apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited
<jpagano_> i couldn't find anything on @
<MrZYX> every basic ruby tutorial should cover that
<Eiam> ^
<sebkomianos> Myk267: yes, my bad, available to all methods in a class is what I should have said
<jpagano_> ok… ill look around some more, was googling then searching for @ and wasn't coming up with anything
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<jpagano_> thank you.
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<maletor> Trying to debug a JSON decode error. Any ideas what might have happened here? https://gist.github.com/maletor/894d59fd75085e031336
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<mr`spock> lots of great ruby discussion in here tonight ...
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<jim722> i am a student and i need help with my ruby hw can someone help?
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<sam113101> yes
<sam113101> the entire room is willing to help
<sevenseacat> speak for yourself >_>
<sam113101> ლ(｀ー´ლ)
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<mr`spock> what do you need? jim722
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<ElasticElephant> what are the best books on rspec
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<ElasticElephant> that starts at a basic level
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<RubyPanther> ElasticElephant: I think "the" book is The RSpec Book
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<RubyPanther> But I'm only going by what others say who care about that stuff
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<ElasticElephant> what do ya mean?
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<Jdubs> I'll do what i can
<Jdubs> what's up
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<agent_white> < sevenseacat> compare where you're calling
<agent_white> mt :P
<sevenseacat> heh
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<gcds> Hello, is it possible to map ruby app method call trace like a function calls b function in b function it calls c and d function and so on ?
<gcds> it's like stack trace
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<gcds> but from start to finish of application
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<MrZYX> gcds: are you looking for calller?
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<gcds> MrZYX: not really I would like to see the tree or something similar of all methods called during the script :)
<MrZYX> so a sampler?
<gcds> like a -> b -> c, d-> e -> f ,g ,h , i -> j finished
<gcds> MrZYX: maybe but I dont know how it titled :)
<MrZYX> mmh, the TracePoint API should allow you to do that: http://rubydoc.info/stdlib/core/TracePoint
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<Hanmac1> shevy: http://xkcd.com/1296/ << "git commit"
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<shevy> hehe
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<TTilus> gcds: run your script with cpu profiling and get a calltree, thats prolly what you are looking for
<gcds> TTilus: I have found a solution using ruby-prof
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<gcds> it outputs call tree
<TTilus> it is a profiler :)
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<gcds> http://cl.ly/image/310C3i3W1003 This is how nice it outputs :)
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<TTilus> you might also want to check perftools.rb (iirc) which has really nice formatters and sampling that adds almost no overhead at all
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<TTilus> perftools callgraphs are imo really helpfull in giving insight on how the program performs
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<mikecmpbll> >> "!yadirf".reverse
<eval-in_> mikecmpbll => "friday!" (https://eval.in/76727)
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<movedx> >> "yay".reverse
<eval-in_> movedx => "yay" (https://eval.in/76732)
<movedx> :D
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<DouweM> >> class String; def palindrome?; self == self.reverse; end; end; "yay".palindrome?
<eval-in_> DouweM => true (https://eval.in/76733)
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<cusco> hi folks
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<folks> cusco: hi cusco
<cusco> I'm having troubles with a ruby on rails app: undefined method `fallbacks' for I18n:Module
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<cusco> am I missing something?
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<something> maybe
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<cusco> :/
<Hanmac1> cusco: #rubyonrails
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<cusco> thank you Hanmac1
<TTilus> cusco: dunno about that particular error, id guess you miss a dependency, tried the mentioned #rubyonrails, googling and so?
<cusco> I've been googling for about 1h lol
<cusco> thanks TTilus
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<maasha> were is workmad3? I need sanity check :o/
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<sevenseacat> probably hiding from you.
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<Hanmac1> maasha: check failed
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<maasha> damn :o) - then you will have to cover while he is undercover
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<maasha> So the idea is to imitate a unix pipe environment in ruby: https://gist.github.com/maasha/7e43691ea43ac098c33c
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<maasha> processing records (i.e. lines) one by one in a memory efficient manner.
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<Yuyo> hello, i'm trying to use the inline rescue, like this: https://gist.github.com/gfaraj/7823518
<Yuyo> but of course, that just puts bar and baz inside the rescue block
<sevenseacat> well what are you rescuing with
<Yuyo> i dont want to do anything when the exception rescued
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<shevy> you want to catch/throw?
<shevy> or begin/rescue
<shevy> for being/rescue, you can also use ensure
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<shevy> dunno about catch/throw to specifically continue at other points, it always reminded me of goto so I did not use it
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<Yuyo> hmmm, i found something online, this_throws rescue nil
<Yuyo> gonna try that
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<cout> shevy: it's more like setjmp/longjmp than goto
<cout> (and in fact it's implemented as setjmp/longjmp under the hood)
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<jsonwhite> quick question, what does the '<' mean in "class IdeaBoxApp < Sinatra::Base"
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<atmosx> jsonwhite: inherints methods of Sinatra::Base
<jsonwhite> ah thank you thank you
<atmosx> jsonwhite: it's subclassing IdeaBoxApp to Sinatra::base
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<atmosx> fast prototyping with sinatra awesomness
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<shevy> quick question
<shevy> what does '>' mean in "class Foo > Bar"
<IceDragon> O:
<IceDragon> does that work?
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<justinxreese> shevy: Foo inherits from Bar
<IceDragon> shevy: Its inheritance comparison!
<shevy> IceDragon hehe
<tobiasvl> i don't think so…
<IceDragon> it is
<IceDragon> class Something < Object
<IceDragon> :P Inherit from Object
<shevy> IceDragon I think the parser screams when it sees class
<ddd> you can compare inheritences?
<tobiasvl> >> class String > Foo; end
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<eval-in_> tobiasvl => /tmp/execpad-10ddfd106db2/source-10ddfd106db2:2: syntax error, unexpected '>', expecting '<' or ';' or '\n' ... (https://eval.in/76741)
<shevy> I once had this:
<ddd> yeah thats < not >
<IceDragon> exactomo
<shevy> def foo(i = 'bla', class = 'lala')
<shevy> and ruby did not like that
<shevy> :(
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<shevy> yeah that is '<'
<IceDragon> shevy: use klass for variable names
<shevy> that is german!
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<tobiasvl> EIGENKLASS
<IceDragon> O_O GET USED TO IT
<shevy> lol
<IceDragon> >> Integer > Numeric
<eval-in_> IceDragon => false (https://eval.in/76742)
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<IceDragon> >> Integer < Numeric
<eval-in_> IceDragon => true (https://eval.in/76743)
<IceDragon> >> Integer <=> Numeric
<shevy> It's like the word kindergarten... it hits me when I read it...
<eval-in_> IceDragon => -1 (https://eval.in/76744)
<IceDragon> cindergarten
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<roolo> Let's say i have guard script and i want to run code which require stuff from another bundler context. How can i do that?
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<Sawbones> Hey everyone, I was curious how you install gem's for your project
<IceDragon> Bundler ?
<intuxicated> bundler
<Sawbones> You don't use RVM?
<Sawbones> Sorry I'm very new
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<intuxicated> rbenv here
<MrZYX> ruby version manager war in 3... 2... 1...
