>
thus, user was evaluated in context{} block, not in it{} block
<Norrin>
apeiros, to get that right, a "comment" can be treated like it isn't a comment?
<apeiros>
Norrin: that one is special
<apeiros>
it must be the first line of the code
<Norrin>
gotcha
<apeiros>
(except for a shebang, then it'd have to be the second line)
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<apeiros>
there are a couple of formats (to accomodate vim/emacs I think)
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<apeiros>
the one I use is just `# encoding: utf-8`
<cek>
never managed to get that working
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<Norrin>
dang. i thought it was encoding::utf-8
<cek>
always used Encoding.default_
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<apeiros>
Encoding.default_ is about IOs
<apeiros>
not about string literals in your code
<apeiros>
also not about your code itself (and in consequence about your string literals)
<cek>
string literals? in code? i thought they should be yaml'ed or whatever
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<apeiros>
then it's not a string literal
<apeiros>
the very name "literal" means it's *literally* in your code.
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<terrellt>
Lol
<apeiros>
as in: opposite of being constructed
<apeiros>
reading a yaml file is a way of constructing a string
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