<intuxicated> lol
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<MrZYX> Sawbones: bundler is for managing gems per project, RVM/Rbenv/chruby/your package manager is for managing rubies per system
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<olivier_bK> hy
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<shevy> no version manager
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<shevy> the filesystem must be the version manager
<shevy> and then a simple symlink points to the currently in-use version of any given program
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<roolo> Sawbones: If you use bundler, you can do bundle install your-dir-in-project
<shevy> Sawbones I usually use "gem install foo", then archive any new .gem into my local gem collection so I can reinstall easily even offline
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<CorySimmons> canton7: Good morning. I've been using WrappedObject. What is record supposed to do? It seems like it should do the same thing as reassigning foo, but it doesn't seem to work that way.
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<canton7> CorySimmons, the example should explain that. So if you do 'foo.test', that won't be recorded. But if you do 'foo.test \n foo.record', then the call to 'foo.test' *will* be recorded
<CorySimmons> Also it seems if you use the to_s thing before you log, it breaks your wrapped object.
<canton7> I haven't tested it much, though, so it might do something different entirely
<CorySimmons> So record records the next line, not the previous one?
<canton7> "the to_s thing"?
<canton7> 'record' records the previous line
<CorySimmons> record doesn't seem to record the previous line. :\
<CorySimmons> def to_s; @child.to_s; end
<CorySimmons> ^ that to_s
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<canton7> works here: https://eval.in/76746
<canton7> and what exactly do you mean by "use the to_s thing"?
<canton7> calling to_s? That shouldn't break anything
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<CorySimmons> http://i.imgur.com/FHsJTIE.png maybe I shouldn't be wrapping foo with YAML.load?
<CorySimmons> That probably breaks it on my end
<CorySimmons> So far as the record thing, it seems like record should just do reassignment as well.
<canton7-mac> yeah. to_s returns a string representing the object. You're never, ever going to keep any sort of state through that
<CorySimmons> So instead of having to type foo = foo.reverse, you just type foo.revese ("Oh! That's what I wanted!") foo.record
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<canton7-mac> that's what it currently does
<canton7-mac> oh, no
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<canton7-mac> if foo.reverse returns a value, I'm not going to magically turn it into a mutating method
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<canton7-mac> that's horrible
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<CorySimmons> I mean, I'd expect it to take the last line and do reassignment
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<canton7-mac> yeah, I see your confusion
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<canton7-mac> the problem is that I can't tell the difference between a mutating and non-mutating method
<canton7-mac> I would say that 'foo.record' is a very rare case, where you want to record the fact that you called a mutating method
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<CorySimmons> Ok np
<CorySimmons> I kinda see what you're doing with it anyway
<canton7-mac> if you want to change that behaviour, go ahead :) But I think trying to guess the behaviour of an equivalent mutating method is silly and error-prone :P
<CorySimmons> Yeah I think you're right
<canton7-mac> yeah, it's just if you call a mutating method like #upcase!, and want to record that fact
<CorySimmons> Yup
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<CorySimmons> Ok, so the record thing is fine
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<momomomomo> exclamation marks boyeee
<CorySimmons> XD
<momomomomo> they denote mutation
<momomomomo> or mutability
<canton7-mac> momomomomo, you're missing the context :)
<CorySimmons> How would you suggest I get this "YAML.load(foo.to_s)['client_name']" to work?
<momomomomo> canton7-mac: best I can do is jump in
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<momomomomo> haha
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<canton7-mac> CorySimmons, what are you trying to do?
<canton7-mac> you're passing a string to YAML.load. that string isn't going to have any methods called on it. there's no point in wrapping it
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<CorySimmons> It does have stuff on it beforehand
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<canton7-mac> I'm afraid I can't modify every method on every object ever to suddenly accept wrapped objects
<canton7-mac> if you pass a wrapped object to another method, you're going to lose that log
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<canton7-mac> (well, it might hang around, as long as you've still got a reference to it, but it won't start wrapping the thing you pass it to, or anything like that)
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<canton7-mac> Though I could make #to_s return a wrapped string..... No idea how sensible that is. I'm not keen on it
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<olivier_bK> i try to Including Other Files In Ruby i use require_relative 'BackupMysql.rb'
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<olivier_bK> but when i execute the script he execute backupMysql.rb first
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<canton7-mac> olivier_bK, so your BackupMysql file has stuff other than class and method definitiosn?
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<olivier_bK> no
<canton7-mac> so what do you mean by 'it executes BackupMysql.rb first'?
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<olivier_bK> what i want is
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<olivier_bK> when i execute the script delete he must to ask what url do you want to delete
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<olivier_bK> and after on this url i get the id like that
<olivier_bK> google.com ->>>> uid = google
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<canton7-mac> I still have no idea what you actual, core question is
<canton7-mac> and I'm not going to try and figure out what all your code does
<olivier_bK> and this uid has passed to BackupMysql
<olivier_bK> i understand
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<CorySimmons> canton7-mac: It's np. Appreciate your work on thi
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<CorySimmons> *this
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<Hanmac> WHY does BackupMysql inherit from StandardError ? oO
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<shevy> because it wanted to be important when it was young
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<aob> I have a hash with values of another short hash; I want to count the number of top level keys that have a nested value within its value
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<aob> eg {"thing" => {"name" => "jim", "age" => 15} }
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<aob> I want to count the number of keys with age 15
<aob> is there an elegant non-side-effecty way to do that?
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<MrZYX> hash.values.map {|h| h['age'] }.count(15) ?
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<aob> MrZYX: yes, precisely that
<aob> :))
<aob> i didn't know count could do that
<shevy> count can even count up to Infinity
<Hanmac> hash.values.count{|h|h['age']==15} ?
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<Hanmac> aob & MrZYX or better: hash.each_value.count{|h|h['age']==15}
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<aob> nice
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<Hanmac> with enumerators there can be more fun:
<Hanmac> >> hash={"thing" => {"name" => "jim", "age" => 15} }; counter= hash.each_value.to_enum(:count); [counter.each{|h|h['age']==15},counter.each{|h|h['age']==16},counter.each{|h|h['age'] < 16}]
<eval-in_> Hanmac => [1, 0, 1] (https://eval.in/76755)
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<dagobah> So, I want the number (count) of consecutive items in an array, where the "consecutive" in this case means items where the current item is 1 or 2 more than the previous.
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<dagobah> i.e [1,5,6,9,10].magic #=> 2 #(because only 5,6 match)
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<Hanmac> dagobah:
<Hanmac> >> [1,5,6,9,10].each_cons(2).count {|x,y| x+1 == y}
<eval-in_> Hanmac => 2 (https://eval.in/76756)
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<canton7-mac> >> [1,5,6,9,10].each_cons(2).count{ |a,b| b - a <= 2 }
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<eval-in_> canton7-mac => 2 (https://eval.in/76757)
<canton7-mac> darn, beat me :P
<dagobah> [1,5,6,9,10,11,12].each_cons(2).count {|x,y| x+1 == y}
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<canton7-mac> hmm, mine has a bug with decending sequences. dog
<canton7-mac> *doh
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<tobiasvl> canton7-mac: OTOH yours is the only one that recognizes "current item is 1 or 2 more than the previous"
<Hanmac> hm no canton7-mac i think your code is better, and it only wants ascending not decanding
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<dagobah> Indeed, only ever ascending.
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<tobiasvl> why don't 9 and 10 match though?
<dagobah> But I want the size of the longest "streak" where the "streak" is an occurrence of consecutive items (differing by at most 2)
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<tobiasvl> in any of your examples
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<dagobah> Never mind, it already does that .. I think
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<canton7-mac> ah, missed that detail
<canton7-mac> no, ours will just catch the number of pairs where the second item in the pair is 1 more than the first item
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<dagobah> i.e [1,5,6,7,8,10,11] should == 6
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<canton7-mac> wait, now I'm confused as to your requirements
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<Hanmac> >> [1,5,6,7,8,10,11].each_cons(2).count {|x,y| y-x <= 2} + 1
<eval-in_> Hanmac => 6 (https://eval.in/76758)
<canton7-mac> "size of the longest streak" is 4 in your example - 5,6,7,8
<tobiasvl> canton7-mac: "current item is 1 or 2 more than the previous"
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<dagobah> Not with the requirement being a step of 2 or less.
<dagobah> Hanmac: That's the one!
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<tobiasvl> >> [1,5,6,7,8,10,11,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,30].each_cons(2).count {|x,y| y-x <= 2} + 1
<eval-in_> tobiasvl => 12 (https://eval.in/76759)
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<tobiasvl> doesn't handle multiple streaksd
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<tobiasvl> -d
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<dagobah> Hmm, yes. [1,5,6,7,8,10,11,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,30] should be 7
<dagobah> (the 15-21 streak)
<canton7-mac> now it gets tricky, as you need to introduce a bit of state saying whether you're currently in a streak
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<dagobah> Can you group_by streak? Or use take_while or chunk somehow?
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<dagobah> Or each_cons(2).select -> count -> sort ?
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<canton7-mac> chunk would work, I think
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<Hanmac> dagobah: look and whine about that:
<Hanmac> >> [1,5,6,7,8,10,11,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,30].each_cons(2).chunk {|x,y| y-x <= 2}.select {|x,y| x}.max_by {|_,y|y.size}.last.flat_map.with_index {|(x,y),i|i == 0 ? [x,y] : y}
<eval-in_> Hanmac => [15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21] (https://eval.in/76760)
<dagobah> Oh wow :D
<canton7-mac> nice
<tobiasvl> holy
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<dagobah> You're too good.
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<shevy> He is good
<shevy> but he lost his sanity too
<shevy> do you all wanna follow his footsteps and become insane?!?!
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* Hanmac hums the soundtrack to animaniacs :p
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<Hanmac> dagobah: inside the chunk blockyou can configure how many steps are allowed to the next element
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<dagobah> :D
<momomomomo> Hanmac: nice chaining
<Hanmac> shevy i tryed it with lazy but it didnt make the line shorter
<momomomomo> have you been doing some golang
<momomomomo> what with the underscore for discarded bool val
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<canton7-mac> that's a ruby standard. you can have multiple underscores for different block vals, and ruby doesn't complain
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<momomomomo> damn, a fake more you know video
<canton7-mac> thanks, but I'm not going to watch a vid when I'm at work, I'm afraid
<momomomomo> afraid of watching a video at work!? sounds like a blast
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<canton7-mac> heh, "I'm afraid I'm not going to do this" doesn't mean you're actually afraid :P
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<CorySimmons> Hey I'm trying to validate if something is valid yaml. This is what I have http://pastebin.com/1DeFxdJB
<CorySimmons> I don't think it's getting the proposal_data
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<CorySimmons> Basically I need to call self.proposal_data but I'm not sure how to get self to pass through
<CorySimmons> right?
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<RedNifre> Hey there!
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<CorySimmons> hi
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<RedNifre> I have a jar that logs both to the standard output and the error output. I start it in ruby with `java blabla`, but this only returns the standard output. What's the easiest way to run the jar from ruby and get both mixed together, like you would see them when you run the jar from command line? (This is for logging)
<MrZYX> CorySimmons: more context, where is that defined, where is it called?
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<MrZYX> RedNifre: try #jruby, this is mostly MRI
<Hanmac> RedNifre: look at popen
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<RedNifre> But this doesn't have anything to do with java, I'm just asking how to get both the standard and the error output from a system command I run.
<RedNifre> Okay, I'll check popen...
<CorySimmons> MrZYX: It's called in the model proposal.rb
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<CorySimmons> I'm using validate :is_hashed_yaml
<Hanmac> RedNifre: or spawn
<CorySimmons> I'm about 40% sure I need to pass self to this somehow and get it to actually recognize self immediately before the proposal_data
<MrZYX> RedNifre: ah sorry, misunderstood you a bit
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<MrZYX> CorySimmons: so your assumption is "I don't think I get proposal_data", start by verifying that assumption
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<MrZYX> is proposal_data nil? does it raise NoMethodError? anything else?
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<olivier_bK> i try to pass a variable in another script but i dont know why i cant see this variable in the another script .
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<CorySimmons> [61] pry(Proposal)> defined? proposal_data => nil
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<CorySimmons> MrZYX :)
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<MrZYX> olivier_bK: you set the @uid _instance variable_ inside the new instance of BackupMysql?
<CorySimmons> But first.proposal_data works as expected
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<MrZYX> CorySimmons: it could be defined through method_missing
<CorySimmons> So I'm thinking if I'm able to do something like self.proposal_data (during this validation) it will return the right record
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<CorySimmons> What do you mean?
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<MrZYX> >> def method_missing(*args); args.map(&:to_s).join; end; [defined? foo, foo]
<eval-in_> MrZYX => [nil, "foo"] (https://eval.in/76763)
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<olivier_bK> MrZYX, yes
<MrZYX> olivier_bK: instance variables belong to an object, they don't magically appear in the main scope
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<MrZYX> so you need to expose the uid in your BackupMysql class
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<MrZYX> class BackupMySql; attr_reader :uid; ...; end; for example would create a uid method returning @uid, so you could do b = BackupMysql.new; uid = b.uid
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<olivier_bK> MrZYX, okai i think i see know
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<benzrf> hi, is there a way to save the current program state to disk from pry?
<benzrf> smalltalk-style?
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<MrZYX> benzrf: save-file ?
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<benzrf> how do i use it?
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<benzrf> and/or what does it do
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<MrZYX> help save-file
<MrZYX> in general, run help
<benzrf> thanks
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<rootshift> hi guys - any idea on this code kit error? http://i.imgur.com/HyCQyQt.png
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<LiohAu> how can I append a string to an existing one ? myString += "string" ?
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<benzrf> LiohAu: <<
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<benzrf> >> foo = "hello "; foo << "world"; foo
<eval-in_> benzrf => "hello world" (https://eval.in/76779)
<MrZYX> LiohAu: that creates a new string object and assigns it to myString (which should be my_string btw :P)
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<MrZYX> << modifies the current string object
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<MrZYX> what you want depends on your usecase
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<Hanmac> or concat
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<MrZYX> concat is an alias of <<
<LiohAu> i'll use << then
<LiohAu> thx
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<benzrf> MrZYX: or is it the other way around
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<MrZYX> dunno, probably the same C function attached to two names
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<dagobah> Hmm, this should be easy. Difference in seconds for a list of times (pre-stripped of formatting)? ["234154", "234204"].magic #=> should == 10 seconds
<MrZYX> always two items?
<dagobah> No
<dagobah> And I can't use Time.parse
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<dagobah> But obviously last two digits always <= 60
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<MrZYX> ah, that's hhmmss always?
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<dagobah> i.e times = ["23:41:54", "23:42:04"] to begin with, and I want difference in seconds for each
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<halogenandtoast> If I have a thread with $SAFE >= 2 shouldn't I be able to load wrapped files?
<dagobah> I though of tr'ing the string of non 0-9's and then doing the math.
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<benzrf> how do i add a day to a time?
<benzrf> or subtract
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<halogenandtoast> I get `load': Insecure operation
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<bugant> hi there
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<MrZYX> dagobah: I'd extract the last two digits: .map {|t| t[-2, 2].to_i }.inject(:-).abs
<bugant> anyone have been able to verify a windows store receipt in ruby?
<dagobah> MrZYX: I like it :)
<bugant> bugant: it's a signed xml document
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<MrZYX> benzrf: add/substract 60*60*24 seconds ?
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<benzrf> buh
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<benzrf> shouldnt there be a better way
<benzrf> ;_;
<MrZYX> you could convert it to a Date
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<benzrf> ok
<benzrf> well w/e
<benzrf> thanks for the help :)
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<bugant> I had no luck with xmldsig
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<_br_> Interesting technical Question. If you have two apps (1) wrapper project in Ruby/Sinatra and (2) specific app written on Nodejs. Where (2) needs to be embedded into (1), how would you approach this problem?
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<MrZYX> "embedded"?
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<MrZYX> like mounted on a subdirectory?
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<_br_> well, if you access (1) you want to see header, footer from (1) but main content e.g. from (2)
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<MrZYX> hm, okay. This hurts to say but: iframe
<_br_> MrZYX: Subdir? No, currently I'm doing Proxying.
<apeiros> _br_: compose with ajax on the client
<_br_> MrZYX: Outch.
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<_br_> apeiros: ah full client side mvc solution, interesting.
<apeiros> alternatively: compose with internal requests on the server
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<apeiros> i.e. main app queries sub-apps for partials and composes it
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<_br_> apeiros: How to deal with side effects from CSS, JS ? Different libs used in (1), (2) etc?
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<apeiros> _br_: no generic solution to that. have a clear "leader".
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<_br_> Interesting, thanks apeiros.
<apeiros> i.e. don't allow subcontent to dictate what JS/CSS should be loaded
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<_br_> That makes alot of sense.
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<apeiros> but it depends - if you have no control over the sub-apps, you'll have to taylor something
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<_br_> difficult though for complex actions done by (2)
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<apeiros> if you can, let the sub-apps only deliver data
<apeiros> e.g. json
<Hanmac> _br_ use sockets for comunikation ;P
<apeiros> and have all layout/js in the main app
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<apeiros> if you have mixed responsibilities, you'll be in hell quickly.
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<apeiros> (e.g. (1) uses jquery 1.8, (2) uses jquery 2.0 - have fun with all the collisions…)
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<_br_> apeiros: Yeah I'm afraid of that.
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<_br_> Probably even requirejs can save me from that.
<_br_> can't.
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<_br_> Hanmac: sockets? No, we use thrift here.
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<apeiros> if you have truly full websites as sub-apps, then indeed iframes - as fugly as it is
<Hanmac> hm i meant apeiros for the comunication between (1) and (2)
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<_br_> apeiros: Well in my case (2) is a collage application and (1) is a social website
<_br_> But I think the suggested way is spot on I just need to make sure I don't end up with jquery1.8 vs 2.0 scenarios as you said.
<_br_> Thanks for the advice :)
<Hanmac> for me irc is the most social thing i do
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<_br_> dito :)
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<benzrf> hello, is it possible to require a gem that i installed after my pry session started>
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<benzrf> ah, nvm
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<RedNifre> I don't quite understand what goes on inside a block I pass to popen3... in the block, I only do err.read, but it seems my code is blocking. My assumption was that popen3 runs the command first and allows me to read the output later... but I guess it is somehow blocking? What should I do if I only want to run a command and get its strerr output?
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<RedNifre> I'm also a ruby newbie, so I don't understand "stdin, stdout, stderr = popen3"... does popen return an array in this case which I split across variables? I guess the names of the variables don't matter and I need to take care to put them in the right order?
<f0ster> what would it mean to have a string after a class dec, e.g., class Admin 'roles_admins'
<s2013> isnt that C ?
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<oddalot> lol
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<Bira> RedNifre: which version of ruby are you using?
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<RedNifre> I'm currently stuck on 1.8.7
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<Hanmac1> you should really update
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<RedNifre> I know and I hope that I can convince The Powers That Be next week, but I need it working with 1.8.7 today :/
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<Bira> RedNifre: In 1.8.7, popen3 opens an external executable as a separate process and returns its stdin, stdout and stderr streams.
<Bira> Yes, it returns an array, and that syntax you posted splits it into variables.
<Bira> Your code is probably blocking because err.read blocks until there's something to read from that stream - the process is running in parallel with your Ruby process.
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<RedNifre> The code I call should finish after about a minute. Does var = stderr.read notice that there is no more to read? Could it get stuck?
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<RedNifre> What I want is that when the command is complete, I have its error output in a string.
<Bira> Later versions of Ruby also give you a thread variable there, so the call would have to change to 'stdin, stdout, stderr, wait_thread = popen3(...)'
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<RedNifre> hm... maybe i have to read all streams to allow the command to finish?
<Bira> I don't think the thread will get stuck once there's nothing else to read - the process on the other end terminates and closes the stream on its side.
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<Bira> Your remote process might be hanging because it's waiting for input. If you close stdin before doing anything else it should work.
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<RedNifre> Ah, I see! Even though I put all parameters in the string I pass to popen3, it still waits if I give some more to it via stdin?
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<RedNifre> so the command is sitting in a separate thread, waiting for me to close stdin, when I do that it starts going and I can read from stdout and stderr, which blocks, until the command is complete?
<Bira> That's about the size of it.
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<Bira> It's not separate thread, though, it's a separate process.
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<RedNifre> Okay, I think I understand it now. Fascinating.
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<RedNifre> BTW, I can't be the only one who is surprised that the default Linux distros you get all come with very old ruby? Be it Ubuntu, or even Rackspace cloud machines? Why is that?
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<RedNifre> I mean, my understanding is that all these old ruby versions are not even supported any more. Why aren't the latest ones present in the major repositories?
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<Hanmac1> RedNifre: liar ... recent ubuntu has recent ruby
<benzrf> hi, i'm trying to use scruffy to make graphs, but the output is always just blank white
<h0rrorvacui> RedNifre just use arch.
<h0rrorvacui> Repo's are up to 2.0.0
<h0rrorvacui> If your service provider has it.
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<Bira> I tend to use a separate Ruby version manager like rbenv or RVM to install my own version of ruby in my environment :).
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<RedNifre> How many compatibility breaks does ruby have? Was it just that one between 1.8.something and 2.something?
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<Bira> RedNifre: The jump from 1.8.7 to 1.9.3 is a pretty large one.
<momomomomo> Bira: Most people do :p
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<h0rrorvacui> except I prefer chruby now
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<Bira> h0rrorvacui: Any of them do the job just fine, which one you use is mostly down to personal preference.
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<havenwood> RedNifre: 1.8 to 1.9 has a number of breaking changes. Not painful at all to bump from 1.9 to 2.0, or 2.0 to 2.1, etc.
<h0rrorvacui> havenwood converted me
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<havenwood> :D
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<RedNifre> Hm, it still hangs... should this work?:
<RedNifre> stdin, stdout, stderr = Open3.popen3(cmd)
<RedNifre> stdin.close
<RedNifre> return output
<RedNifre> output = stderr.read
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<Hanmac1> havenwood: there was a breaking change from 1.8.6 to 1.8.7 :D
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<havenwood> Hanmac1: Long live 2.1!
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<momomomomo> rationals will be neat.
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<havenwood> RedNifre: ruby-install is the tool i like to use to build the Ruby i want: https://github.com/postmodern/ruby-install#readme
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<RedNifre> Thanks havenwood.
<benzrf> excuse me but can anybody help :[
<Hanmac> RedNifre: or use update-alternatives .... but i think your ubuntu is outdated too
<RedNifre> Ah, I figured it out! I had the random guess that you first have to close stdin, then read and close stdout, then read and close stderr. That way it didn't block and I got all the info I needed :)
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<lmmx> I have a working regex in Rubular but I can't get it to work with .scan, can anyone help? http://rubular.com/r/f3Tw8c73Cl
<RedNifre> Well, I got burned by non-LTS-versions so I wanted to stick to 12.04... but maybe I should get the latest one.
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<RedNifre> I guess installing the latest ruby on all desktops, rackspaces and amazon machines might be easier than saying "it's just a tiny script, that should be doable with the old ruby"
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<momomomomo> RedNifre: a base ruby package is no reason to leave the LTS
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<RedNifre> Yes, I'll stick with lts and use one of those ruby installers to update just ruby.
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<RedNifre> BTW, are there objective arguments in the python vs ruby debate? Ruby is in the minority over here, but shouldn't it be somehow better if Matz was inspired by python?
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<momomomomo> Silly question
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<benzrf> RedNifre: v. silly question
<benzrf> RedNifre: ruby is better *to matz*
<benzrf> not necessarily to everybody who likes python
<RedNifre> So python and ruby have the same goal and it is purely personal taste which one you use?
<benzrf> mostlybadfly:
<benzrf> *mostly
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<benzrf> RedNifre: anyway, there are few objective arguments at *all* when arguing over choice of PL
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<benzrf> at least, for onces as close in niche as py/rb
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<cout> RedNifre: actually it's the other way around. python is highly influenced by ruby.
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<cout> particularly features added after version 2.2
<benzrf> cout: wat
<RedNifre> Really? I thought python was older and it was one of Matz' favorite languages.
<Hanmac> imo ruby is pythons evil twin sister ;P
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<benzrf> python is older
<cout> RedNifre: python is _slightly_ older, and there is some python influence in ruby
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<RedNifre> I only heard that they copied the gems and called them eggs, which is just adorable :)
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<mostlybadfly> benzrf: :)
<benzrf> RedNifre: egg files
<benzrf> RedNifre: and idk if they copied those
<benzrf> RedNifre: maybe
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<cout> but python eventually adopted ruby's object model, added yield, has experimented with all sorts of ideas to facilitate writing DSLs, etc
<benzrf> RedNifre: anyway theyre switching to wheel files
<benzrf> cout: no they did notbrent__
<benzrf> *not
<benzrf> cout: py's object model is v. different from ruby's
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<benzrf> in fact it is closer to JS
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<benzrf> and I do not think yield is from ruby
<benzrf> it doesn't do anything even close to similar
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<havenwood> RedNifre: Python violates Tennet's Correspondence Principle and Ruby doesn't. Wycatz gave a great talk on "Why Ruby isn't Python", but it is hard to find a link to it these days.
<havenwood> RedNifre: Ruby having blocks is reason enough alone to forsake the snake.
<cout> benzrf: of course python's yield works differently under the hood, because they had to shoehorn it into their existing iterators
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<cout> benzrf: but the entire impetus behind adding it was a direct result of ruby's popularity
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<havenwood> RedNifre: They serve a very similar role. I think pick your poison. I very much prefer Ruby.
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<benzrf> cout: what
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<benzrf> cout: the semantics are entirely different from what it does in ruby
<benzrf> cout: the name is the only thing that's the same
<RedNifre> I guess I know way too little about both languages, so I'll stick to ruby for now because I encountered it first :)
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<benzrf> cout: yield in ruby yields control to the block passed in, while yield in python yields control to the caller
<RedNifre> How does python have yield but not blocks? I only use yield to execute a block, what does it do if you don't have blocks?
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<benzrf> RedNifre: it's a completely different thing
<benzrf> RedNifre: [in python]
<cout> benzrf: and python's object model is nothing like JS/self. it's a single-inheritance-faking-multiple-inheritance model (if you look at how super works in the case of the diamond pattern)
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<benzrf> cout: excuse me? what does MI have to do with it not being like JS.
<benzrf> *?
<cout> benzrf: sorry, I don't have time to argue about this with you.
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<benzrf> lol
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<benzrf> trolling: (y)
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<RedNifre> Has anyone ever written a serious ruby app in android, ever? I asked the Ruboto mailing list for an example, but didn't get an answer.
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<CorySimmons> Hey guys, anyone care to help me debug this bit of code? I can't see what I'm doing wrong.. http://pastebin.com/BfhpXWqz
<CorySimmons> RedNifre: No but I'm a newb ;)
<RedNifre> (I'm asking because I just started an Android app, but encountered ruby in the past weeks and already love it way more than Java, but I wonder how feasible it is for actual apps. (The ruboto people say "It's perfect!", but I'd like to see a serious app first))
<CorySimmons> I didn't even realize you could interchange languages for app dev
<CorySimmons> Native app dev anyway
<CorySimmons> I thought you were restricted to Java because of the Android SDK?
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<havenwood> CorySimmons: Android requires a JVM language, so JRuby.
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<CorySimmons> Ah I see
<havenwood> CorySimmons: Java, Scala, Clojure, JRuby all have good support for Android afaik.
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<Ibuprofen> I'd like to call a grape API endpoint in a rails view/helper, has anyone done this? Or know how to go about calling the endpoint without making the request?
<RedNifre> Yeah, Ruboto is basically JRuby plus an Android API.
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<benzrf> /c/c
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<CorySimmons> havenwood: Is there something similar for iPhone?
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<havenwood> CorySimmons: MobiRuby and RubyMotion
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<RedNifre> Yes, Apple lifted their interpreted language ban, luckily.
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<havenwood> RubyMotion is actually based on Apple's creation, MacRuby, which compiles Ruby to the equivalent Objective-C. MacRuby comes preinstalled on all Macs.
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<havenwood> MobiRuby on the other hand uses mruby.
<havenwood> In the future MobiRuby should work on iOS and Android.
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<havenwood> Yay for mruby!! FRIDAY \o/
<RedNifre> Do you guys use IDEs? I heard the rumor that most ruby developers only use enhanced text editors, which I find a bit surprising.
<havenwood> RedNifre: A terminal and text editor. :)
<CorySimmons> So you can do mobile app development straight from one Ruby package? :\
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<CorySimmons> And get it native?
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<CorySimmons> *package = app
<havenwood> CorySimmons: mruby is what Matz, the creator of Ruby is now working on - really neat stuff
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<havenwood> CorySimmons: can run on the metal without an OS, or be embedded in another language
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<havenwood> CorySimmons: So now you can run Ruby on your toaster. And a nice alternative to Lua for embedding in games, etc.
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<s2013> doesnt rubymotion work for ios havenwood n
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<havenwood> s2013: yes
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<s2013> have you used it?
<havenwood> s2013: compiles to obj-c, so iOS and OS X - nope, i've never done a mobile app
<s2013> oh ok
<s2013> i dont know if i should learn rubymotion or contiue learning objective-c
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<s2013> since im more familiar with ruby
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<Dreamer3> https://github.com/silentgrowl/isis/blob/master/plugins/isup/isup.rb how can this work? isn't domain a local variable to scrape?
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<havenwood> CorySimmons: Here's a fizz buzz example in mruby that compiles the fizzbuzz.rb to an Array of C byte code, then a little C wrapper in fizzbuzz.c, compile that and you've got a fizz buzz that runs without a Ruby interpreter: https://github.com/havenwood/mruby-fizzbuzz
<havenwood> >.>
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<DanBoy> Dreamer3, domain = @commands[1]
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<DanBoy> the whole class has access to instance variables
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<havenwood> Ibuprofen: The Grape API is running on the same server? Can you just make the request to the socket Grape is running on? You've got to communicate between the two processes somehow.
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<havenwood> RedNifre: TextMate 2 with zsh and Pry is the setup I like. Sublime Text is popular though as a cross platform editor (TM is OS X only).
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<DanBoy> i gotta try zsh now
<Dreamer3> DanBoy: but domain is a local variable
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<Dreamer3> my question is how does domain work inside response_html
<havenwood> DanBoy: I like it, i'm lazy and forgetful and it helps mitigate the damage. :P
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<Ibuprofen> havenwood: The grape API is mounted in the same codebase as the rails app. I guess they are in the same process?
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<DanBoy> you're sure the code actually works
<RedNifre> Can TextMate/sublime tell me where in the project I call a particular method? What about IntelliJ for ruby?
<DanBoy> Dreamer3,
<Ibuprofen> I'm really just trying to bootstrap backbone models via the API
<havenwood> Ibuprofen: Oh, i totally misunderstood.
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<Dreamer3> DanBoy: nope but it's committed to github :) i've only read it so far
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<havenwood> RedNifre: That is were Pry comes in. Pry is quite powerful: http://pryrepl.org/
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<RedNifre> I can't even estimate how much I don't know about ruby.
<havenwood> RedNifre: I'd recommend trying the Ruby REPL-based approach before you fall back on an IDE.
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<RedNifre> I mean, the language is nice and I think I understand the basics, but there seems to be an infinite amount of stuff in the ecosystem that you should know about if you want to work efficiently.
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<havenwood> RedNifre: If you must ide, i think RubyMine is one of the more popular ones. You should be able to get a free demo version.
<DanBoy> you mean gems?
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<havenwood> RedNifre: The Ruby Toolbox can be helpful in finding gems: https://www.ruby-toolbox.com/
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<DanBoy> Dreamer3, i have no idea
<DanBoy> RedNifre, i also use sublime and a terminal
<DanBoy> a friend of mine uses ruby mine though
<burlyscudd> RedNifre: RubyMine is absolutely invaluable for larger codebases
<DanBoy> it looks good
<Hanmac> CorySimmons & havenwood you can run mruby in your efi shell
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<burlyscudd> my whole team went to it slowly
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<havenwood> Hanmac: that is just nuts ;)
<burlyscudd> if you like Vim, the IdeaVIM plugin is a must
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<RedNifre> Thanks, I'll check those :)
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<burlyscudd> i love vim, i love my plugins — and I have *no idea* why people hate on IDEs in the Ruby world. RubyMine is an unbelievably powerful tool. Well worth the price.
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<Hanmac> RedNifre: "IntelliJ for ruby" can only be incomplete, because ruby is very dynamic, not like C++
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<burlyscudd> RedNifre: RubyMine can find all usages very easily, yes
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<burlyscudd> obviously Ruby itself makes this hard in some scenarios
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<shevy> Hanmac how did you learn C++
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<Hanmac> shevy: while my education as IT programmer i learned C and also C++
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* apeiros is happy and he knows *claps his hands*
<apeiros> drats, how can I mess that one up?
* apeiros is happy and he knows it *claps his hands*
<pontiki> it's not the hokey-pokey
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<apeiros> I got 4 weeks of holidays
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<apeiros> that's already awesome
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<apeiros> but even more awesome - after those 4 weeks, I still have >50 days left
<pontiki> wow! \o/
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<shevy> swiss paradise
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<shevy> AND schokli on top of that :(
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<apeiros> I hope I'll work quite a bit on FOSS
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<Baluse> hello does ruby server eg run only 4 proccess of ruby meaning 4 ruby requests parallel?
* Hanmac can clap with one hand
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<shevy> Hanmac you are crazy
<shevy> Baluse what is a "ruby server"?
<burlyscudd> Hanmac: that's zen
<havenwood> Baluse: Each of the four processes could have 12 threads and each thread could have an event machine. Totally depends how you do it, there are many options that combine forking, threading and evented-io.
<Baluse> container i mean whaever
<Hanmac> shevy: you cant prove that! ;P
<Baluse> ok because they told me oonly 4
<burlyscudd> lol
<burlyscudd> "and for some raeson it was bug"
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<omorodion> hello
<burlyscudd> omorodion: ohai
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<havenwood> Baluse: Check out this talk on Unicorn by Jesse Storimer: http://www.confreaks.com/videos/1289-rubyconf2012-grow-your-unix-beard-using-ruby
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<havenwood> Baluse: Great introduction to Ruby web servers, in particular Unicorn ^
<havenwood> Baluse: But the first question is which Ruby webserver, they're all different. Unicorn, Thin, Puma, Reel-Rack, Webrick, Passenger, etc.
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<h0rrorvacui> Jessie Storimer's books are great too
<omorodion> hello
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<havenwood> h0rrorvacui: totally agree!
<havenwood> omorodion: hiya
<h0rrorvacui> I think they are some of my favorite programming books of all time
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<h0rrorvacui> Just because they are so minimal
<omorodion> am ok and u
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<havenwood> Baluse: Unicorn (forking), Thin (evented), Puma (threading), Reel-Rack (actors), Webrick (in Ruby stdlib), Passenger (has an Apache and Nginx module option)
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<h0rrorvacui> I imagine since 2.0 is COW safe Unicorn might be more useful no?
<havenwood> Baluse: But you can for example use Rainbows!, which adds threading or evented-io on top of Unicorn. Or run Puma in multiple processes. Etc.
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<havenwood> h0rrorvacui: Well, 2.0 is CoW friendly, but 2.1 isn't. :P
<h0rrorvacui> what really?
<h0rrorvacui> why??
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<h0rrorvacui> I guess I should read the articles on the new GC
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<omorodion> who is wit me
<havenwood> h0rrorvacui: 1.9 was a simple mark and sweep, so the marking was unfriendly to copy on write. 2.0 switched to a bitmap mark and sweep, so the bitmap contained the mark making it CoW friendly. With 2.1 Ruby goes to a more sophisticated generational garbage collector that again isn't CoW friendly.
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<pontiki> what does "grow your unix beard" mean?
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<h0rrorvacui> Yeah I was looking for that
<h0rrorvacui> I saw that on the ruby feeds
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<h0rrorvacui> ty havenwood
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<pontiki> havenwood: ok, unclear what I'm supposed to make of that
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<havenwood> pontiki: So unix hackers are sometimes called n
<havenwood> "neckbeards"
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<omorodion> +2348063124058
<havenwood> pontiki: So growing your unix beard is like leveling up your unix skills.
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<pontiki> i see
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<pontiki> they all want to emulate RMS?
<havenwood> pontiki: that.
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<h0rrorvacui> lol RMS wasn't the first neckbeard
<h0rrorvacui> but that works
<omorodion> omos
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<h0rrorvacui> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Ken_n_dennis.jpg these two are my neckbeard idols
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<shevy> how
<shevy> do
<shevy> you
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<shevy> find
<shevy> these
<shevy> things...
<omorodion> u mean
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<Hanmac> shevy: i was looking in the recent new of the "webcomic section"
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<lnormous> Is there a way to pass options to a module with extend?
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<Hanmac> lnormous: no
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<brianb_> Hello all. Is it possible to implement a method with a syntax similar to Array#[]=? I've tried but it's not going as planed. =)
<brianb_> And by syntax, I guess I mean method signature.
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<Hanmac> brianb_ what did you tryed yet?
<brianb_> def at=(index, value); @some_array[index]=value; end
<brianb_> it's syntactic sugar on my class, but I was surprised to get a syntax error.
<Hanmac> stupid quetion: "why not this?" def []=(index, value);@some_array[index]=value; end
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<canton7> what syntax error? the but you pasted is fine, syntactically
<brianb_> I just preferred how the at method read when used.
<canton7> *bit
<brianb_> Like I said, sugar.
<brianb_> I think I see the problem now...
<brianb_> I've got a reader for this array too. def at(index); @some_array; end
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<brianb_> I think it's trying to use the reader and not the setter.
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<canton7> how are you calling it?
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<brianb_> No, not using the reader. (Just commented it out.) canton7, let me put together a gist. Thanks.
<MrZYX> brianb_: make a gist with full code and error messages you get
<Hanmac> brianb_: at=(val) works, but not at=(index,val) you want to name the method "[]="
<canton7> calling #at=(arg, arg) will give a syntax error, yeah. you'll have to use #send(:'at=', arg, arg) :P
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<brianb_> canton7: here's my gist https://gist.github.com/bbuchalter/7831480
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<brianb_> canton7: of real? so that means []= is special?
<brianb_> on, no I'm not using #at=(arg, arg)
<brianb_> I'm using #at(arg) = arg
<brianb_> but I guess I see how that is different from [arg] = arg
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<canton7> brianb_, so you're calling .at(arg), then trying to assign to that.... and syntax error
<brianb_> which means [] is kind of special
<brianb_> yeah, i can see that now
<brianb_> hmmmmm
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<brianb_> ok, that's clear now. thanks
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<canton7> well, the syntax 'class.method = foo' and 'class.method[3] = foo' are special - they're specifically mapped to the methods '#method=' and '#[]='
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<apeiros> in the case of `class.method[3] = foo`, the []= method is invoked on the result of `class.method`
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<canton7> yeah, I glossed over that :P
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<CorySimmons> Hey guys, I don't understand why this isn't working: Proposal.create(proposal_data: File.read(path))
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<CorySimmons> I'd expect it to read the path I've provided
<CorySimmons> But it doesn't actually write the data to the db
<CorySimmons> (there's string data in 'path' btw)
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<CorySimmons> This works: Proposal.create(proposal_data: YAML.dump(YAML.load(File.read(path)))) (the files are yml)
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<CorySimmons> But I figure since I'm just accessing a file that it's readable right?
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<apeiros> define "not working"
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<CorySimmons> not writing any data to the db
<apeiros> you're leaving out a lot of information
<apeiros> why should it write to the db?
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<CorySimmons> Well, for instance, this works: Proposal.create(proposal_data: YAML.dump(YAML.load(File.read(path))))
<apeiros> *sob*
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<CorySimmons> But when I try to take out the YAML gem stuff and just skip directly to File, it doesn't write to the db like the YAML line above does
<apeiros> I assume your `Proposal` class is an AR model? (this is not #rubyonrails btw.)
<CorySimmons> Sorry, long day..
<CorySimmons> Yes it is.
<CorySimmons> Whoa! #rubyonrails !!
<apeiros> important. tell that next time.
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<CorySimmons> Was going to #rails!
<CorySimmons> thought it was dead
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<apeiros> yeah, #rails is useless.
<CorySimmons> hahah
<CorySimmons> omfg
<apeiros> also not the official channel.
<CorySimmons> Ah, that's so nice.
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<CorySimmons> Thanks. Later guys
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<shevy> MORE CODE
<shevy> code faster! code more!
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<shevy> CorySimmons btw YAML.load_file is easier than YAML.load File.read
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<apeiros> #ruby now has more than twice as many people as #rubyonrails
<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> why the decline in #rubyonrails?
<CorySimmons> shevy: Thanks
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<LiohAu> anybody knows if it is possible with RubyMine to get an autocompletion of external libraries?
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<CorySimmons> Bleh rubyonrails is useless
<CorySimmons> Can I pretend this is a ruby problem? :)
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<apeiros> `YAML.dump(YAML.load_file(path)) == File.read(path)` what does that return?
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<apeiros> also, what queries are emitted by your two different creates?
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<havenwood> Looks like Cory left, but Yaml.load uses $LOAD_PATH and File.read uses Dir.pwd, so not suprizing
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<apeiros> what?
<apeiros> YAML.load uses a plain string, how'd that use $LOAD_PATH? :)
<havenwood> apeiros: i mean it checks for the file to load in $LOAD_PATH
<havenwood> apeiros: Like this works: Psych.load 'coderay'
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<havenwood> apeiros: But this doesn't: File.read 'coderay'
<apeiros> errr, no?
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<apeiros> YAML.load accepts a plain yaml serialized string
<apeiros> that has absolutely nothing to do with $LOAD_PATH
<apeiros> >> require 'yaml'; YAML.load("---\n:a: 1\n")
<eval-in_> apeiros => (https://eval.in/76892)
<havenwood> apeiros: oh, good point - i was conflating
<Hanmac> havenwood: wrong >>> def self.load_file filename; File.open(filename, 'r:bom|utf-8') { |f| self.load f, filename }; end
<apeiros> and YAML.load_file doesn't use $LOAD_PATH either afaik
<apeiros> what's wrong with eval-in? o0
<havenwood> apeiros: I was equivocating between Psych#load and YAML#load, my mistake.
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<apeiros> ok
<Hanmac> apeiros: some stuff in stdlib cant be loaded by evalin ... i need to check that with charlie (i mean i pipe the request)
<postmodern> what was that joke project, that corrected typos on the fly for you using method_missing and Hamming codes?
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<Hanmac> i am still a bit angry that ri cant find YAML.load ...
<postmodern> "let's you be yourself while coding"
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<postmodern> havenwood, yes!
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<shevy> Hanmac ri should die
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<Hanmac> they! ri is not that bad
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<Dreamer3> Radar: what would you use to write the bot these days?
<Dreamer3> you have a ruby lib for IRC you really like?
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<werdnativ> I'm trying ruby 2.1.0dev (2013-11-23 trunk 43807) [x86_64-darwin11.0] with frozen strings:
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<werdnativ> in irb >> "bar"f is a syntax error. Is it a bug?
<havenwood> werdnativ: They've changed the syntax from "bar"f to "bar".freeze
<werdnativ> oh! thanks.
<havenwood> werdnativ: np :)
<werdnativ> I assume that still saves on the object allocation, etc?
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<Dreamer3> "bar"f
<Dreamer3> yuck
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<havenwood> Dreamer3: barf
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<werdnativ> yeah, I didn't like the "X"f syntax much either.
<havenwood> werdnativ: same behavior, nice syntax
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<werdnativ> awesome. So it'll work with ?X.freeze syntax too, because ?Xf wasn't working. :D
<tjbiddle> Ruby's logger doesn't seem to be including stderr, only stdout - is there a way to change this?
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<MrZYX> tjbiddle: like Logger.new(STDERR) ?
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<tjbiddle> MrZYX: No - I believe that would *write* to STDERR, no? I want the out put of a system call to file, but include both it's STDERR and STDOUT output
<tjbiddle> Just realized how redundant that sentence is :p
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<MrZYX> hmm, I guess I'd just 2>&1 in the command to save the hassle of going through stuff like popen
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<werdnativ> Crazy thought: why not make 'single' quoted strings freeze, and "double" quoted strings mutable? Totally backward incompatible, but why not?
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<tjbiddle> MrZYX: Already doing such - Tried with both 2>&1 and 1>&2 in-case my assumptions were incorrect. I'll keep playing around though.
<MrZYX> do you have a minimal example that I could run?
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<MrZYX> werdnativ: because then you can't save that sub microseconds while defining your mutable strings that don't need interpolation ;)
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<tjbiddle> MrZYX: Not particularly - I'm running ` project.logger.info(`dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc 1>&2`) ` currently (project.logger is this: https://gist.github.com/thomasbiddle/9b0c2f55ef5c98d406b6 ) but unless you have a folder structure that dpkg-buildpackage will like that won't get you too far :-)
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<havenwood> werdnativ: " and ' behavior is already distinct, you'd have to choose a new char for the new literal or it'd be a non-starter
<MrZYX> hah, no, I avoid debian packaging :P
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<tjbiddle> MrZYX: Heh :p That's why I wrote an app to make it easier ;) But every time there's an error, I have to shell into the machine and poke around because stderr is being lost - Finally gotten fed up and want to fix it, ha
<werdnativ> havenwood: yeah, I totally get that… just thinking about whether interpolation & mutability *could* be combined, or if they're orthogonal.
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<ElasticElephant> Anyone ever done Test First Ruby?
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<tjbiddle> MrZYX: Ah - I'm just ignorant. 2>&1 was working. What happened was I was monitoring the logs from sidekiq and after I added that - I got nothing, so I figured it was incorrect - But what happened was I wasn't getting anything because now the logger was handling it properly :-)
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<havenwood> ElasticElephant: Yes, many Rubyists espouse Test Driven Development philosophy.
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<havenwood> ElasticElephant: Ruby kinda leads the movement.
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<havenwood> Though i think REPL driven development and hammock driven development are underrated.
<werdnativ> ElasticElephant: http://testfirst.org/learn_ruby ? no, I haven't.
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<ElasticElephant> yeah i needed a bit of help with an exercise thats why i ask
<werdnativ> just ask.
<havenwood> ElasticElephant: Have you checked out the Ruby Koans?: http://rubykoans.com/
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<werdnativ> Also codewars.com has cool exercises with web-based test/code windows.
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<ElasticElephant> yeah ive looked it over,
<ElasticElephant> def add
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<ElasticElephant> add (a,b)
<ElasticElephant> a + b = c
<ElasticElephant> end
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<ElasticElephant> describe "add" do
<ElasticElephant> it "adds 0 and 0" do
<ElasticElephant> add(0,0).should == 0
<ElasticElephant> end
<havenwood> ElasticElephant: You might look at Minitest as a testing framework. Its code is easy to read and both test/spec style options.
<MrZYX> ElasticElephant: > 3 lines should go to gist or similar ;)
<havenwood> ElasticElephant: PS - Paste to Gist.
<werdnativ> ElasticElephant: I see the bug, but what's your question?
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<havenwood> werdnativ: CodeWars was based off my idea, met the founder at a meetup. :)
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<ElasticElephant> i just cant seem to figure out how make the specs pass
<werdnativ> havenwood: nice! I like the platform.
<MrZYX> ElasticElephant: that method should take two method parameters: def add(a, b)
<werdnativ> ElasticElephant: when you run the specs, it gives you an error, right? You should be able to follow that.
<havenwood> werdnativ: They recently offered me a job, but I declined as it was basically Rails grunt work.
<werdnativ> ElasticElephant: what does the error say?
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<ElasticElephant> undefined add method
<havenwood> ElasticElephant: Did you define the method *before* you call it?
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<werdnativ> ElasticElephant: either the method definition has to be in the top of your test file, or else you need to require 'your_exercise_file'
<havenwood> Rails... ╬ಠิ﹏ಠิ
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<IceDragon> havenwood: y the scary face and cross?
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<havenwood> IceDragon: Maybe this better expresses my opinion: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/7387731
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* IceDragon runs that
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<havenwood> IceDragon: hehe
<werdnativ> curses!
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<havenwood> IceDragon: Just not my cup of tea as far as work goes. :)
<IceDragon> lol
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<werdnativ> although this one is by far the second most awesome ever: https://gist.github.com/avit/6004219
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<werdnativ> havenwood: yes, and that would be the first most awesome, by far.
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<havenwood> werdnativ: indeed :O
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<olivier_bK> so good this stuff
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<shevy> ruby has a case when menu
<shevy> how does python deal with multiple input aliases?
<shevy> like: 'history','h'
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<sam113101> I don't understand
<shevy> so you have something like this in ruby:
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<shevy> case gets.chomp
<shevy> when 'history','h'
<shevy> show_history
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<shevy> ok? how does python solve this? as far as I know it has no case menu
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<Hanmac> shevy i have seen something like this in ruby ... i dont need to tell how much wrong this is ;P
<Hanmac> case
<Hanmac> show_history
<Hanmac> when ['history','h'].include?(gets.chomp)
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<Hanmac> and yes its valid ruby ;P
<shevy> yeah, people can write stupid code
<shevy> but I wonder how python tries to solve this more efficiently than ruby
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<sam113101> maybe a dictionary of array and lambdas?
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> that sounds more inconvenient than the ruby solution
<sam113101> array: lambda, you iterate over it and if array has your string, you execute the lambda
<sam113101> yeah
<sam113101> but python is shit
<shevy> hehehe
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> say I have a class in a .rb file
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<shevy> class Foo; end ... in file 'foo.rb'
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<shevy> no additional namespace
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<shevy> can I load this file and put it into a namespace?
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<shevy> like module Bar
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<shevy> at runtime
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<MrZYX> don't think so. Maybe Bar.instance_eval File.read('foo.rb')
<sam113101> module Bar; require 'foo.rb; end
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<shevy> hmm
<MrZYX> that won't do what he wants
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<shevy> let me try that instance_eval thing
<sam113101> are you sure?
<shevy> hmm
<MrZYX> sam113101: yes
<shevy> that instance_eval ... it does not seem to work or perhaps I dont manage to make it work
<MrZYX> no it doesn't, just was a wild idea
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<shevy> I guess ruby must do something additional when requiring a file
<shevy> so that the namespace of said .rb file is known
<MrZYX> you could probably do require 'foo'; Bar.const_set :Foo, Foo; Object.const_remove :Foo
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<MrZYX> require sets the scope/context back to the main object
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<MrZYX> another dirty one would be eval "module Bar; #{File.read('foo.rb')}; end" I guess
<MrZYX> in the end I just wouldn't do any of those
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<MrZYX> actually Bar.class_eval File.read('foo.rb') would work too
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<MrZYX> not less dirty though
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<apeiros> constant lookup would be different in the last two iirc
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<shevy> hmmm
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<shevy> I don't like eval :(
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<MrZYX> yeah
<MrZYX> just stop having weird ideas and you'll never need it!
<MrZYX> :P
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<waxjar> it'd be nice if requiring something in a namespace were possible though. no more dependency conflicts! :D
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